Re: The Brandon Miller Thread
Posted: Thu May 18, 2023 1:47 am
Been listening to some interviews with Miller and he comes off as an intelligent young guy. It makes me wonder how he found himself in that situation with Darius Miles.
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GoBobs wrote:The one thing I love is the FT%. If you put a team together with a bunch of players who are elite FT shooters you are going to win a lot of games.
Shooting is the only thing he is good at though. His handle, passing, defense, athletism are all below average for an nba player. He is a streak shooter also. There are going to be tons of games where he isn't hot and doesn't give you anything. Maybe a rich mans Oubre is a good comparison. That is a pretty good player, but Miller doesn't do enough things well to be worth the 2nd pick.
vexco wrote:GoBobs wrote:The one thing I love is the FT%. If you put a team together with a bunch of players who are elite FT shooters you are going to win a lot of games.
Shooting is the only thing he is good at though. His handle, passing, defense, athletism are all below average for an nba player. He is a streak shooter also. There are going to be tons of games where he isn't hot and doesn't give you anything. Maybe a rich mans Oubre is a good comparison. That is a pretty good player, but Miller doesn't do enough things well to be worth the 2nd pick.
This is just flat out wrong.
GoBobs wrote:The one thing I love is the FT%. If you put a team together with a bunch of players who are elite FT shooters you are going to win a lot of games.
Shooting is the only thing he is good at though. His handle, passing, defense, athletism are all below average for an nba player. He is a streak shooter also. There are going to be tons of games where he isn't hot and doesn't give you anything. Maybe a rich mans Oubre is a good comparison. That is a pretty good player, but Miller doesn't do enough things well to be worth the 2nd pick.
vexco wrote:GoBobs wrote:The one thing I love is the FT%. If you put a team together with a bunch of players who are elite FT shooters you are going to win a lot of games.
Shooting is the only thing he is good at though. His handle, passing, defense, athletism are all below average for an nba player. He is a streak shooter also. There are going to be tons of games where he isn't hot and doesn't give you anything. Maybe a rich mans Oubre is a good comparison. That is a pretty good player, but Miller doesn't do enough things well to be worth the 2nd pick.
This is just flat out wrong.
luciano-davidwesley wrote:vexco wrote:GoBobs wrote:The one thing I love is the FT%. If you put a team together with a bunch of players who are elite FT shooters you are going to win a lot of games.
Shooting is the only thing he is good at though. His handle, passing, defense, athletism are all below average for an nba player. He is a streak shooter also. There are going to be tons of games where he isn't hot and doesn't give you anything. Maybe a rich mans Oubre is a good comparison. That is a pretty good player, but Miller doesn't do enough things well to be worth the 2nd pick.
This is just flat out wrong.
Agreed. Some of these Miller takes are disrespectful, bordering on embarrassing.
"Okayish shooter"
"Below average handle, passing, defense and athleticism"
Look I'm all for people having a preference (I haven't made up my own mind yet) but there's no need to make dramatic and awful statements that have no bearing with reality.
Miller was one of the best players in the NCAA last season as a freshman but he's apparently going to be below average at NBA level at everything except shooting, which he'll be OKish at - IF his shooting translates?!?!
Seriously take a breath everyone and try to post with some impartiality.
I think both Scoot and Miller look like great prospects at this point in time and I'm going to go over both of their games in a lot more detail before the hyperbole comes out.
BeesWax wrote:I don't think it does. I think it is a comment on who he may be as a player. There is nothing wrong with a strong spot up shoot who won't be played off the floor on defense but if the Scoot is close to prime Rose comparison is real based on athletic ability and everything that is closer to a top tier guy that Miller appears to be.
I think Miller will be solid and has a higher floor than Scoot but Scoot has the higher ceiling. I guess the question becomes who do you think has the work ethic and desire to get closer to that top end. If one has a better drive than the other it may be the way to go and hope the sky is the limit.
SWedd523 wrote:BeesWax wrote:I don't think it does. I think it is a comment on who he may be as a player. There is nothing wrong with a strong spot up shoot who won't be played off the floor on defense but if the Scoot is close to prime Rose comparison is real based on athletic ability and everything that is closer to a top tier guy that Miller appears to be.
I think Miller will be solid and has a higher floor than Scoot but Scoot has the higher ceiling. I guess the question becomes who do you think has the work ethic and desire to get closer to that top end. If one has a better drive than the other it may be the way to go and hope the sky is the limit.
Overwhelming odds that Scoot is closer to DSJ than Rose too.
That's the point. It's not an indictment on him as a prospect, it's just reality that he probably won't be an MVP tier guy who was looking at top 5 at his position had he not gotten hurt.
Saying "Miller is closer to Joe Harris and Scoot is closer to Rose" is just favoritism speaking, much the same way "Miller is closer to KD and Scoot is closer to DSJ".
Hell, you could just as easily phrase it as Miller's floor of Korver/Harris/Strus is better than Scoot's DSJ/Fultz/Payton II.
GoBobs wrote:luciano-davidwesley wrote:vexco wrote:
This is just flat out wrong.
Agreed. Some of these Miller takes are disrespectful, bordering on embarrassing.
"Okayish shooter"
"Below average handle, passing, defense and athleticism"
Look I'm all for people having a preference (I haven't made up my own mind yet) but there's no need to make dramatic and awful statements that have no bearing with reality.
