Fried Chicken and Bonghits: The Al Jefferson Thread 2.0

Braggins · Post #41 » by **Braggins** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:13 pm

Al seems like a good guy in general but his character as it relates to basketball is awful. Him pouting and refusing to give effort if he isnt fed the ball constantly is way worse than Lance getting his head out of the game when he or the team is struggling. It looks worse for Lance because he is more expressive. I think the rift between Lance and Al is more Als fault than Lance. Al basically holds the team hostage with his attitude. It wasnt an issue last season because everyone on our team and our coach were willing to defer to him constantly and let him do whatever he wants. I bet part of the reason our off-season signings other than Lance were under-talented scrubs that would rather pass the ball and hide on offense was to cater to Al and his insatiable appetite for touches.

Braggins · Post #42 » by **Braggins** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:19 pm

I highly doubt that anything will be different than before once Al returns. People who were optimistic about Clifford making changes due to our recent success should temper their expectations. There is no way Al isnt going to be in worse shape than before the injury but we will ride him just as hard. Al demands it and Clifford and our players are complicit. He just needs to be gone from this team. Im not condoning Lances behaviour but if I were him Id want out too.

Liver_Pooty · Post #43 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:25 am

I'd like to rename this thread.

KembaWalker · Post #44 » by **KembaWalker** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:41 am

I think ya'll are taking it a little too far with this "Al demanding the ball" and all that like he's some kind of cancer black hole. He's a good teammate and wants to win first. He's just a difficult player to utilize for any coach because you have to feed him the ball as much as you can while he's in or else you're just hamstringing your defense for nothing.

Post #45 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:44 am

I generally find Braggins to have very reasonable takes, but I just can't wrap my head around the Al hate that emanates from him.

Liver_Pooty · Post #46 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:46 am

KembaWalker wrote:I think ya'll are taking it a little too far with this "Al demanding the ball" and all that like he's some kind of cancer black hole. He's a good teammate and wants to win first. He's just a difficult player to utilize for any coach because you have to feed him the ball as much as you can while he's in or else you're just hamstringing your defense for nothing.

100% agree.

Post #47 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:46 am

BrotherDave wrote:I give Lance a bit more leeway b/c he's had nagging injuries most of the year it seems like. Al should be fresh as a daisy, it doesn't take forever to recover from plantar fasciitis and he seemed fairly trim (for him) to start the year. I'm kind of baffled that he moves this poorly and to pull a groin without running or playing defense, for a professional athlete it's kinda head scratching.

They had literally the exact same injury and Al is to blame but Lance isn't? Lance gets a pass for nagging injuries but not Al? Odd take IMO.

BeesWax · Post #48 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 2:58 am

yosemiteben wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:I give Lance a bit more leeway b/c he's had nagging injuries most of the year it seems like. Al should be fresh as a daisy, it doesn't take forever to recover from plantar fasciitis and he seemed fairly trim (for him) to start the year. I'm kind of baffled that he moves this poorly and to pull a groin without running or playing defense, for a professional athlete it's kinda head scratching.

They had literally the exact same injury and Al is to blame but Lance isn't? Lance gets a pass for nagging injuries but not Al? Odd take IMO.

I think the point was Lance has been playing injured all season from the strain in preseason while Al was healthy all preseason and just came in lazy and has still not played his way into shape. Lance deserves criticism about not being in peak shape but he did not know all off season where he was going to be while being in town to make sure he was in shape. He was marching around trying to market himself. Al was here all summer supposedly working out. What was he lifting Big Macs? Seems like the only thing he was doing was putting up a few shots and eating like he ran a marathon.

Eoghan · Post #49 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:00 am

yosemiteben wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:I give Lance a bit more leeway b/c he's had nagging injuries most of the year it seems like. Al should be fresh as a daisy, it doesn't take forever to recover from plantar fasciitis and he seemed fairly trim (for him) to start the year. I'm kind of baffled that he moves this poorly and to pull a groin without running or playing defense, for a professional athlete it's kinda head scratching.

They had literally the exact same injury and Al is to blame but Lance isn't? Lance gets a pass for nagging injuries but not Al? Odd take IMO.

Pelvis =/= groin

Liver_Pooty · Post #50 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:01 am

jdm3 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:I give Lance a bit more leeway b/c he's had nagging injuries most of the year it seems like. Al should be fresh as a daisy, it doesn't take forever to recover from plantar fasciitis and he seemed fairly trim (for him) to start the year. I'm kind of baffled that he moves this poorly and to pull a groin without running or playing defense, for a professional athlete it's kinda head scratching.

They had literally the exact same injury and Al is to blame but Lance isn't? Lance gets a pass for nagging injuries but not Al? Odd take IMO.

I think the point was Lance has been playing injured all season from the strain in preseason while Al was healthy all preseason and just came in lazy and has still not played his way into shape. Lance deserves criticism about not being in peak shape but he did not know all off season where he was going to be while being in town to make sure he was in shape. He was marching around trying to market himself. Al was here all summer supposedly working out. What was he lifting Big Macs? Seems like the only thing he was doing was putting up a few shots and eating like he ran a marathon.

You hire an agent to market yourself. Lance spent the offseason doing appearances and rapping along with doing glorified YMCA pickup games instead of actually working on his game, and it is biting him in the ass right now.

BeesWax · Post #51 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:03 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:They had literally the exact same injury and Al is to blame but Lance isn't? Lance gets a pass for nagging injuries but not Al? Odd take IMO.

I think the point was Lance has been playing injured all season from the strain in preseason while Al was healthy all preseason and just came in lazy and has still not played his way into shape. Lance deserves criticism about not being in peak shape but he did not know all off season where he was going to be while being in town to make sure he was in shape. He was marching around trying to market himself. Al was here all summer supposedly working out. What was he lifting Big Macs? Seems like the only thing he was doing was putting up a few shots and eating like he ran a marathon.

