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Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee

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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#41 » by JDR720 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:28 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I just don't get it

People thought he wouldn't do deals, he did at least a couple

Now I guess it's group complaining about the return on two expiring guys, 1 32 year old that no one wants on the roster and one non starter

Is the thought that we just didn't try? We're really rolling with that as the position

It's compared to what other players got. And a fear that we actually might want to keep Jackson + the others if they aren't traded.

The classic situation this team constantly finds itself in. Not commiting to a rebuild, even a small one, and haphazard team building.

This of course can change if we traded Oubre/Rozier too.
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#42 » by Rich4114 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:28 pm

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Rich4114 wrote:You CANNOT go into 23-24 thinking a LaMelo/Terry back court is a playoff back court. You just can't.

Theyve done it for two straight years.


Right, we have enough proof as to what the results will be. Continued wings driving into the paint without resistance and ISO ball in crunch time by an undersized SG. Unless they plan to move Terry to the bench as a 6th man (which I'd fully support, though he's way too expensive for that), they truly are blind if they can't see this won't work.
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#43 » by fatlever » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:30 pm

I have to assume that Reggie is getting bought out.
We didn't trade Kelly which means we at least have some consideration on trying to resign him. And if that's the case then we're not going to give way his playing time to Reggie jackson. I can't see us giving his playing time to terry. I guess we could take away Dennis is playing time but that seems kind of like a dick move and also Dennis seems like a guy that might want to stick around next year. Pretty stupid to just play Reggie any meaningless games for the next 2 months at the expense of Bryce getting some minutes.

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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#44 » by Rich4114 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:30 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:I just don't get it

People thought he wouldn't do deals, he did at least a couple

Now I guess it's group complaining about the return on two expiring guys, 1 32 year old that no one wants on the roster and one non starter

Is the thought that we just didn't try? We're really rolling with that as the position

It's compared to what other players got. And a fear that we actually might want to keep Jackson + the others if they aren't traded.

The classic situation this team constantly finds itself in. Not commiting to a rebuild, even a small one, and haphazard team building.

This of course can change if we traded Oubre/Rozier too.


Well thanks to injuries, they are forced into a slight rebuild which means a top 5 pick (hopefully a top 2 pick). That alone + Miles resigning would fix a lot. But by fix, it would make us a play-in lock and we want to be more so we need to retool which means swapping guys like Terry/Oubre/Hayward out for different pieces that hopefully mesh together better around LaMelo and Mark (and possibly Miles).
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#45 » by amcoolio » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:45 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I just don't get it

People thought he wouldn't do deals, he did at least a couple

Now I guess it's group complaining about the return on two expiring guys, 1 32 year old that no one wants on the roster and one non starter

Is the thought that we just didn't try? We're really rolling with that as the position


What else would you call it?

This isn’t good enough. Being the worst NBA franchise and right there with the Lions for worst in professional sports isn’t good enough.

There is absolutely no reason for Rozier to be on the roster. And reports were that teams were interested in Terry. TAKE THE DEAL. Get him and his huge long contract off the team. We are 15-41 with or without him. He does not matter.
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#46 » by Hornet Mania » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:45 pm

When the best asset you get from trading Plumlee + McDaniels is your own 2nd round pick this year it's not great bros.
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#47 » by Robot Rock » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:46 pm

Hold on, people actually think these were good decisions?
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#48 » by Robot Rock » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:48 pm

Well, maybe not aside from the resident shill.
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#49 » by yosemiteben » Thu Feb 9, 2023 8:56 pm

I'm not thrilled with the return, but I'm also very much done with reading completely non nuanced "we're stupid and everything we do is stupid with no thought" takes

**** gets tiring
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#51 » by amcoolio » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:07 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I'm not thrilled with the return, but I'm also very much done with reading completely non nuanced "we're stupid and everything we do is stupid with no thought" takes

**** gets tiring


I don’t have any problems with you as a poster man. But posters here should have a problem with blatant incompetence as an organization. I’ve been posting here for nearly 20 years and this is the lowest point, I feel like I’ve earned that right. To have a crap roster that’s bloated with long term contracts and the front office won’t budge…that is terrible. It’s abuse of fans! This organization blows. We need a total overhaul. Hope MJ sells soon.
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#52 » by SWedd523 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:09 pm

