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Post#381 » by yosemiteben » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:33 am

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:It's not so much about Al as it is about Cliff being from the Thib's school of thought about defensive rebounding. Cliff could have a team of fast break specialists and he would still prioritize getting those defensive boards. He gives up some fast break points to do that, but feels that the trade off is worth it.

Honestly I suspect that his way is probably the "correct" way to do it if you run the odds, but both players and fans like the fast break a lot more.

Agreed. It's not like you need your center involved on your fast break, it's more about what you choose to do with your backcourt. We force them into the paint to rebound.
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Post#382 » by Eoghan » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:35 am

BigSlam wrote:The biggest shame about the Lin signing is that Biyombo doesn't get to play with him.

Kemba is such a terrible P&R point guard and no one set better screens on our roster than Biyombo. I bet he would have got some great looks setting those hard picks, rolling strong to the basket and exploding to the rim in motion (like he finally started doing) playing with Lin.

Maybe MKG will benefit a little playing with a competent P&R point guard? It would do wonders for him if he could get 4-8 easy points a game playing with Lin. I'd love to see MKG setting some picks and rolling this season.

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Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:It's not so much about Al as it is about Cliff being from the Thib's school of thought about defensive rebounding. Cliff could have a team of fast break specialists and he would still prioritize getting those defensive boards. He gives up some fast break points to do that, but feels that the trade off is worth it.

Honestly I suspect that his way is probably the "correct" way to do it if you run the odds, but both players and fans like the fast break a lot more.
It's a safe way to play but it doesn't do much for your championship chances IMO. When the going gets tough, the safe get going (home), I could say. I have no idea if Cliff can actually coach a roster of competent players or not. His poor ball movement and bad passing just seems so endemic to his coaching that I'm not sure a roster full of shooters and savvy players can overcome it unless they just ignore his schemes.

I do think that Lin fans have nothing to worry about in terms of MPG for their idol. Between Cliff's love of two PG lineups and #SPACING, Lin should see plenty of burn. Zeller and Kaminsky aren't great P&R mates but as long as there are enough shooters at the 2, 3, and 4/5 to keep defenses from packing the lane, they're both good enough to finish or draw a foul. Zelminsky have good touch and some ability to score 1v1 on the roll, Kaminsky can pop out, Zeller can surprise dunk on people, etc. Al and Lin will be a tragedy though, Al can't set a hard screen to save his damn life and can't move his flubber out of the way of slashers.
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Post#383 » by kastuul » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:39 am

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Re: Welcome to Charlotte Jeremy Lin 

Post#384 » by amcoolio » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:44 am

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amcoolio wrote:Players who don't fit now though and are dead money: Marvin Williams, Brian Roberts, PJ Hairston.

Ha! The entire 2014 offseason minus the castaways. Lol. That was a pitiful offseason for how much money we had. Over 20 mil in cap space and two 1st rounders. Smh



That disaster of an offseason (one that saw a 44 win up and coming playoff team go back to 32 or whatever wins and lose all momentum):

Draft:
Noah Vonleh
PJ Hairson

Free Agency:
Lance Stephenson
Marvin Williams
Brian Roberts
Jason Maxiell

All of which are either gone or won't be in the rotation. Thats the #9th and #24th picks, and 20 million in cap space.
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Post#385 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:10 am

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BigSlam wrote:The biggest shame about the Lin signing is that Biyombo doesn't get to play with him.

Kemba is such a terrible P&R point guard and no one set better screens on our roster than Biyombo. I bet he would have got some great looks setting those hard picks, rolling strong to the basket and exploding to the rim in motion (like he finally started doing) playing with Lin.

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Post#386 » by Eoghan » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:13 am

Those brick hands caught Lance's passes just fine. You know, b/c he can actually pass instead of zipping balls at people's feet like a certain UConn guard.
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Post#387 » by dmize » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:16 am

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Flip Murray wrote:great freaking signing at that price. Got a feeling we're going to be adding a few Jeremy Lin fanboys to the board. Will be interesting seeing them argue with the Kemba kids.


Kemba always DESTROYS Lin when they face eachother. Its not as close as people think it is. He is worlds better than Roberts thought this was a great signing im really happy.


They only faced each other once in the past couple of years as starters.

