Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread

Snidely FC · Post #41 » by **Snidely FC** » Mon Jun 3, 2013 6:36 pm

After seeing the Syracuse game and watching Tyler Zeller play for CLE this year, I've written Cody Z off.

I would rather try to find a star at 4 (Olidipo, McLemore, Bennet) and trade Ramon Sessions for a pick in the teens to mid-twenties to use on a big.

Liver_Pooty · Post #42 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jun 3, 2013 6:42 pm

Snidely FC wrote:After seeing the Syracuse game and watching Tyler Zeller play for CLE this year, I've written Cody Z off.

I would rather try to find a star at 4 (Olidipo, McLemore, Bennet) and trade Ramon Sessions for a pick in the teens to mid-twenties to use on a big.

I'd rather keep Sessions than give him away for a pick in the 20s.

Cody is twice the athlete Tyler is as well.

Snidely FC · Post #43 » by **Snidely FC** » Mon Jun 3, 2013 6:59 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Snidely FC wrote:After seeing the Syracuse game and watching Tyler Zeller play for CLE this year, I've written Cody Z off.

I would rather try to find a star at 4 (Olidipo, McLemore, Bennet) and trade Ramon Sessions for a pick in the teens to mid-twenties to use on a big.

I'd rather keep Sessions than give him away for a pick in the 20s.

Cody is twice the athlete Tyler is as well.

Ramon is our backup PG. His role can be filled by bringing in someone like Shaun Livingston who might actually pass the ball for 1/4 price then use the change to sign a shooter like Dunleavy plus you get the pick in the trade.
But my main point is I would rather see us trade our backup PG than our #4 pick if we want another first rounder.

If you say Cody is more athletic I believe you. All I know is in that Syracuse game he looked like he was playing basketball in a room with an eight foot ceiling. I guess I am just not a fan.

Liver_Pooty · Post #44 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jun 3, 2013 7:01 pm

Snidely FC wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Snidely FC wrote:After seeing the Syracuse game and watching Tyler Zeller play for CLE this year, I've written Cody Z off.

I would rather try to find a star at 4 (Olidipo, McLemore, Bennet) and trade Ramon Sessions for a pick in the teens to mid-twenties to use on a big.

I'd rather keep Sessions than give him away for a pick in the 20s.

Cody is twice the athlete Tyler is as well.

Ramon is our backup PG. His role can be filled by bringing in someone like Shaun Livingston who might actually pass the ball for 1/4 price then use the change to sign a shooter like Dunleavy plus you get the pick in the trade.
But my main point is I would rather see us trade our backup PG than our #4 pick if we want another first rounder.

If you say Cody is more athletic I believe you. All I know is in that Syracuse game he looked like he was playing basketball in a room with an eight foot ceiling. I guess I am just not a fan.

Yeah he was dismal in that Syracuse game, but then again McLemore disappeared on the big stage quiet a few times as well. I doubt we draft him, but I wouldn't be irate if we did.

LamarMatic7 · Post #45 » by **LamarMatic7** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 8:28 pm

I can't get past his whiteness so I'm not too sure about drafting him, but I can say that he could make my summer of 2013 imaginary all-white USA olympic team.

Last year it was a roster of:

Ridnour/Hinrich
Hayward/Dunleavy
Budinger/Parsons/Korver
Love/Anderson
Lee/Humphries/Tyler Zeller

After what I've seen this season, Hinrich probably takes Ridnour's starting spot, Parsons gets to start and Anderson does as well (depending on Love's health). The Zeller bros would be the second and third center with Humphries being the only player who's cut from last year's team. And it isn't only due to the token college guy rule, he was terrible this year.

LamarMatic7 · Post #46 » by **LamarMatic7** » Tue Jun 4, 2013 8:32 pm

Should we invite Mullens to the training camp though? Maybe Love doesn't want to play in the imaginary 2013 olympics because of his injury. BJ could battle it out with Nick Collison (and not make it). #LamarsOwnLittleWorld

BlackOutBuzz · Post #47 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Wed Jun 5, 2013 5:45 am

LamarMatic7 wrote:I can't get past his whiteness so I'm not too sure about drafting him, but I can say that he could make my summer of 2013 imaginary all-white USA olympic team.

Last year it was a roster of:

Ridnour/Hinrich
Hayward/Dunleavy
Budinger/Parsons/Korver
Love/Anderson
Lee/Humphries/Tyler Zeller

Jason Kidd didn't make the roster last year (I mean, you included Hump)? Maybe the fictitious 2013 olympics could be his last hurrah.

LamarMatic7 · Post #48 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Jun 5, 2013 3:35 pm

BlackOutBobcat wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:I can't get past his whiteness so I'm not too sure about drafting him, but I can say that he could make my summer of 2013 imaginary all-white USA olympic team.

Last year it was a roster of:

Ridnour/Hinrich
Hayward/Dunleavy
Budinger/Parsons/Korver
Love/Anderson
Lee/Humphries/Tyler Zeller

Jason Kidd didn't make the roster last year (I mean, you included Hump)? Maybe the fictitious 2013 olympics could be his last hurrah.

