Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[TTNN]

However, nowadays now that i know Lin wont ever be a star cuz he's a goddamn pussy chump i dont get as worked up anymore. I think alot of the Lin hardcore brigade has realized that too so they've melted off quite a bit and mellowed out. Still, being from a taiwanese-american upbringing similar to Lin, and still desperate for him to succeed (as faint as that chance is). I know what gets folks like us motivated. It's a swift kick in the balls and for people to tell them in their face they're screwing up and need to shape up. Simply put, let the hate flow, he needs to channel all the hate directed towards him and succeed to shut em up, sadly all he's done lately is proving them right for mocking him all this time.

Pfft God and Hey-Zeus would push me off the clouds for being the cynical bastard that i am. Hate has made me stronger! I wish i had more hate in me when i was younger, woulda gotten more stuff done and not been such a pussy. I support the Dark Side

Thank you for speak out the hater's logic, I could never understand why there is so many Lin haters, it is not like he did something really bad. If it is game thing, that's usually one game, why haters would continue to hate even when he was having a good game. Now I kind of understand part of the thinking there.

And I feel sorry to people had that kind of thinking, and promote hate and even think that would help, that's some kind of mess up logic there though. Hopefully they will give that up some day.

[EwingSweatsALot]

I read on a Taiwan news site that there's a rumor about trading Lin to Bulls. Anyone heard or has that kind of sources?

Meh, I saw that on twitter a couple days ago. Was on christianpost.Com or something.

Rumored deal was Hinrich and a 1st rounder for Lin. Of course it's not true though. I'd love the trade for the Hornets.

This can't be real, right? HAHAHAHA

[HornetJail]

I read on a Taiwan news site that there's a rumor about trading Lin to Bulls. Anyone heard or has that kind of sources?

Meh, I saw that on twitter a couple days ago. Was on christianpost.Com or something.

Rumored deal was Hinrich and a 1st rounder for Lin. Of course it's not true though. I'd love the trade for the Hornets.

I think someone floated that on reddit a week ago. Trade "rumors" are useless unless it's someone like Woj/Stein or a team's beat writer breaking it.

[EwingSweatsALot]

I read on a Taiwan news site that there's a rumor about trading Lin to Bulls. Anyone heard or has that kind of sources?

Meh, I saw that on twitter a couple days ago. Was on christianpost.Com or something.

Rumored deal was Hinrich and a 1st rounder for Lin. Of course it's not true though. I'd love the trade for the Hornets.

I think someone floated that on reddit a week ago. Trade "rumors" are useless unless it's someone like Woj/Stein or a team's beat writer breaking it.

So just Woj or Stein for us.

[HornetJail]

Didn't Bonnell break some trade this summer?

[JDR720]

well he got the lamb trade kinda sorta right. i remember he jumped the gun big time too, the trade that was a certainty to get done but didn't (think it was Lance to the Nets or something like that?)

i could be making that up, but i dont think i am.

EDIT- i think it was the 3 way between CHA/BRK and OKC

[yosemiteben]

well he got the lamb trade kinda sorta right. i remember he jumped the gun big time too, the trade that was a certainty to get done but didn't (think it was Lance to the Nets or something like that?)

i could be making that up, but i dont think i am.

EDIT- i think it was the 3 way between CHA/BRK and OKC

It wasn't just Bonnell that jumped the gun on that trade though, think everyone reported it as essentially done, then OKC and CHA got Billy King'ed overnight and it fell apart.

Think Presti got back at King when he baited them on a RJ trade up until the trade deadline then sent him to DET for Kanter.

[lin is ok]

Heh, didnt take long for some CHA fans to start hating on Lin in order to clown on his more fanatical fans. Stick to talking deserved **** about Lin, and he's provided plenty of ammo, rather than try to make fun of the more rabid and not bball savvy of his fanbase. Theyre too easy a target to rile up tbh, as they often say alot of stupid **** in response that makes the reasonable among us look bad.

I used to be pretty hardcore that Lin can be a star if given time and touches (those stints where Harden missed games and Lin went off really fed into this belief), but after his Laker's season where he didnt have the balls to get pissed and fight back when he got benched for Ronnie "Head of the Snake" Price and buck the reigns and try to get his after Kobe went down, i pretty knew from there that his beta ass aint gonna be big time. Doesnt mean he cant be a good starter, but he'll never be a star with his stupid attitude and weak personality. With the way he gets flustered so easily it often makes me wonder how the hell did he even get as far as he did.

lol there u go generalising his fan base, go look at conservative new media youtube videos. Paul presents it as it is. for example check out his video when lin played badly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-NhSmpWwtQ
If Lin sucks, it tends to magnify and I get abit down, but thank the heavens I have a happy life. So ..... I don't get too down.
But heck the 2nd unit seriously needs some stability and frankly I don't think Batum extending his minutes and playing PG is helping them warm up. look at his turn overs. No doubt Batum does create some great assits, but not off a dribble as a point guard. This 2nd unit has some serious trust issues, cause everyone on it is fighting for their own minutes rather than for each other.

