Gonna Fly Now - the Jeff Adrien Thread

Post #41 » by **Diop** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:30 pm

If they were better rebounders this wouldn't have happened.

Kembastockton · Post #42 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:35 pm

And this 6'6 d league superhero that we have already cut once is going to come in and be the answer to all our problems.

Post #43 » by **Diop** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:57 pm

who's saying that? he is a rebounder that we don't have.

I think its cool we are trying out new players, most of us were screaming for it last year.
Now we are doing it, its not a massive move, but its a hell of a lot more interesting than sitting around doing nothing.

Kembastockton · Post #44 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:03 pm

Sachmo wrote:who's saying that? he is a rebounder that we don't have.

I think its cool we are trying out new players, most of us were screaming for it last year.
Now we are doing it, its not a massive move, but its a hell of a lot more interesting than sitting around doing nothing.

I still miss your avatar.

He is not a new player. We already cut him once. I am not opposed to his signing. I am just surprised at the level of optimism you guys are showing. I hope he lives up to it. I love it when one of our players surprises me to the good.

HornetJail · Post #45 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:20 pm

He's 6'7 with a 7'2 wingspan.

Not as undersized as I though, but still undersized. I like the pickup because he is a proven rebounder and he averages 11/11 per 36.

e4Nf6 · Post #46 » by **e4Nf6** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:02 pm

countryboi wrote:
The days of 6'6 rebounders are dead..I would rather we sign a 6'11 guy the a similar skill set but i will cheer for him all the same.

The greatest rebounder of all time was 6'7.

Reggie Evans is 6'8.

catch20two · Post #47 » by **catch20two** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:10 pm

e4Nf6 wrote:
countryboi wrote:
The days of 6'6 rebounders are dead..I would rather we sign a 6'11 guy the a similar skill set but i will cheer for him all the same.

The greatest rebounder of all time was 6'7.

Reggie Evans is 6'8.

Be careful before they start thinking that you're comparing Adrien to Rodman just because you're saying that his height doesn't hinder his rebounding ability

SWedd523 · Post #48 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:12 pm

e4Nf6 wrote:
countryboi wrote:
The days of 6'6 rebounders are dead..I would rather we sign a 6'11 guy the a similar skill set but i will cheer for him all the same.

The greatest rebounder of all time was 6'7.

Reggie Evans is 6'8.

Faried and Millsap (if you consider him such) are the only short guys in the top 20 for rebounding.

At any rate, unless Adrien turns into Rodman, which won't happen, we won't see him fix our rebounding issues because he won't be getting more than 5-10 minutes a night

MPM · Post #49 » by **MPM** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:08 pm

Tiresome speculation - he's going to suck, he's going to be great. groan.

What I know now is that he will be better than Cory Higgins, fills a need, and is a positive sign that we are willing to explore gambling on D-League talent with our end of the bench roster spots in the hopes of finding a Chris Andersen, or Matt Barnes, or Chuck Hayes, etc. Fact is, that there are guys that go on to long NBA careers from D league call ups. Sure, there aren't many, but you don't win if you don't play the game. I don't know how anyone can pout about this move.

Kembastockton · Post #50 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:10 pm

e4Nf6 wrote:
countryboi wrote:
The days of 6'6 rebounders are dead..I would rather we sign a 6'11 guy the a similar skill set but i will cheer for him all the same.

The greatest rebounder of all time was 6'7.

Reggie Evans is 6'8.

catch20two wrote:
e4Nf6 wrote:
countryboi wrote:
The days of 6'6 rebounders are dead..I would rather we sign a 6'11 guy the a similar skill set but i will cheer for him all the same.

The greatest rebounder of all time was 6'7.

Reggie Evans is 6'8.

Be careful before they start thinking that you're comparing Adrien to Rodman just because you're saying that his height doesn't hinder his rebounding ability

What? Are you guys like 12? Rodman was not the greatest rebounder ever. He is somewhere like 11 or 12 on the list though. The greatest rebounder ever was a young man named Wilt. Maybe you have heard of him. He was 7'1. This young man averaged an unbelievable 22 rebounds per game FOR HIS CAREER!

SWedd523 · Post #51 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:14 pm

MountBiyombo wrote:What? Are you guys like 12? Rodman was not the greatest rebounder ever. He is somewhere like 11 or 12 on the list though. The greatest rebounder ever was a young man named Wilt. Maybe you have heard of him. He was 7'1. This young man averaged an unbelievable 22 rebounds per game FOR HIS CAREER!

