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#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

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Re: The Brickhands Biyombo Thread 2.0 

Post#41 » by fatlever » Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:22 pm



i wish bonnell or the coaches (like silas who was there last year) could give us some more tangible examples of his progress other than raising FT % from 48 to 55.

made up examples:

the bobcats have a drill where players shoot 5 shots from 5 different spots in the floor. last year biz usually scored 4-5 out of 25. this year he routinely scores 10-12 out of 25.

biz has increased his (insert weight lift here) from ___ to ____ in the past year.

during pre-draft workouts it took biz 14 seconds to dribble through the cone course, but now he can finish in 11 seconds.

in a recent intrasquad scrimmage biz scored 20pts. he never scored over 14 last year.

biz made 4 three-pointers in a row last week in practice. i dont think he made a single three all last year in practice other than the one time he made a lucky halfcourt shot to avoid buying the team donuts.
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Re: The Brickhands Biyombo Thread 2.0 

Post#42 » by MPM » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:48 pm

fatlever wrote:


i wish bonnell or the coaches (like silas who was there last year) could give us some more tangible examples of his progress other than raising FT % from 48 to 55.

made up examples:

the bobcats have a drill where players shoot 5 shots from 5 different spots in the floor. last year biz usually scored 4-5 out of 25. this year he routinely scores 10-12 out of 25.

biz has increased his (insert weight lift here) from ___ to ____ in the past year.

during pre-draft workouts it took biz 14 seconds to dribble through the cone course, but now he can finish in 11 seconds.

in a recent intrasquad scrimmage biz scored 20pts. he never scored over 14 last year.

biz made 4 three-pointers in a row last week in practice. i dont think he made a single three all last year in practice other than the one time he made a lucky halfcourt shot to avoid buying the team donuts.


Fats - this would require a dose of journalistic effort. Why should Bonnell do that when he can base stories on a quick scan of the stats on ESPN?
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Post#43 » by ohara » Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:22 am

Love how his game is progressing. He'll be fine.
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Post#44 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:52 am

ohara wrote:Love how his game is progressing. He'll be fine.


Im to the point where I firmly believe he can be a PF by the time the 2014 season turns around if we were to draft a Nerlens Noel. Those two together in the paint with MKG would be devastating defensively.

Offensively, well, we dont get much from our PFs currently on the offensive end anyway so oh well.
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Post#45 » by TheKingofSting » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:52 am

Keep it up young man! :clap:
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Re: The Brickhands Biyombo Thread 2.0 

Post#46 » by fatlever » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:53 am

biz making a case for a thread change - pumice hands biyombo? he can work his way up from there. when he gets to dirtclold hands biyombo then we know he has arrived for good.
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Post#47 » by Elden Payton » Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:09 am

Kemba2Hendo wrote:Keep it up young man! :clap:
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Post#48 » by KembaWalker » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:16 am

Maybe one day the guys will have enough confidence in him to pass when he's posting up Jameer
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Post#49 » by Nanogeek » Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:30 pm

Bassman wrote:I just want to know what happens next season if Biz hasn't crossed the "Larry Sanders" line next year? What are the excuses then?

I've heard this stuff for 2 years now about Biz. This is like listening to Cubs fans talk about how much better things will be next year.

I hope he's better, and I hope he surprises me by becoming a LOT better. I just don't think he will emerge as a legit starter in this league.


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Post#50 » by Eoghan » Fri Mar 29, 2013 7:05 pm

If Biz crosses the Larry Sanders line next year then he'll be extremely head of the curve and all you Biz haters should eat crow the entire year. Paul Silas thought Biz was 4-5 years from being an NBA player and personally I think we'll more or less know how good Biz can be during year 4 but I'm optimistic that he'll make a noticeable jump next year because besides what you box score stat nerds can tell, Biz has made some remarkable progress as a Bobcat since day one. Maybe not a Larry Sanders type jump (yet) but definitely a "Hmm, maybe he isn't a bust after all" kind of jump.

