2015-16 Fake Trade Thread

[Braggins]

We are not so talented that we have pieces to give away just to move up for average players. While Winslow is above average he is not a great fit here because he can't shoot either. We should really stay where we are or trade back and pick up multiple pieces.

We have some pieces we can live with giving up and the draft is basically our only way to improve the roster this off-season. It is long overdue that we do something to address our lack of wing shooting. Most people disagree with your take on Hezonja. Some would argue he is the best wing in the draft. I would rather trade up if we find a reasonable then trade back. I am fine with staying at 9, but we shouldn't rule out moving up.

As long as we don't include Kemba, Zeller, Vonleh, MKG, Biz or a future first then fine. If any of that has to go out the price is far to high unless we get to Russell.

Id definitely give up a future 1st with some protection and possibly Zeller in the right deal.

[BeesWax]

We have some pieces we can live with giving up and the draft is basically our only way to improve the roster this off-season. It is long overdue that we do something to address our lack of wing shooting. Most people disagree with your take on Hezonja. Some would argue he is the best wing in the draft. I would rather trade up if we find a reasonable then trade back. I am fine with staying at 9, but we shouldn't rule out moving up.

As long as we don't include Kemba, Zeller, Vonleh, MKG, Biz or a future first then fine. If any of that has to go out the price is far to high unless we get to Russell.

Id definitely give up a future 1st with some protection and possibly Zeller in the right deal.

If that deal lands Russell it is right if it does not it is wrong. Everyone else is so equal across the board no matter who you think the top guy is there is a huge difference between picks and Zeller and whoever you take. I know you think Henoznja is the best wing but if he is it is not by much and definitely not enough to warrant Zeller or a future 1st. Hairston and 9 to move up is as far as I would go for anyone outside of Russell at this point.

[yosemiteben]

As long as we don't include Kemba, Zeller, Vonleh, MKG, Biz or a future first then fine. If any of that has to go out the price is far to high unless we get to Russell.

Id definitely give up a future 1st with some protection and possibly Zeller in the right deal.

If that deal lands Russell it is right if it does not it is wrong. Everyone else is so equal across the board no matter who you think the top guy is there is a huge difference between picks and Zeller and whoever you take. I know you think Henoznja is the best wing but if he is it is not by much and definitely not enough to warrant Zeller or a future 1st. Hairston and 9 to move up is as far as I would go for anyone outside of Russell at this point.

I really like Hezonja but also agree with jdm3 here.

[yosemiteben]

If Sacramento wants WCS that's who they should draft. If they drafted Hezonja to pick him up and hold him ransom for a trade, why wouldn't Denver just draft WCS and do the trade themselves?

Nothing is stopping them, but they'll have to be willing to give up extra value and pass on Winslow, Mudiay, or Porzingis to make that trade. I'm not sure they'd be willing to do that.

Isn't the while trade scenario based on the assumption of them wanting WCS?

[Braggins]

Id definitely give up a future 1st with some protection and possibly Zeller in the right deal.

If that deal lands Russell it is right if it does not it is wrong. Everyone else is so equal across the board no matter who you think the top guy is there is a huge difference between picks and Zeller and whoever you take. I know you think Henoznja is the best wing but if he is it is not by much and definitely not enough to warrant Zeller or a future 1st. Hairston and 9 to move up is as far as I would go for anyone outside of Russell at this point.

I really like Hezonja but also agree with jdm3 here.

Just depends on what else we could get back. I like Zeller but he is far from untradeable imo.

[BeesWax]

If that deal lands Russell it is right if it does not it is wrong. Everyone else is so equal across the board no matter who you think the top guy is there is a huge difference between picks and Zeller and whoever you take. I know you think Henoznja is the best wing but if he is it is not by much and definitely not enough to warrant Zeller or a future 1st. Hairston and 9 to move up is as far as I would go for anyone outside of Russell at this point.

I really like Hezonja but also agree with jdm3 here.

Just depends on what else we could get back. I like Zeller but he is far from untradeable imo.