[yosemiteben]

But heck the 2nd unit seriously needs some stability and frankly I don't think Batum extending his minutes and playing PG is helping them warm up. look at his turn overs. No doubt Batum does create some great assits, but not off a dribble as a point guard. This 2nd unit has some serious trust issues, cause everyone on it is fighting for their own minutes rather than for each other.

I actually completely disagree, but it's just on the eyeball test and I'm curious to see how the stats bare this out. I feel like running Batum with the second unit gives greater stability because so far Lin and Lamb have not shown to be great at facilitating ball movement (not necessarily their fault). Lately it has seemed like Lin gets jammed up trying to create too much off the dribble, and I personally feel a lot more confident that the ball will be moved intelligently with Batum on the floor, his TOs notwithstanding.

Might be my bias though.

[yosemiteben]

Uh-oh. Lin just tweeted a Bible verse ... After this loss, I don't think the emotion behind this tweet is as positive....

I don't mean to harp on you, but CBS just published a piece yesterday on Lin with these quotes:

“We understand that it's a long year and you gotta have fun,” Lin said. “We want to develop something where we are really close with each other on the court and off the court. That's why we spend a lot of time together and why you see us having a lot of fun and joking around. We really want this to be a great experience.”

“[Charlotte] wants me to go play my game,” Lin said. “That's liberating in a lot of ways.”

It is way too early to act like Lin is unhappy with his role or the team. We are two games removed from the beat down we handed out to Chicago, and we heard all these first person accounts after that game about how great team chemistry and Lin's relationship with his teammates seem to be.

There is way too much of a microscope on Lin IMO.

[lin is ok]

But heck the 2nd unit seriously needs some stability and frankly I don't think Batum extending his minutes and playing PG is helping them warm up. look at his turn overs. No doubt Batum does create some great assits, but not off a dribble as a point guard. This 2nd unit has some serious trust issues, cause everyone on it is fighting for their own minutes rather than for each other.

I actually completely disagree, but it's just on the eyeball test and I'm curious to see how the stats bare this out. I feel like running Batum with the second unit gives greater stability because so far Lin and Lamb have not shown to be great at facilitating ball movement (not necessarily their fault). Lately it has seemed like Lin gets jammed up trying to create too much off the dribble, and I personally feel a lot more confident that the ball will be moved intelligently with Batum on the floor, his TOs notwithstanding.

Might be my bias though.

Not like Batum is doing such a great job with the 2nd unit. I rather they suck now that the season is early and learn from their mistakes gel as a unit. growing pains.

[fatlever]

JeremyLinForum ‏@jlinforum 56m56 minutes ago

Also keep in mind that CHA fans and media really like Lin.That was not the case last 3 years. So keep it civil and have a bit more patience.

Wise words

[13th Man]

Uh-oh. Lin just tweeted a Bible verse ... After this loss, I don't think the emotion behind this tweet is as positive....

I don't mean to harp on you, but CBS just published a piece yesterday on Lin with these quotes:

“We understand that it's a long year and you gotta have fun,” Lin said. “We want to develop something where we are really close with each other on the court and off the court. That's why we spend a lot of time together and why you see us having a lot of fun and joking around. We really want this to be a great experience.”

“[Charlotte] wants me to go play my game,” Lin said. “That's liberating in a lot of ways.”

It is way too early to act like Lin is unhappy with his role or the team. We are two games removed from the beat down we handed out to Chicago, and we heard all these first person accounts after that game about how great team chemistry and Lin's relationship with his teammates seem to be.

There is way too much of a microscope on Lin IMO.

I'm willing to bet that any disappointment that Lin has is directed at himself, not towards the organization or coaches. Because he's supposed to be the leader of the 2nd unit he probably bears a bit more responsibilty but I have faith that they'll work it out and get past these growing pains. The SA game was a reality check for them.

[bws94]

I don't hate Lin because of his hardcore fans. I don't hate Lin at all, not even close.

99% of posters here only care about his production on the court. He could tweet his love for Satan 45 times a day if he wants. I don't care. Just play well, and help us win games, please.

Yup, I don't really see Charlotte fans "hating" on Lin. I agree with what you said. Lin isn't really playing anything more than meh, remember those strong games he had against Charlotte? Play like that.

During the game threads folks are about to say anything about any player. It's just part of the in-the-moment stuff. Lin hasn't been treated any different from anyone else in most of the Charlotte forums I've seen by fans of the team.

[bws94]

I wanna try this
The asian sensation - The Jeremy Lin Thread
The Lin show - The Jeremy Lin Thread
It's not a Sin to believe in Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread
Force within Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread

It's not a Sin to believe in Lin

I like that one.