"But why does Biz get extra time and Sanders doesn't, you're moving the goal posts" you say? Bismack was a bigger project than your typical American born and bred big man. He didn't go to college, he didn't have high-level coaching until practically the NBA, and he's younger than most college players. I'm sorry that some of you are impatient and want instant feedback but some things you just have to wait on.
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Post#51 » by HornetJail » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:25 pm

BrotherDave wrote:If Biz crosses the Larry Sanders line next year then he'll be extremely head of the curve and all you Biz haters should eat crow the entire year. Paul Silas thought Biz was 4-5 years from being an NBA player and personally I think we'll more or less know how good Biz can be during year 4 but I'm optimistic that he'll make a noticeable jump next year because besides what you box score stat nerds can tell, Biz has made some remarkable progress as a Bobcat since day one. Maybe not a Larry Sanders type jump (yet) but definitely a "Hmm, maybe he isn't a bust after all" kind of jump.

"But why does Biz get extra time and Sanders doesn't, you're moving the goal posts" you say? Bismack was a bigger project than your typical American born and bred big man. He didn't go to college, he didn't have high-level coaching until practically the NBA, and he's younger than most college players. I'm sorry that some of you are impatient and want instant feedback but some things you just have to wait on.

Agreed. If he crosses that line while on his rookie contract I'll be surprised.
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Post#52 » by Elden Payton » Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:18 am

BrotherDave wrote:If Biz crosses the Larry Sanders line next year then he'll be extremely head of the curve and all you Biz haters should eat crow the entire year. Paul Silas thought Biz was 4-5 years from being an NBA player and personally I think we'll more or less know how good Biz can be during year 4 but I'm optimistic that he'll make a noticeable jump next year because besides what you box score stat nerds can tell, Biz has made some remarkable progress as a Bobcat since day one. Maybe not a Larry Sanders type jump (yet) but definitely a "Hmm, maybe he isn't a bust after all" kind of jump.

"But why does Biz get extra time and Sanders doesn't, you're moving the goal posts" you say? Bismack was a bigger project than your typical American born and bred big man. He didn't go to college, he didn't have high-level coaching until practically the NBA, and he's younger than most college players. I'm sorry that some of you are impatient and want instant feedback but some things you just have to wait on.


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Post#53 » by Nanogeek » Wed Apr 3, 2013 2:53 am

BrotherDave wrote:If Biz crosses the Larry Sanders line next year then he'll be extremely head of the curve and all you Biz haters should eat crow the entire year. Paul Silas thought Biz was 4-5 years from being an NBA player and personally I think we'll more or less know how good Biz can be during year 4 but I'm optimistic that he'll make a noticeable jump next year because besides what you box score stat nerds can tell, Biz has made some remarkable progress as a Bobcat since day one. Maybe not a Larry Sanders type jump (yet) but definitely a "Hmm, maybe he isn't a bust after all" kind of jump.

"But why does Biz get extra time and Sanders doesn't, you're moving the goal posts" you say? Bismack was a bigger project than your typical American born and bred big man. He didn't go to college, he didn't have high-level coaching until practically the NBA, and he's younger than most college players. I'm sorry that some of you are impatient and want instant feedback but some things you just have to wait on.


To summarize this post - "wait until next year!!" We heard similar refrains about Ajinca and Morrison. We're still waiting.

I've attended almost every Bobcats home game this year.. Biyombo is still terrible. He's less terrible than he was last year though. I've already set forth the case in the prior thread that Biyombo has to break out next year. He is horrific on offense and always will be. He needs to pay his way with defense and he is just not good enough yet on defense to justify keeping him on the floor given how fantastically bad he is on offense. Next season is it. If he doesn't break out then it's over. Show me one other player that sucked as bad as Biyombo for three seasons and then became a defensive all-star. Wallace did it after two seasons. Sanders after two seasons. And don't bother with the "but he's young", "but he didn't even see his first basketball until he was 18", "but his rookie season was a partial season", etc. The fact that you have to come up with lots of excuses is telling of the plight we're in with Biyombo.
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Post#54 » by vorbis » Wed Apr 3, 2013 3:03 am

no, it's telling of the fact that biyombo is a unique case. you keep saying the same thing while not adding anything to your original points. not sure why you feel the need to do that.
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Post#55 » by thruthefire » Wed Apr 3, 2013 3:20 am

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BrotherDave wrote:If Biz crosses the Larry Sanders line next year then he'll be extremely head of the curve and all you Biz haters should eat crow the entire year. Paul Silas thought Biz was 4-5 years from being an NBA player and personally I think we'll more or less know how good Biz can be during year 4 but I'm optimistic that he'll make a noticeable jump next year because besides what you box score stat nerds can tell, Biz has made some remarkable progress as a Bobcat since day one. Maybe not a Larry Sanders type jump (yet) but definitely a "Hmm, maybe he isn't a bust after all" kind of jump.

