Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[dmutombo321]

3) Agree it will probably take more than just Batum to obtain him, including at least an unprotected first and perhaps another rotation player.

What? For an unrestricted FA? Why?

Because he's a superior player closer to making an Allstar jump who is also two years younger.
Also, we wont have adequate cap space to sign him outright if we just wait for him to hit FA in the offseason

I wouldnt initially offer up additional assets beyond Batum as an opening overture, but in the event Hayward is put on the block by mid season, it will almost certainly take more than just Batum to make a competitive bid when teams like Boston will likely be dangling Crowder plus multiple future late firsts

As Bass mentions, we'd be taking a gamble that he resigns at seasons end. However, I'd say chances are high since he already previously inked an offersheet here for his last contract. And even if he does leave, as a consolation, we'd have approx $25 million for to be players in free agency.

[BlackOutBuzz]

It's hard for me to compare Batum and Hayward because of the different styles, what with Hayward being more of a scorer to Batum's facilitator. That said, I don't think the difference in overall impact is enough to justify throwing in a pick or additional rotation player. Then take into account that Hayward is an upcoming UFA, who if we're able to keep will be much more expensive than Batum due to his age and scoring numbers.

I also think Batum is the better fit with this team, which is enough for me to overlook Hayward potentially being slightly better overall. Wouldn't mind going after him in FA, but wouldn't give up assets for a marginal upgrade that's a worse fit.

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[yosemiteben]

It's all kind of silly because we aren't trading Batum after we just extended him. He was the centerpiece of our offseason, we aren't going to shop him two months into the season.

Agreed with BOB.

[LofJ]

If I were Cho I wouldn't offer anything more than a straight swap of Batum for Hayward. While I agree that Hayward is the better player, we still have to be compensated for the risk that he walks in free agency. An offer of Batum is more than fair if Hayward intends to walk anyway at the end of the season.

I wouldn't do the trade at all if it were me. Hayward is going to be paid more, so we'd be sacrificing future cap flexibility for the marginal upgrade that he would provide.

[dmutombo321]

I would argue that Hayward would be more than just a marginal upgrade to Batum. He's a far better scorer, which this team could sorely use to alleviate some of the burden on Walker, and albeit not on the level of Batum as a passer, is still a gifted distributor in his own right averaging just shy of 4 assists from the SG/SF spot.

I suppose it all comes down to whether or not you're convinced that this roster's walker/batum/MGK/Zeller/Frank core has the talernt to make a jump into to upper echelon vs. posting mid 40s win totals and being dispatched early every post season. I for one am not a believer and under the right circumstances, wouldnt be opposed to shaking things up a little roster wise.

[yosemiteben]

I agree that our roster needs a primary facilitator / secondary scorer on the wing more than another primary scorer / secondary playmaker.

[Radu_Hornets]

Battu is never going to move from Charlotte (at least not in the short run).

He signed here giving away 2 max contract apparently because we have a core that is going to stay for at least 3 season (counting this one).
They want to build chemistry with the same group.

[LofJ]

We have a good team, but I think there are opportunities out there to make it better. We need to look to do what SVG did when he traded for Jackson, Morris, and Harris. Basically, look for guys that are either capable of playing a bigger role or that teams want to move to give minutes to a younger player.

There is a good group of players that fall into those criteria:

Nerlens Noel
Ricky Rubio
Tyreke Evans
Kosta Koufos
Ben McLemore
PJ Tucker
Will Barton
Mason Plumlee
Justin Holiday (Jrue's brother)

I don't think we'd be interested in the bigs, unless we're swapping them, but the wings and guards like Tucker, Holiday, Rubio, and Evans should all be of interest to us.

[yosemiteben]

I never particularly enjoy it when folks try to trade for players that just signed with new teams, but seeing on the boards that NYK might be falling out of love with CLee.

If available, would you guys trade Hawes and Lamb for CLee?

I do feel like this could be a breakout year for Lamb so I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger, but CLee was a great fit while here and would give us MKG insurance and really solid spacing + perimeter defense off the bench.

[LofJ]

I never particularly enjoy it when folks try to trade for players that just signed with new teams, but seeing on the boards that NYK might be falling out of love with CLee.

If available, would you guys trade Hawes and Lamb for CLee?

I do feel like this could be a breakout year for Lamb so I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger, but CLee was a great fit while here and would give us MKG insurance and really solid spacing + perimeter defense off the bench.

I'd rather hold onto Lamb. Giving him up in addition to sacrificing the depth that Hawes provides as our 5th big is too much.