Miller was one of the best players in the NCAA last season as a freshman but he's apparently going to be below average at NBA level at everything except shooting, which he'll be OKish at - IF his shooting translates?!?!
Seriously take a breath everyone and try to post with some impartiality.
I think both Scoot and Miller look like great prospects at this point in time and I'm going to go over both of their games in a lot more detail before the hyperbole comes out.
I don't know.. that is pretty much the way I see it. The draft is a minefeild of busts so to a certain extent I guess I am going to be critical of all these top guys. I have watched a bunch of Brandon Miller full games and when his shot isn't going you can't find him with a microscope.
If people think his handle, defense, passing or athletism are going to be average or above average at the NBA level I am interested in hearing why. Maybe I am wrong so if there is a reason you think he is going to be good, share it with me.
I am just saying if there was a continium and on one end you had guys that could handle pass and shoot at an elite level like Kevin Durrant or Devin Booker and at the other end like a Joe Harris who is just an elite spot up shooter, Brandon Miller seems a lot closer to the Joe Harris side than the Kevin Durrant side.
vexco wrote:GoBobs wrote:luciano-davidwesley wrote:Agreed. Some of these Miller takes are disrespectful, bordering on embarrassing.
"Okayish shooter"
"Below average handle, passing, defense and athleticism"
Look I'm all for people having a preference (I haven't made up my own mind yet) but there's no need to make dramatic and awful statements that have no bearing with reality.
Miller was one of the best players in the NCAA last season as a freshman but he's apparently going to be below average at NBA level at everything except shooting, which he'll be OKish at - IF his shooting translates?!?!
Seriously take a breath everyone and try to post with some impartiality.
I think both Scoot and Miller look like great prospects at this point in time and I'm going to go over both of their games in a lot more detail before the hyperbole comes out.
I don't know.. that is pretty much the way I see it. The draft is a minefeild of busts so to a certain extent I guess I am going to be critical of all these top guys. I have watched a bunch of Brandon Miller full games and when his shot isn't going you can't find him with a microscope.
If people think his handle, defense, passing or athletism are going to be average or above average at the NBA level I am interested in hearing why. Maybe I am wrong so if there is a reason you think he is going to be good, share it with me.
I am just saying if there was a continium and on one end you had guys that could handle pass and shoot at an elite level like Kevin Durrant or Devin Booker and at the other end like a Joe Harris who is just an elite spot up shooter, Brandon Miller seems a lot closer to the Joe Harris side than the Kevin Durrant side.
Do you remember KD at Texas? If I recall correctly, scouting reports at the time were about the same. Average passer, careless with the ball, didn't defend well in college. If you're trying to compare Miller to a finished product then ok but it seems pretty unfair.
yosemiteben wrote:vexco wrote:GoBobs wrote:
I don't know.. that is pretty much the way I see it. The draft is a minefeild of busts so to a certain extent I guess I am going to be critical of all these top guys. I have watched a bunch of Brandon Miller full games and when his shot isn't going you can't find him with a microscope.
If people think his handle, defense, passing or athletism are going to be average or above average at the NBA level I am interested in hearing why. Maybe I am wrong so if there is a reason you think he is going to be good, share it with me.
I am just saying if there was a continium and on one end you had guys that could handle pass and shoot at an elite level like Kevin Durrant or Devin Booker and at the other end like a Joe Harris who is just an elite spot up shooter, Brandon Miller seems a lot closer to the Joe Harris side than the Kevin Durrant side.
Do you remember KD at Texas? If I recall correctly, scouting reports at the time were about the same. Average passer, careless with the ball, didn't defend well in college. If you're trying to compare Miller to a finished product then ok but it seems pretty unfair.
KD was a far superior prospect. Much better stats and better physical traits (6"+ wingspan difference).
yosemiteben wrote:vexco wrote:GoBobs wrote:
I don't know.. that is pretty much the way I see it. The draft is a minefeild of busts so to a certain extent I guess I am going to be critical of all these top guys. I have watched a bunch of Brandon Miller full games and when his shot isn't going you can't find him with a microscope.
If people think his handle, defense, passing or athletism are going to be average or above average at the NBA level I am interested in hearing why. Maybe I am wrong so if there is a reason you think he is going to be good, share it with me.
I am just saying if there was a continium and on one end you had guys that could handle pass and shoot at an elite level like Kevin Durrant or Devin Booker and at the other end like a Joe Harris who is just an elite spot up shooter, Brandon Miller seems a lot closer to the Joe Harris side than the Kevin Durrant side.
Do you remember KD at Texas? If I recall correctly, scouting reports at the time were about the same. Average passer, careless with the ball, didn't defend well in college. If you're trying to compare Miller to a finished product then ok but it seems pretty unfair.
KD was a far superior prospect. Much better stats and better physical traits (6"+ wingspan difference).
SWedd523 wrote:yosemiteben wrote:vexco wrote:
Do you remember KD at Texas? If I recall correctly, scouting reports at the time were about the same. Average passer, careless with the ball, didn't defend well in college. If you're trying to compare Miller to a finished product then ok but it seems pretty unfair.
KD was a far superior prospect. Much better stats and better physical traits (6"+ wingspan difference).
Agreed. That's why nobody is seriously comparing Miller to him