I agree with that. Trading for the 6th to draft Hezonja who even if you like him is only slightly better than Booker, Johnson or Oubre is not good return. I would trade him for the right return. I saw someone mention Zeller for the 11 and the Indy guys sort of liked it. I would have to consider it. Leaving the draft with Johnson/Prozingus/Booker and Grant/Payne would be huge.

[cl2117]

Someone is going to fall in this draft whether it be Porz, WCS, Mudiay, someone, and I think it may entice another team to offer up a really solid package to trade up. I think we trade our pick on draft night

I hope we do. Fall back a few picks for an underused prospect and a pick. My hope is WCs and get Young and the Celtics pick for 9. Then draft Grant there or Payne if he fell that far.

This would be brilliant but I'm not sure the C's do it.

I'd do #16 and Young to move up to #9. Could add #33 as well. Would that interest Charlotte fans?

[BeesWax]

I hope we do. Fall back a few picks for an underused prospect and a pick. My hope is WCs and get Young and the Celtics pick for 9. Then draft Grant there or Payne if he fell that far.

This would be brilliant but I'm not sure the C's do it.

I'd do #16 and Young to move up to #9. Could add #33 as well. Would that interest Charlotte fans?

I would likely take you up on that offer but some fans would not like to fall back that far.

[cl2117]

This would be brilliant but I'm not sure the C's do it.

I'd do #16 and Young to move up to #9. Could add #33 as well. Would that interest Charlotte fans?

I would likely take you up on that offer but some fans would not like to fall back that far.

I'd take Lance on for a straight TPE as well. I don't know if that makes it worse or better in people's eyes, he seems to have a fairly mercurial relationship with Charlotte fans.

[BeesWax]

I'd do #16 and Young to move up to #9. Could add #33 as well. Would that interest Charlotte fans?

I would likely take you up on that offer but some fans would not like to fall back that far.

I'd take Lance on for a straight TPE as well. I don't know if that makes it worse or better in people's eyes, he seems to have a fairly mercurial relationship with Charlotte fans.

I do not know that it would matter to me but it could sway some fans.

[Braggins]

We have no incentive to trade Lance unless we actually get value back.

[BeesWax]

We have no incentive to trade Lance unless we actually get value back.

I think value is here. 9 and Lance for 16 and Young. I liked Young as a prospect last season and we save cap room and can draft a decent player at 16. If Hendo opts out with this trade we will have some space to make a move.

[Braggins]

We have no incentive to trade Lance unless we actually get value back.

I think value is here. 9 and Lance for 16 and Young. I liked Young as a prospect last season and we save cap room and can draft a decent player at 16. If Hendo opts out with this trade we will have some space to make a move.

How are we not losing value in that exchange? We move back 7 spots and get a player that might not crack our rotation. We gain a small amount of cap room, but not enough to really do anything meaningful to improve our roster. 9 is a pretty good place to be in this draft. We might not get the best fit, but we are very likely to get a high end talent player. We can retool our roster after our young guys after next season anyways, so fit isn't really that much of an issue here.

[Snidely FC]

I'd do #16 and Young to move up to #9. Could add #33 as well. Would that interest Charlotte fans?

I would likely take you up on that offer but some fans would not like to fall back that far.

I'd take Lance on for a straight TPE as well. I don't know if that makes it worse or better in people's eyes, he seems to have a fairly mercurial relationship with Charlotte fans.

I would take this trade.

But just curious, would you do Tyler Zeller + 16 for Lance +9?

[BeesWax]

We have no incentive to trade Lance unless we actually get value back.

I think value is here. 9 and Lance for 16 and Young. I liked Young as a prospect last season and we save cap room and can draft a decent player at 16. If Hendo opts out with this trade we will have some space to make a move.

How are we not losing value in that exchange? We move back 7 spots and get a player that might not crack our rotation. We gain a small amount of cap room, but not enough to really do anything meaningful to improve our roster. 9 is a pretty good place to be in this draft. We might not get the best fit, but we are very likely to get a high end talent player. We can retool our roster after our young guys after next season anyways, so fit isn't really that much of an issue here.

