Hornets sign MCW

countryboi · Post #41 » by **countryboi** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 12:30 am

I mean he is a big point and can play both guard spots....but he is also complete trash so that's a bonus.

MCW needs to watch the hell out of Livingston and do what ever he is doing because that's how he is going to stick in this league

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TheKingofSting · Post #42 » by **TheKingofSting** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 12:30 am

Maybe Fred H. Is just a horrible coach.

Kemba / MCW
Batum / Monk
MKG / Lamb
Marv / Frank
D12 / Zeller

God, I hope Kemba doesn't get injured.

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catch20two · Post #43 » by **catch20two** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 12:35 am

TheKingofSting wrote:Maybe Fred H. Is just a horrible coach.

Jason Kidd and Brett Brown too.

TheKingofSting · Post #44 » by **TheKingofSting** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 12:35 am

UNCNYC wrote:I am ok with this but we Shoulda kept that Frank Jackson dude from dook community college. I saw two plays today from bacon and I am done eating pork

Or surely we could have gotten a player from Cheating Chapel Hill College.

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Post #45 » by **yosemiteben** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 12:39 am

catch20two wrote:We would've been better off keeping Sessions. Mark my words.

To be fair, until the other day you thought he was a bad defensive PG when routinely he's had top 5 DRPM for a PG. Maybe pump the brakes.

LofJ · Post #46 » by **LofJ** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 12:39 am

catch20two wrote:
TheKingofSting wrote:Maybe Fred H. Is just a horrible coach.

Jason Kidd and Brett Brown too.

Brown made him ROY, and he and Clifford have known each other forever.

Post #47 » by **JDR720** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 12:48 am

He was roy because he got to chuck and do whatever he wanted on a terrible team

euphorbus · Post #48 » by **euphorbus** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 12:49 am

Bassman wrote:Short of a trade this is about as good as we could get folks. Everyone kept pushing about how MKG was young and could develop a quality jump shot in time. I'd bet on MCW doing that before MKG.

Battle of the hyphens.

It would have been better to trade Mr. Kidd-Gilchrist and bring in a quality backup point guard or combo guard. I have never been a fan of Carter-Williams' game--he never got over starting his career on the one of the most dreadful teams in NBA history.

He averaged only marginally more assists per 36 last season, 4.8, than Brian Roberts, at 4.5. Sessions, at least, had 5.7, and I never liked Sessions, either.

catch20two · Post #49 » by **catch20two** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 12:52 am

yosemiteben wrote:
catch20two wrote:We would've been better off keeping Sessions. Mark my words.

To be fair, until the other day you thought he was a bad defensive PG when routinely he's had top 5 DRPM for a PG. Maybe pump the brakes.

I still believe his defense is overrated. He's not very quick laterally.

Post #50 » by **yosemiteben** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:00 am

catch20two wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
catch20two wrote:We would've been better off keeping Sessions. Mark my words.

To be fair, until the other day you thought he was a bad defensive PG when routinely he's had top 5 DRPM for a PG. Maybe pump the brakes.

I still believe his defense is overrated. He's not very quick laterally.

Might be right, but across the board his defensive metrics are impressive. PNR defense ppp, DRPM, DFG%, all top notch. I think he's more likely underrated as opposed to overrated.

I thought you'd be all about this because this means Lamb is going to have a more significant offensive role.

BatumtheGlue · Post #51 » by **BatumtheGlue** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:03 am

He is on a cheap deal and long enough to guard 2, could be a nice fit next to Monk. I'm ok.

Braggins · Post #52 » by **Braggins** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:06 am

Garbage player. Bad fit. Pointless waste of cap space.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #53 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:10 am

For all his warts...I really can't complain about such a short-term, inexpensive deal.

The fit makes sense too; a big, defensive guard should offer a nice balance to lineups involving Kemba and/or Monk.

This probably doesn't happen without Lin. No doubt MCW and his agent saw how much Lin was featured, even as a backup, and parlayed that into $12M per year.

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yasuhara2241 · Post #54 » by **yasuhara2241** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:14 am

Wanted a high quality veteran BUT after seeing what type of money those guys were getting paid, this actually turned into the best case scenario for the Hornets.
He is Cliffs next great rebuild project. McBob, Lin & Lee got great contracts after stints with us so that is probably what sold MCW.
Now positives:
1. Size
2. Defense, can guard multiple positions
3. CHEAP!
Negatives:
1. Shooting
2. Under performed
3. If does well, we are in the same position next yr looking for a back-up PG

With Monk, Frank, Lamb, Zeller we have plenty of scoring. MCW might excel having a great pick player like Zeller. He will not be asked to be a scorer and shooter which bodes well for him. We have Weber to back-up in case it doesn't work out. Either way we had Sessions and Roberts last year. This is an upgrade at a reduced cost and has potential.

Braggins · Post #55 » by **Braggins** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:28 am

yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:Don't get this take at all.

Its annoying that we are signing scrubs like MCW to avoid barely going over the tax instead of using the full MLE.

Or....we are signing defensive minded PGs because we want to play Monk but know he needs help on that end? Have you seen a better option at PG that went to a new team for the MLE?

And last offseason Roy Hibbert was the strong inside presence and rim protector that we needed. Its possible to manufacture positive spin for just about any player.

LofJ · Post #56 » by **LofJ** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:30 am

I was more interested in Tyreke and Rondo, but I'm always amazed at the negativity around here.

MCW was being courted by Houston, OKC, Dallas, and New Orleans but he signed with us. If that isn't a sign of organizational strength I don't know what is.

He has a lot to play for and he's talented, we need to get behind him and give him a chance. He's a Hornet now, so I'm a fan.

TheKingofSting · Post #57 » by **TheKingofSting** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:31 am

Braggins wrote:Garbage player. Bad fit. Pointless waste of cap space.

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Liver_Pooty · Post #58 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:40 am

Theres nothing wrong with signing him at what we did. I think its pretty solid, actually.

yasuhara2241 · Post #59 » by **yasuhara2241** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:46 am

LofJ wrote:I was more interested in Tyreke and Rondo, but I'm always amazed at the negativity around here.

MCW was being courted by Houston, OKC, Dallas, and New Orleans but he signed with us. If that isn't a sign of organizational strength I don't know what is.

He has a lot to play for and he's talented, we need to get behind him and give him a chance. He's a Hornet now, so I'm a fan.

Agreed. Honestly with the money we had to spend this was a good signing. We beat out those teams while paying him very little even better!

catch20two · Post #60 » by **catch20two** » Sun Jul 2, 2017 1:47 am

yosemiteben wrote:I thought you'd be all about this because this means Lamb is going to have a more significant offensive role.

Gonna be difficult for Lamb to play with this offensive clutz of a hyphenated name throwing up airballed layups and defenses daring him to shoot 3s knowing it'll likely clank off the side of the backboard.