[bws94]

But heck the 2nd unit seriously needs some stability and frankly I don't think Batum extending his minutes and playing PG is helping them warm up. look at his turn overs. No doubt Batum does create some great assits, but not off a dribble as a point guard. This 2nd unit has some serious trust issues, cause everyone on it is fighting for their own minutes rather than for each other.

I actually completely disagree, but it's just on the eyeball test and I'm curious to see how the stats bare this out. I feel like running Batum with the second unit gives greater stability because so far Lin and Lamb have not shown to be great at facilitating ball movement (not necessarily their fault). Lately it has seemed like Lin gets jammed up trying to create too much off the dribble, and I personally feel a lot more confident that the ball will be moved intelligently with Batum on the floor, his TOs notwithstanding.

Might be my bias though.

edited below

[bws94]

But heck the 2nd unit seriously needs some stability and frankly I don't think Batum extending his minutes and playing PG is helping them warm up. look at his turn overs. No doubt Batum does create some great assits, but not off a dribble as a point guard. This 2nd unit has some serious trust issues, cause everyone on it is fighting for their own minutes rather than for each other.

I actually completely disagree, but it's just on the eyeball test and I'm curious to see how the stats bare this out. I feel like running Batum with the second unit gives greater stability because so far Lin and Lamb have not shown to be great at facilitating ball movement (not necessarily their fault). Lately it has seemed like Lin gets jammed up trying to create too much off the dribble, and I personally feel a lot more confident that the ball will be moved intelligently with Batum on the floor, his TOs notwithstanding.

Might be my bias though.

Lin works so much off of the dribble penetration. When that's working, Lin is an excellent and sometimes electric facilitator. However, when it is taken away, he dribbles around aimlessly and at times looking shaky, like he's going to fall or dribble it off his foot or something, while doing so. Or he can take himself out completely, just pass it to the someone, find a corner and essentially camp there. So, his PG awareness could be better. His court vision is quite good, but there's more to being a PG than having court vision.

In an ideal world, Lin is usually paired with an excellent PnR big man like Ed Davis or Tyson Chandler, an athletic cutter than Lin can throw lobs to at any time (he can throw a 3/4 court lob and right on the money) and a 3 point gunner he can dish to off of the dribble/drive. I wish Lin can figure out how to be a more effective guard when the dribble drive is taken away. I also think he's a better PG when his perimeter shot is falling. Then you have to worry about will he shoot it or will he drive. He has a much more effective and confident game when his perimeter shot is falling. And it really hasn't that much since regular season began.

Batum is somewhat more steady, seeing the floor and choosing the right place to theoretically get it. He sometimes gets it there, but at times telegraphs what he's going to do and it is broken up. Sometimes, he just doesn't really get the pass there. But Batum and Lin could work something out where they are a good tandem. I think Batum and Lin should screen and cut for each other.

[milankovich]

I wanna try this
The asian sensation - The Jeremy Lin Thread
The Lin show - The Jeremy Lin Thread
It's not a Sin to believe in Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread
Force within Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread

It's not a Sin to believe in Lin

I like that one.

This.


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[fatlever]

Amazingly Random, but Fun Scenario Question for Lin Fans

Scenario: I am a super wealthy basketball fan from Taiwan. I want to buy an NBA franchise (money is no object) and build a team around Lin that showcases him as a star level player. I am hiring you as my GM and consultant.

1) I want you to first pick a franchise for me to buy. It can be any franchise. I will pay whatever it takes. But I want it to be in a city that would be ideal for Lin.

2) Assemble a team of players to put around Lin. You can pick any players. (assume everyone is a free agent and there is no salary cap). I will pay whatever it takes to put the perfect team around Lin.

3) Pick a coach to coach the team that you assemble

The team you build must be these things:

A) A team with a chance of winning in the playoffs (doesn't have to be a championship team, but must be at least .500)

B) Lin must be a starter.

C) Lin must be no worse than the 2nd/3rd option on offense. I want Lin to be feature on offense and be the primary decision maker and facilitator as well as being one of the top 3 scorers.

So, knowing all of that, give me the franchise, the starting 5 and the coach. Go.

(I did something similar a few years back where I asked Kemba Walker fans to build me a starting 5 that can contend for a championship where Kemba is no worse than the 3rd option on offense)

I think it is fun to see what people come up with.

[Robot Rock]

JeremyLinForum ‏@jlinforum 56m56 minutes ago

Also keep in mind that CHA fans and media really like Lin.That was not the case last 3 years. So keep it civil and have a bit more patience.

Wise words

Not all Charlotte fans disliked Lin years ago. I've always been a Lin fan. Kemba and Lin are my two favorite guards in the NBA, so it's pretty fun having them both on my favorite team.