We gain a long SG who has a nice stroke. He shot 43% from 3 when he got regular minutes in the D-league. At 16 we can still get a pretty solid player. With the 7.3M in savings between Young and Lance added to what we get from Hendo opting out we might be able to get in on some mid tier guys. I would want to see who was there at 9 but Young could be as good for us as anyone left and add the 16 and savings and I would say it puts us over the top.

[BeesWax]

I would likely take you up on that offer but some fans would not like to fall back that far.

I'd take Lance on for a straight TPE as well. I don't know if that makes it worse or better in people's eyes, he seems to have a fairly mercurial relationship with Charlotte fans.

I would take this trade.

But just curious, would you do Tyler Zeller + 16 for Lance +9?

Why Zeller over Young? I would rather add a shooter with more left on a rookie deal.

[Snidely FC]

I'd take Lance on for a straight TPE as well. I don't know if that makes it worse or better in people's eyes, he seems to have a fairly mercurial relationship with Charlotte fans.

I would take this trade.

But just curious, would you do Tyler Zeller + 16 for Lance +9?

Why Zeller over Young? I would rather add a shooter with more left on a rookie deal.

Just thinking that at 16 we should still have a choice of whoevers left out of Payne, Booker, Grant, Oubre, Hunter, Dekker, in other words a Guard, but the starter quality bigs will be gone. So get a C and a G out of the deal instead of two Guards.

Also curious as to how valuable Celts fans think Tyler Z is.

[Braggins]

I think value is here. 9 and Lance for 16 and Young. I liked Young as a prospect last season and we save cap room and can draft a decent player at 16. If Hendo opts out with this trade we will have some space to make a move.

How are we not losing value in that exchange? We move back 7 spots and get a player that might not crack our rotation. We gain a small amount of cap room, but not enough to really do anything meaningful to improve our roster. 9 is a pretty good place to be in this draft. We might not get the best fit, but we are very likely to get a high end talent player. We can retool our roster after our young guys after next season anyways, so fit isn't really that much of an issue here.

We gain a long SG who has a nice stroke. He shot 43% from 3 when he got regular minutes in the D-league. At 16 we can still get a pretty solid player. With the 7.3M in savings between Young and Lance added to what we get from Hendo opting out we might be able to get in on some mid tier guys. I would want to see who was there at 9 but Young could be as good for us as anyone left and add the 16 and savings and I would say it puts us over the top.

So, you'll take a loss of value to move back, but are completely unwilling to lose any value to move up...? The 9th pick has the most value of any asset in this deal and its more valuable than Zeller. Would you trade Zeller to dump Lance? Moving back to dump Lance would be a seriously unfortunate treadmill move at best.

[BeesWax]

I would take this trade.

But just curious, would you do Tyler Zeller + 16 for Lance +9?

Why Zeller over Young? I would rather add a shooter with more left on a rookie deal.

Just thinking that at 16 we should still have a choice of whoevers left out of Payne, Booker, Grant, Oubre, Hunter, Dekker, in other words a Guard, but the starter quality bigs will be gone. So get a C and a G out of the deal instead of two Guards.

Also curious as to how valuable Celts fans think Tyler Z is.

Interesting thought. I was hoping for a backup PG and a wing in the deal but I see your angle. Now if we brought in Zeller and resigned Biz we could have a decent young center pairing next to Cody and Noah at PF.

[cl2117]

I'd take Lance on for a straight TPE as well. I don't know if that makes it worse or better in people's eyes, he seems to have a fairly mercurial relationship with Charlotte fans.

I would take this trade.

But just curious, would you do Tyler Zeller + 16 for Lance +9?

Why Zeller over Young? I would rather add a shooter with more left on a rookie deal.

I'd actually rather do Zeller because I think Young is the more valuable piece, but I'd do either. I don't think Zeller is ever going to be a starter, but he's a decent rotation big (particularly offensively). Young though I think has some real potential. He didn't show anything last year really, but he's so young and has such a sweet shooting stroke, I think once he settles in at the NBA level he could be dangerous. Has a long way to go though.