"But why does Biz get extra time and Sanders doesn't, you're moving the goal posts" you say? Bismack was a bigger project than your typical American born and bred big man. He didn't go to college, he didn't have high-level coaching until practically the NBA, and he's younger than most college players. I'm sorry that some of you are impatient and want instant feedback but some things you just have to wait on.


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However, perhaps until then, someone shouldn't be spewing nonsense like "Biz is already better than Enes Kanter."
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Post#56 » by Eoghan » Wed Apr 3, 2013 3:29 am

Nanogeek wrote:
To summarize this post - "wait until next year!!" We heard similar refrains about Ajinca and Morrison. We're still waiting.

I've attended almost every Bobcats home game this year.. Biyombo is still terrible. He's less terrible than he was last year though. I've already set forth the case in the prior thread that Biyombo has to break out next year. He is horrific on offense and always will be. He needs to pay his way with defense and he is just not good enough yet on defense to justify keeping him on the floor given how fantastically bad he is on offense. Next season is it. If he doesn't break out then it's over. Show me one other player that sucked as bad as Biyombo for three seasons and then became a defensive all-star. Wallace did it after two seasons. Sanders after two seasons. And don't bother with the "but he's young", "but he didn't even see his first basketball until he was 18", "but his rookie season was a partial season", etc. The fact that you have to come up with lots of excuses is telling of the plight we're in with Biyombo.

Tyson Chandler for one. Ben Wallace was "as bad as Biyombo" for at least 4 seasons before he won a DPOY. I'm sorry you have such a poor understanding of context, the world and the people in it do not exist in only black and white.

You think Biyombo is terrible, that's your opinion and you're welcome to it. But the rest of us are in more or less agreement that Bismack is a special project and are reserving judgment for the duration of his rookie contract. So unless you are Michael Jordan, Rich Cho, or Rod Higgins, you are hardly in position to say that "Next season is it."

Also, Ajinca and Morrison? WTF? The former was taken in the late 1st round (these picks historically don't pan out) and the latter was a widely heralded college player whose career was derailed by a knee injury which robbed him of what little athleticism he had. He's pretty much the anti-Bismack.
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Post#57 » by Johnlac1 » Wed Apr 3, 2013 4:10 am

Every player has a certain trajectory. Some keep progressing, and some stop after a few years. So has Biyombo progressed from last year? I'd say he looks better to me...even his offense. So the key question is how far away or how much does he have to improve to be considered just an average player?

The difference between a good player and a subpar player based on percentages is less than people think. No player in the NBA is twice as good as another player. If the average poster on RealGM was twice as good as they are now, they'd easily be the best player who ever played. But nobody who's an adult and who's been playing for an appreciable period of time can improve 15-20% much less 100%. A player who is 5% better than another player has a huge advantage over that player. In my estimation Biyombo would have to improve only about 2-3% to be considered an average player. If he could actually improve by 5% better, he'd be a top-flight center. It's making that 5% improvement that's the real challenge. It takes a lot of work and working on the right things. Bismack appears to be a person who doesn't lack for desire to improve.
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Post#58 » by TheCage4 » Wed Apr 3, 2013 4:42 am

Ajinca, selected 20th (IMO that's not late) was drafted ahead of Ibaka, Batum, Ryan Anderson, Koufos, George Hill & Darrell Arthur- all later picks who have panned out.

Ajinca was a huge miss with talent like that still on the board.
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Post#59 » by Liver_Pooty » Wed Apr 3, 2013 4:48 am

Some of you bitch too much. Biyombo will more than likely not make a significant jump next season. The year after next however I think he could be a very nice big man.
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Post#60 » by James Gatz » Wed Apr 3, 2013 5:48 am

It's a bit absurd to say next year is his last chance. It's not like we won't pick up his 4th year team option. I'm still putting my money on Biyombo working out. Will he ever be a DPOY candidate? I don't know. I do know that at the least he will eventually be a valuable piece to a contending team.

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