[Flip Murray]

I never particularly enjoy it when folks try to trade for players that just signed with new teams, but seeing on the boards that NYK might be falling out of love with CLee.

If available, would you guys trade Hawes and Lamb for CLee?

I do feel like this could be a breakout year for Lamb so I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger, but CLee was a great fit while here and would give us MKG insurance and really solid spacing + perimeter defense off the bench.

I'd be worried about Lee's contract. 12 million for the next 4 years. It might hamper us a little bit but he would be such a great fit. It would also be a depth killer. If you could assure me that Zeller, Hibbert, and Kaminsky were going to be healthy the rest of the season I'd consider it but I just don't see where we would go for depth.

[Flip Murray]

What realistic positions do we most want to upgrade? Depth big, depth wing, or depth guard?

[Braggins]

Id probably give up our 1st for Will Barton.

[Braggins]

What realistic positions do we most want to upgrade? Depth big, depth wing, or depth guard?

My ideal would be a better backup PG, preferrably someone with size to play some SG next to Kemba.

[Mystical Apples]

What realistic positions do we most want to upgrade? Depth big, depth wing, or depth guard?

I doubt landing depth is the goal. Maybe the fallback after missing on a larger in-season deal and 2017 FA. Even then I'd bank on Cho pursuing starter quality off the bench.

[JDR720]

I wouldn't trade for Hayward, but i would try to sign him. he technically signed here before, so why not try again?

I think he is better than Nic, Nic is the better passer but i think Hayward is better at everything else. If we just have to have a playmaker on the wing to play with Kemba/MKG then we should be looking into trading one of them too. probably Kemba since he would get a bigger return and PG's are pretty easy to find.

[JDR720]

What realistic positions do we most want to upgrade? Depth big, depth wing, or depth guard?

probably wing. i think its basically a guarantee that MKG will get hurt at some point and our backup wings are terrible. Batum sucks when he is hurt too.

im willing to wait on Sessions, he was solid last year and we have a couple decent bigs in the D-League i think.

[bravor]

What realistic positions do we most want to upgrade? Depth big, depth wing, or depth guard?

Imo, there is still the need to upgrade the guard position. Right now, there is both Lamb (at 2/3) and Belinelli (2) but both combine for around 13M and something should be done to get a real good combo guard or good shooting guard, rather tall for obvious reasons. Someone with the skill level of Jason Terry (i know). No idea who are the vets who can fit the role, but the idea would be to always have a true scoring machine behind Walker, especially in half court offense from the bench.
This way, Clifford could rotate Batum and MKG at the wing more often, and save some energy and prevent from jeopardizing MKG's health before play offs.

I would avoid all former wing players from the trailblazers (too expensive for what you get). I really think George Hill would be awesome here (i think he only has one year left on his contract?). I know he is old, but it is hard to find a better profile to fill the need at this position. Especially if the Hornets get a starting center and that Cody plays from the bench.

Wood is already a prospect to try some day, and i would draft a tweener (i think) for Marvin in case. or A good promising C or PF/C for trade/value (in case).
At this point, and considering that 2018/2019 is coming rather soon, it would be criminal to trade 1st rounds imho.

[euphorbus]

Lou Williams with the Lakers might be a good fit for a combo guard, as a former sixth man of the year. His current salary is $7 million.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I never particularly enjoy it when folks try to trade for players that just signed with new teams, but seeing on the boards that NYK might be falling out of love with CLee.

If available, would you guys trade Hawes and Lamb for CLee?

I do feel like this could be a breakout year for Lamb so I'd be hesitant to pull the trigger, but CLee was a great fit while here and would give us MKG insurance and really solid spacing + perimeter defense off the bench.

That's an interesting trade question, though given his line tonight I imagine that a larger sample size will render this irrelevant.

I'm not a fan of CLee's contract and he is probably going to be a wreck by the end of it. But I do think that he would bring a good deal of balance to the roster and quite frankly he just plays smart. As you mention he's a perfect 3&D guy for Cliff & this roster.

Lamb on the other hand is trending stable if not up. There is a good chance that he's better at the end of his contract than he is now. But I'm just not a fan of how he plays. He does bring needed scoring, but I'm still really 'meh' on him overall. As for Hawes, I actually like him as a 3rd big, but he's replaceable.

Honestly I would pull the trigger on that. It's the kind of move that would make a big difference in the playoffs this year and maybe next ... and that's worth the cap damage. If this trade was a real possibility the only thing that would hold me back was if a guy like Hayward was telling our front office that he really wanted to sign here next summer.