The greatest rebounder of all time, without a shadow of a doubt, is Dennis Rodman

http://www.basketball-reference.com/lea ... eason.html

Kembastockton · Post #52 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:31 pm

Did you per chance notice all of the no names ahead of Wilt on that list? Danny Fortson, Jayson Williams, Joel Przbylla, Ron Tarpley, Dan Gadzuric? And that is just to name a few. Are you really going to tell me that you believe that any of those clowns were better rebounders than Wilt Chamberlain? Like I said 22 rebounds per game for his career.

Heck there are practically no hall of fame big men at all at the top of your list. Most of the lists are guys who were good, but not stars.

SWedd523 · Post #53 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:07 pm

MountBiyombo wrote:Did you per chance notice all of the no names ahead of Wilt on that list? Danny Fortson, Jayson Williams, Joel Przbylla, Ron Tarpley, Dan Gadzuric? And that is just to name a few. Are you really going to tell me that you believe that any of those clowns were better rebounders than Wilt Chamberlain? Like I said 22 rebounds per game for his career.

Heck there are practically no hall of fame big men at all at the top of your list. Most of the lists are guys who were good, but not stars.

Those guys had high % seasons with smaller sample sizes so their numbers don't carry as much weight.

However, did you per chance notice that Rodman occupies spots #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, and #7 on that list? That isn't any statistical anomaly. Chamberlain also had a season where he finished second in the league with 8.6 assists per game. Does that make him an elite PG? Hardly.

Chamberlain played in an era when there were eight teams his first year in the league and only seventeen in his last year.

During Chamberlain's 14 year career, there were 69 individual seasons of 15+ RPG
There have only been 4 individual seasons of 15+ RPG in the last 14 years

It''s simple: The league is completely different now than it was in Chamberlain's era. I hope that would be obvious considering Chamberlain had a year where he averaged over 50 points.

Rodman's rebounding exploits were more era-related impressive than Chamberlain's.

Kembastockton · Post #54 » by **Kembastockton** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:26 pm

These are the only two rebounding lists I care about. Everything else is just guess work.

1. Wilt Chamberlain 23,924 22.9
2. Bill Russell 21,620 22.5
3. Bob Pettit 12,849 16.2
4. Jerry Lucas 12,942 15.6
5. Nate Thurmond 14,464 15.0
6. Wes Unseld 13,769 14.0
7. Walt Bellamy 14,241 13.7
8. Dave Cowens 10,444 13.6
9. Elgin Baylor 11,463 13.5
10. George Mikan 4,167 13.4
11. Dennis Rodman 11,954 13.1
12. Dwight Howard 8,318 13.0
13. Willis Reed 8,414 12.9
14. Gus Johnson 7,379 12.7
15. Elvin Hayes 16,279 12.5
16. Moses Malone 16,212 12.2
17. Dolph Schayes 11,256 12.1
18. Bill Bridges 11,054 11.9
18. Harry Gallatin 6,684 11.9
20. Charles Barkley 12,546 11.7

Oh.. and your assist comment was just silly. It did not at all relate to what we were discussing. I don't even know how that even came to your mind to say.

expo · Post #55 » by **expo** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:35 pm

What he lacks is his height(i think he's just under 6'6") and he doesn't have the superb athleticism to make up for that difference though he has a nice wingspan; that being said if he had been 2 inches taller i think he would have stuck around in the nba from the beginning because in college he was a rock solid double double guy. It's hard to teach a nose for the ball, which he has, and there's the saying, 'you don't rebound with your neck'. So i'm cautiously optimistic

amcoolio · Post #56 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:36 pm

Wilt was great and all but he played in an era where most nights he'd be going up against a team with no one above 6'8".

SWedd523 · Post #57 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:43 pm

MountBiyombo wrote:Oh.. and your assist comment was just silly. It did not at all relate to what we were discussing. I don't even know how that even came to your mind to say.

Not really. It was indicative of how unreliable statistics are from his era.

Again. He had a year where he was second in the league in assists and had a year where he averaged over 50 points per game.

His time is clearly different than the current one and those numbers have to be taken with a huge grain of salt because the game is vastly different now than it was then. You're being awfully simple to use the raw numbers from ~50 years ago to make a statement about rebounding ability.

HornetJail · Post #58 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:50 pm

You can't compare anyone to Wilt's career. We all know he was huge and hyper-athletic, even by today's standards, but there was literally no competition. It's like Lebron or Durant or prime Shaq playing in the D-League. Raw numbers from that era mean almost nothing.

amcoolio · Post #59 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:51 pm

I think if you put Emeka Okafor in Wilt's time period he'd be a NBA hall of famer. averaging 30/20/8 for 7 straight seasons

JT2006 · Post #60 » by **JT2006** » Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:14 am

amcoolio wrote:I think if you put Emeka Okafor in Wilt's time period he'd be a NBA hall of famer. averaging 30/20/8 for 7 straight seasons

No, that's probably completely false.