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Walker 7-11 17pts 4 assists 3 rebounds 2 steals
Lin 8-12 21pts 7 assists 3 rebounds 1 steal


There's Kemba's game vs the Rockets a couple seasons back. Lin didn't start but did guard him a fair amount:
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Post#388 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:18 am

BrotherDave wrote:Those brick hands caught Lance's passes just fine. You know, b/c he can actually pass instead of zipping balls at people's feet like a certain UConn guard.


Biyombo dropped plenty of Stephenson's passes too. Stephenson just happened to be so turnover prone elsewhere that it didn't hurt him to give Biyombo a whiff at it too. Indeed Stephenson was one of the few players that entrusted Biyombo's hands and Biyombo made a fair share of plays off those passes, but he still struggled in that aspect regardless of who threw him the ball
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Post#389 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:31 am

I also love the contradiction of people acting like the offense ran better with Stephenson passing to Biyombo rather than Kemba too. Just because somebody was dumb enough to keep passing Biyombo the ball for a occasional finish which is rare for him doesn't mean that it was effective. The numbers don't lie...

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Post#390 » by 13th Man » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:06 am

Please excuse me for the quick advertisement here, this is for Lin fans. I've created an appreciation thread on Lakersground.net if you guys get a chance to pop by there and leave a quick note, that'd be awesome. Thanks!
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Post#391 » by spaceballer » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:07 am

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Post#392 » by spaceballer » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:35 am

BigSlam wrote:The biggest shame about the Lin signing is that Biyombo doesn't get to play with him.

Kemba is such a terrible P&R point guard and no one set better screens on our roster than Biyombo. I bet he would have got some great looks setting those hard picks, rolling strong to the basket and exploding to the rim in motion (like he finally started doing) playing with Lin.

Maybe MKG will benefit a little playing with a competent P&R point guard? It would do wonders for him if he could get 4-8 easy points a game playing with Lin. I'd love to see MKG setting some picks and rolling this season.


For the UCONN fans on the board, here's an old article with the UCONN assistant coach who said he tried to teach Kemba to be as good as Harvard's Lin, because Harvard's Lin understood the P&R in a way that UCONN's Kemba hadn't grasped yet, and how Lin's pick and roll game tore UCONN's defense apart over and over again. UCONN eventually won the game because they had more talented players on their team (3 guys, Dyson, Robinson, Walker) than Ivy League Harvard (just 1 guy, Lin), but no one on their team could stop Lin's P&R.

NYTimes wrote:When Sellers was an assistant at Connecticut, he had tried to teach the same concept to Kemba Walker, then a sophomore and still too fast for his own good. Then, on an early December afternoon in 2009, Sellers saw the pick-and-roll run to perfection, again and again, by a relatively unknown Harvard guard named Jeremy Lin.

Sellers marveled at how Lin, Harvard’s senior point guard, ignored the Huskies’ pressure and controlled the pace of the game by controlling his own speed. It was a trait, Sellers said, he wanted for Walker and one that had been mastered by Chris Paul and Steve Nash.

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Connecticut’s best lockdown defender, the athletic senior Jerome Dyson, was assigned to pressure Lin and deny him the ball. But Dyson underestimated him. By the end of the game, Lin had 30 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 steals, and helped keep Harvard close during a 79-73 loss to the 13th-ranked Huskies.

Lin drove. He dished. He even dunked — twice.

“Get up on him close, because he’s got a great jump shot, but then, if you get up on him too close, he’s going to go by you,” Stanley Robinson, a forward for that UConn team, said he remembered about defending Lin. He added, “He just couldn’t be contained, that’s all.”

Lin’s instincts and seasoned patience were best suited for the pick-and-roll. With 10 seconds left on the shot clock, Lin would routinely call for a screen. He would then pace himself while evaluating the situation, and rarely would he choose the wrong napping defender to pick on.

“He just somehow sneaks in between the two defenders, splits it, and it’s a four-on-three game,” said Pat Magnarelli, a reserve forward who lived with Lin for three years at Harvard and who often set those screens for Lin. He added, “Once he gets past the screener and he has a step, it’s basically over.”

Sellers said: “He lets the defense make their mistake, then he can figure out in a split second what to do. That’s what Jeremy’s great at.”

In the lane, Lin took advantage of UConn’s young and often out-of-position big men.