I don't remember but I probably made an executive decision and call Humphries white enough. Upon checking out his wikipedia page, I discovered that he's bi-racial like Kidd. I guess we could make an exception for Kidd, if he was willing to play and I allowed Humphries on the team last year.

Elden Payton · Post #49 » by **Elden Payton** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:39 am

Bump..

The more I think about it the more I like the idea of our FO trading down a few spots and taking Cody Zeller, He seems like a Cho guy and shows the traits and intangibles that Cho likes.

He fills a massive hole for us in the frontcourt and he brings the post game we lack.

The more I think about it he reminds me a lot of Christian Laettner.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #50 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:52 am

Trading down isn't an automatic thing. Lots of folks assumed that the FO would do that last year & it didn't happen. More teams are getting more stingy around how they deal with trading draft picks. Making draft deals is more difficult today than it was 4-5 years ago.

Liver_Pooty · Post #51 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:11 am

Impressive workout here by Zeller, if anything he could be a Byron Mullens with a brain. He also looks like hes put on about 10 pounds of muscle. He strokes the daylights out of the ball in this video, great form.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abPOpSJ0ovQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]

Post #52 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:19 pm

if the cats want a pick and roll partner for kemba, we could do a lot worse than zeller. why as this guy not shooting more 3s in college? crazy good jumper.

Post #53 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:25 pm

somebody needs to again tell me why this guy wont succeed in the NBA? its clear his game will be more like bosh than a banger inside. he has the size and mobility to play power forward. he runs the floor great, which is good for a team like ours. he will be a stretch four, something we could use. he appears to have the strength to at least be an average rebounder for his position. high bball IQ. are the only negatives that he wont be a shot blocker/rim protector and wont be a true back to the basket low post force? what else?

Stun704 · Post #54 » by **Stun704** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:29 pm

fatlever wrote:somebody needs to again tell me why this guy wont succeed in the NBA? its clear his game will be more like bosh than a banger inside. he has the size and mobility to play power forward. he runs the floor great, which is good for a team like ours. he will be a stretch four, something we could use. he appears to have the strength to at least be an average rebounder for his position. high bball IQ. are the only negatives that he wont be a shot blocker/rim protector and wont be a true back to the basket low post force? what else?

Why can't he be a low post force? He already has a decent post game

SWedd523 · Post #55 » by **SWedd523** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:30 pm

He certainly has less serious downsides than guys like Noel, Len, or Bennett (no health issues), but at the same time I feel like he doesn't have the upside that those guys do. Noel can be a Larry Sanders type defender, Bennett could be a poor man's Kevin Love, and Len could be a Roy Hibbert type of guy.

I mean, he does show some signs of poor man's Aldridge or Bosh, but Zeller is soft-ish, has short arms, and is white. When was the last time that recipe equaled success?

Eoghan · Post #56 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:12 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Impressive workout here by Zeller, if anything he could be a Byron Mullens with a brain. He also looks like hes put on about 10 pounds of muscle. He strokes the daylights out of the ball in this video, great form.

Disagree. He's got 3 noticeable flaws: Shoots the ball beside his head, guidehand is too involved, kicks legs out left making the shot off-balance.

He has good form but it's far from picture perfect.

Liver_Pooty · Post #57 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:31 pm

BrotherDave wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Impressive workout here by Zeller, if anything he could be a Byron Mullens with a brain. He also looks like hes put on about 10 pounds of muscle. He strokes the daylights out of the ball in this video, great form.

Disagree. He's got 3 noticeable flaws: Shoots the ball beside his head, guidehand is too involved, kicks legs out left making the shot off-balance.

He has good form but it's far from picture perfect.

So you said he has good form, and I said he has great form.

Ill take that as basically an agreement.

Post #58 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:32 pm

BrotherDave wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:Impressive workout here by Zeller, if anything he could be a Byron Mullens with a brain. He also looks like hes put on about 10 pounds of muscle. He strokes the daylights out of the ball in this video, great form.

Disagree. He's got 3 noticeable flaws: Shoots the ball beside his head, guidehand is too involved, kicks legs out left making the shot off-balance.

He has good form but it's far from picture perfect.

thats some serious nitpicking... but agreed, good form, not perfect form.

Eoghan · Post #59 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:11 pm

Yes, I am seriously nitpicking. But it's one thing to make it rain like Dale Ellis inside an empty gym and another during an actual game. I just wouldn't get carried away with putting the "stretch 4" club in his bag just yet.

Kembastockton · Post #60 » by **Kembastockton** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:46 pm

Stun704 wrote:
fatlever wrote:somebody needs to again tell me why this guy wont succeed in the NBA? its clear his game will be more like bosh than a banger inside. he has the size and mobility to play power forward. he runs the floor great, which is good for a team like ours. he will be a stretch four, something we could use. he appears to have the strength to at least be an average rebounder for his position. high bball IQ. are the only negatives that he wont be a shot blocker/rim protector and wont be a true back to the basket low post force? what else?

Why can't he be a low post force? He already has a decent post game

I am worried that those t-rex arms of his will make him struggle to get that beautiful shot off consistently against nba level defenders.