I honestly would've rather just agreed to buyout terms with Mase and allowed him to pick his own team instead of getting a dookie 2nd in return
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#53 » by Bassman » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:16 pm

amcoolio wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:I'm not thrilled with the return, but I'm also very much done with reading completely non nuanced "we're stupid and everything we do is stupid with no thought" takes

**** gets tiring


I don’t have any problems with you as a poster man. But posters here should have a problem with blatant incompetence as an organization. I’ve been posting here for nearly 20 years and this is the lowest point, I feel like I’ve earned that right. To have a crap roster that’s bloated with long term contracts and the front office won’t budge…that is terrible. It’s abuse of fans! This organization blows. We need a total overhaul. Hope MJ sells soon.


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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#54 » by Robot Rock » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:25 pm

This is nowhere near the lowest point. There's a superstar PG and a rookie C who's a rising star on the roster. A rash of injuries unlike anything I've ever seen doomed this season, and the current trajectory probably beats rallying for a 32-50 record, just so people can get mad about lower lottery odds (news flash: this team could go 0-82 for a decade straight and never pick first overall).

Trade deadline was bad though, and there's reason to be pissed.
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#55 » by MPM » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:25 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270416/Reggie-Jackson-Hornets-Likely-To-Agree-To-Buyout

So, basically Mason for a '28 2nd. (Not that I wanted Jackson on the roster - would far rather play DSJ or Maledon - happy to buy RJ out)
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#56 » by JDR720 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:27 pm

It's not the worst it's ever been. But between when Borrego got canned to now has been a continual downward spiral of misery. Mark is the only bright spot, and that is overshadowed by trading #13 for 2nd rounders.

This offseason is the most important one we've ever had.
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#57 » by Braggins » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:30 pm

JDR720 wrote:It's not the worst it's ever been. But between when Borrego got canned to now has been a continual downward spiral of misery. Mark is the only bright spot, and that is overshadowed by trading #13 for 2nd rounders.

This offseason is the most important one we've ever had.

Theyre still in a position to have a very reasonable path to completely turning things around by virtue of lucking into LaMelo + having a potential top 5 pick (shout out to Mark as well), but they still haven't given me any reason to feel confident they'll navigate the course correctly.
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#58 » by JDR720 » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:31 pm

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JDR720 wrote:It's not the worst it's ever been. But between when Borrego got canned to now has been a continual downward spiral of misery. Mark is the only bright spot, and that is overshadowed by trading #13 for 2nd rounders.

This offseason is the most important one we've ever had.

Theyre still in a position to have a very reasonable path to completely turning things around by virtue of lucking into LaMelo + having a potential top 5 pick (shout out to Mark as well), but they still haven't given me any reason to feel confident they'll navigate the course correctly.

It's just not fun at all having little to no confidence in the people running the team. In fact, most of would be shocked if they didn't screw up. I'm already expecting us to resign Oubre to 2yrs 30m or something.

Cliff/Mitch and MJ are the 3-stooges. Cliff is terrible at everything. Mitch is good at drafting, but terrible at everything else. And MJ probably golfed today instead of doing anything productive.
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#59 » by Braggins » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:39 pm

JDR720 wrote:I'm already expecting us to resign Oubre to 2yrs 30m or something.

Cliff/Mitch and MJ are the 3-stooges. Cliff is terrible at everything. Mitch is good at drafting, but terrible at everything else. And MJ probably golfed today instead of doing anything productive.

Exactly where I'm at.

Top of my wish list is Cliff getting fired. I know Michael selling is probably just never on the table.

They need to do better than Mitch, but he has drafted some good players. I'm so thrown off by the 2021 draft that I can't be fully comfortable with his drafting yet, but I would not be surprised to see him hit again. I'm terrified hes going to draft one of the Thompson twins, though.
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Re: Reggie Jackson to Charlotte for Plumlee 

Post#60 » by Chapelchilla » Thu Feb 9, 2023 9:44 pm

JDR720 wrote:It's not the worst it's ever been. But between when Borrego got canned to now has been a continual downward spiral of misery. Mark is the only bright spot, and that is overshadowed by trading #13 for 2nd rounders.

This offseason is the most important one we've ever had.


That is not what happened though

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