“We really try to funnel things to our shot blockers,” Sellers said. “And he’s so scrappy and he’s so savvy, he can get in there and he can jump up and take the contact and float the ball over them, or he could stop and pull up before he got to the shot blocker.”

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In what Magnarelli called a rare occurrence, Lin started finishing layups on the opposite side of the rim — now a familiar sight for Knicks fans — to avoid UConn’s lengthy extra defenders “looking for the highlight block.” Lin scored all of Harvard’s 11 points in the final 1 minute 39 seconds to provide drama, but UConn’s talent proved to be too much; Dyson, Walker and Robinson combined for 62 points.

But with less than 20 seconds left, Lin dribbled the length of the court, outran Dyson and dunked with both hands. Robinson, 6 feet 9 inches and athletic, was under the basket when it happened.

“I moved,” Robinson said sheepishly. “I had to.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/sports/ncaabasketball/coach-uses-lin-as-model-for-teaching-pick-and-roll.html


With Kemba and Lin on the same team now, they can help each other.
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Post#393 » by RealHusky » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:40 am

Some guy did some analysis on Jeremy Lin's games last year with the Lakers. I think you guys will find these data interesting.


So, on a whim, I decided to input Lin's stats onto a spreadsheet for his 2014-2015 season with the Lakers. However, I only put data for when his minutes was greater than 28 minutes. Out of those 28 games, he was averaging 31.5 minutes per game, his FG was 44%, 3P was 43%, FT was 77%, 3.3 REB, 6.2 AST, 0.3 BLK, 1.5 STL, 3 TO, 15 PTS. Now, if I excluded the games where Kobe Bryant was also playing, (he played 13 games without Kobe playing, while playing at least 29 minutes), he was averaging 30.3 minutes per game, his FG was 45%, 3P was 48%, FT was 80%, 3.6 REB, 6.5 AST, 0.3 BLK, 1.8 STL, 2 TO, 17 PTS. That would put him tied at 8th best FG% for PG's alongside John Wall. That would put him 1st in 3P%, even better than Stephen Curry, who shot 44% from the arc and sits at the #1 spot for PG's. That would put him tied at 11th for Assists with Elfrid Payton for PG's. That would put him at 4th best in Steals, ahead of John Wall, who had 1.75 Steals per Game. That would put him tied at 9th for Points with Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight. Those are some pretty good numbers!


Bottom line, Hornets got a steal in Lin. If given the minutes without a ball hog on the court, I think he will perform very well here.
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Post#394 » by spaceballer » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:50 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Those brick hands caught Lance's passes just fine. You know, b/c he can actually pass instead of zipping balls at people's feet like a certain UConn guard.


Biyombo dropped plenty of Stephenson's passes too. Stephenson just happened to be so turnover prone elsewhere that it didn't hurt him to give Biyombo a whiff at it too. Indeed Stephenson was one of the few players that entrusted Biyombo's hands and Biyombo made a fair share of plays off those passes, but he still struggled in that aspect regardless of who threw him the ball


Doesn't matter. Asik was notorious for his "stone hands" with both the Bulls and Rockets. He was great at getting rebounds and passing out, but he was terrible at catching passes and had little offensive game. He caused the ball-handlers on the team, whether it was Lin or Harden, to routinely have to eat 1 or 2 turnovers a game due to Asik's stone hands dropping their passes. They kept feeding him in the hopes that he would develop, investing in the bigger role he was getting from his Bulls bench days, so they had to eat the turnovers caused by Asik's stone hands.

Yet, despite Asik's stone hands, he turned into a double double machine from being fed by Lin on P&R's.

If Lin could turn stone hands Asik into scoring double digits, despite the fact that Harden and Lin had to average a couple of turnovers every single game as a result of Asik dropping their passes, I'm sure Lin could have done the same to increase Biyombo's scoring by feeding him in P&R's.

Stone hands Asik or Brick Hands Biyombo makes no difference. If they can run the P&R, they'll get fed.
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Post#395 » by Kaorto » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:57 am

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Post#396 » by RollingWave » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:11 am

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EwingSweatsALot wrote:I'm still lost on why he took so little money. Extremely happy, but confused.


I'm pretty sure Lin has huge endorsement deals in Asia.

Money doesn't seem to be his main concern.


There is a little bit of that, he does make like 4-5 mill a year off adverstisement so the difference between a couple M isn't devastating for him as others.