You hire an agent to market yourself. Lance spent the offseason doing appearances and rapping along with doing glorified YMCA pickup games instead of actually working on his game, and it is biting him in the ass right now.

I agree he screwed up but he did not have a home like Al did. He had to meet with GMs and all that mess. He should have done more than he did for sure though.

stinger14 · Post #52 » by **stinger14** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:04 am

There really is no defending either guy for being out of shape, and this shold be for fans, coaches, teammates, or management. Al should be ridiculed as much as Lance has been.

Post #53 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:16 am

jdm3 wrote:I think the point was Lance has been playing injured all season from the strain in preseason while Al was healthy all preseason and just came in lazy and has still not played his way into shape.

I assume you just didn't look it up and don't remember but Al missed two preseason games with ankle soreness. I agree though that Lance seemed to have a more limiting injury than just lingering soreness from a procedure at the beginning of the offseason.

Post #54 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:18 am

BrotherDave wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:I give Lance a bit more leeway b/c he's had nagging injuries most of the year it seems like. Al should be fresh as a daisy, it doesn't take forever to recover from plantar fasciitis and he seemed fairly trim (for him) to start the year. I'm kind of baffled that he moves this poorly and to pull a groin without running or playing defense, for a professional athlete it's kinda head scratching.

They had literally the exact same injury and Al is to blame but Lance isn't? Lance gets a pass for nagging injuries but not Al? Odd take IMO.

Pelvis =/= groin

You can tell I'm not a medical type - I honestly thought that they both had groin injuries, and that Lance had just reaggravated the injury he had in preseason.

Liver_Pooty · Post #55 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:19 am

stinger14 wrote:There really is no defending either guy for being out of shape, and this shold be for fans, coaches, teammates, or management. Al should be ridiculed as much as Lance has been.

Hes been ridiculed as much or more from what I've seen on here.

Eoghan · Post #56 » by **Eoghan** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:31 am

yosemiteben wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:They had literally the exact same injury and Al is to blame but Lance isn't? Lance gets a pass for nagging injuries but not Al? Odd take IMO.

Pelvis =/= groin

You can tell I'm not a medical type - I honestly thought that they both had groin injuries, and that Lance had just reaggravated the injury he had in preseason.

No worries, I didn't know if we were on the same page. I couldnt remember what Lance's initial injury was but I remember people saying his shot would start falling once he got his legs under him. Other than shooting lance wasn't that bad, good rebounds and similar assists as terrible Kemba. The reason why I give Lance a bit more slack is unlike Al he had a new coach and teammates to adjust to which isn't easy when you're healthy let alone limping around.

catch20two · Post #57 » by **catch20two** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:37 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
stinger14 wrote:There really is no defending either guy for being out of shape, and this shold be for fans, coaches, teammates, or management. Al should be ridiculed as much as Lance has been.

Hes been ridiculed as much or more from what I've seen on here.

Definitely more. Al has been torn to shreds on here lately. Lol. To the point 90% of us want to trade him for expirings like Perkins and scraps from the Knicks. It don't get much worse than that.

AttitudeAjusta · Post #58 » by **AttitudeAjusta** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:38 am

Braggins wrote:Al seems like a good guy in general but his character as it relates to basketball is awful. Him pouting and refusing to give effort if he isnt fed the ball constantly is way worse than Lance getting his head out of the game when he or the team is struggling. It looks worse for Lance because he is more expressive. I think the rift between Lance and Al is more Als fault than Lance. Al basically holds the team hostage with his attitude. It wasnt an issue last season because everyone on our team and our coach were willing to defer to him constantly and let him do whatever he wants. I bet part of the reason our off-season signings other than Lance were under-talented scrubs that would rather pass the ball and hide on offense was to cater to Al and his insatiable appetite for touches.

You Lance fanboys are just amazing. The excuses for this moron keep getting more and more elaborate.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_BCgvKIO2w[/youtube]

How can you accept this from one of our players?

I don't know about you guys, but I am so tired of the absolute f*ckery this f*g magician pulls every single night. If it converted into points or wins, maybe, but that's definitely not the case. He just makes us look bad.

Liver_Pooty · Post #59 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:39 am

catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
stinger14 wrote:There really is no defending either guy for being out of shape, and this shold be for fans, coaches, teammates, or management. Al should be ridiculed as much as Lance has been.

Hes been ridiculed as much or more from what I've seen on here.

Definitely more. Al has been torn to shreds on here lately. Lol. To the point 90% of us want to trade him for expirings like Perkins and scraps from the Knicks. It don't get much worse than that.

To be honest I want to trade him myself, but its only because Biyombo has finally convinced me he can be a legit starter in this league. Still has a lot of work to do, but thats a whole different subject.

What we could get for Jefferson is a completely different ordeal. I have no freaking idea what his worth is on the trade market.

catch20two · Post #60 » by **catch20two** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:43 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Hes been ridiculed as much or more from what I've seen on here.

Definitely more. Al has been torn to shreds on here lately. Lol. To the point 90% of us want to trade him for expirings like Perkins and scraps from the Knicks. It don't get much worse than that.

To be honest I want to trade him myself, but ts only because Biyombo has finally convinced me he can be a legit starter in this league. Still has a lot of work to do, but thats a whole different subject.

What we could get for Jefferson is a completely different ordeal. I have no freaking idea what his worth is on the trade market.

Whoa sh*t. Not hard at all to change some of you guys opinions in 5-10 games. Biz went from "bust from hell" :rofl:

that shouldn't get minutes over Maxiell to you to convincing you that he could be a legit starter in this league in 2 weeks huh?