But still, there needs to be good reasons for anyone to leave millions on the table, as far as we can hear that reason seems primarily to be Steve Clifford's visit to him.

There's no realistic reason why Lin couldn't have gotten at least a couple millions more if that was the objective. It seems to me that he genuinely wants to be in this situation and as far as i'm concerned whether your his fan or the Hornet's fan that's the best news to hear.


Looking at the Hornet's roster, it seems like Zeller would be the only guy who could realistically be a good roll man option , though Al Jefferson can be too to some extend (his pop game is more of a threat.) I think ultimately the main concern is that Zeller and MKG needs to improve their jump shot range even further, I'm a little baffled to why the team never let Zeller shoot 3s last year. I think he obviously have range to be a passable 3 point shooter at worst from pretty much anywhere, while MKG last year look like he has a chance of being a decent corner 3 shooter.

I'm guessing Batum might be first to the bench because he has some injury concerns. granted I personally hope it's actually Jefferson and they just slid everyone down a spot and add Lin . The Hornets were actually at their best playing small with Zeller at the 5 last year I think.
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Post#397 » by Eoghan » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:11 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:I also love the contradiction of people acting like the offense ran better with Stephenson passing to Biyombo rather than Kemba too. Just because somebody was dumb enough to keep passing Biyombo the ball for a occasional finish which is rare for him doesn't mean that it was effective. The numbers don't lie...

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Stephenson-Biyombo: 93.9 OffRtg
Kemba-Biyombo: 96.1 OffRtg

Yeah, I don't think anyone said that. When did Stephenson run the offense? Cut Biz some slack, last year was the first year in his NBA career that he had a teammate that not only looked for him on offense but also passed it to him above his knees. Biz had a lot of shock to recover from.

I hope Lin takes the starting job from Kemba.

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Post#398 » by Braggins » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:42 am

I think Kemba will do better in the pick and roll with Frank and Hawes. Hes had success in the past in the pnr game. He definitely did ignore Biz unnecessarily though. That really annoyed me last season, especially since Biz was starting to catch passes quite a bit better.

I also think Kemba is sold too hard on Cliff's low turnover philosophy. He has virtually completely stopped throwing lobs of almost any kind. Hes never been Chris Paul or anything but he also was never especially shy about throwing lobs and oops.
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Post#399 » by ChokeFasncists » Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:37 am

RealHusky wrote:Some guy did some analysis on Jeremy Lin's games last year with the Lakers. I think you guys will find these data interesting.


So, on a whim, I decided to input Lin's stats onto a spreadsheet for his 2014-2015 season with the Lakers. However, I only put data for when his minutes was greater than 28 minutes. Out of those 28 games, he was averaging 31.5 minutes per game, his FG was 44%, 3P was 43%, FT was 77%, 3.3 REB, 6.2 AST, 0.3 BLK, 1.5 STL, 3 TO, 15 PTS. Now, if I excluded the games where Kobe Bryant was also playing, (he played 13 games without Kobe playing, while playing at least 29 minutes), he was averaging 30.3 minutes per game, his FG was 45%, 3P was 48%, FT was 80%, 3.6 REB, 6.5 AST, 0.3 BLK, 1.8 STL, 2 TO, 17 PTS. That would put him tied at 8th best FG% for PG's alongside John Wall. That would put him 1st in 3P%, even better than Stephen Curry, who shot 44% from the arc and sits at the #1 spot for PG's. That would put him tied at 11th for Assists with Elfrid Payton for PG's. That would put him at 4th best in Steals, ahead of John Wall, who had 1.75 Steals per Game. That would put him tied at 9th for Points with Eric Bledsoe and Brandon Knight. Those are some pretty good numbers!


Bottom line, Hornets got a steal in Lin. If given the minutes without a ball hog on the court, I think he will perform very well here.

Seems like he needs to find a better balance between constancy and consistency! 8-)
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Post#400 » by ChokeFasncists » Fri Jul 10, 2015 7:50 am

Braggins wrote:I also think Kemba is sold too hard on Cliff's low turnover philosophy. He has virtually completely stopped throwing lobs of almost any kind. Hes never been Chris Paul or anything but he also was never especially shy about throwing lobs and oops.

Wow, is Lin trying to shore up his D and TOs? Bootcamping himself?
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