The Ace Bailey Thread

[amcoolio]

I just don’t see it. Maybe a better defensively miles bridges in his prime. I think I’d opt for Tre instead

[JMAC3]

I don't understand caring how he shoots in a single workout. I made 15 out of 25 3s in my workout today, doesn't mean I'm an NBA caliber shooter.

Yeah, you should write the combine, scouts and Adam Silver and tell them all it is a giant waste of time and nobody cares how any prospect shot today and to please remove it from the event moving forward.

You don't need to get snarky about this.

And especially as a Hornets fan. We've been burned by combine measurements and shooting drills more times than any of us can count. From Cody Zeller being LaMarcus Aldridge to MKG figuring out how to shoot every offseason to Bismack making a bunch of layups in a row.

He also shot 39% on catch and shoot threes this year.
Had Rutgers been better and he didn't have to lead the nation in isolation possessions he probably shoots a higher %.

76% of his threes were assisted, which means nearly 1/4 were self created.

vs the following
Kon 93% assisted
McNeely 93%
Carter 92%
VJ 86%
Jase 85%
Flagg 83%
Tre Johnson 67%

So yeah one can assume that as you scale Bailey down in the NBA to more within in the flow of an offense his shooting numbers will rise with an easier shot diet surrounded by a more balanced team.

[JMAC3]

Yeah, you should write the combine, scouts and Adam Silver and tell them all it is a giant waste of time and nobody cares how any prospect shot today and to please remove it from the event moving forward.

You don't need to get snarky about this.

And especially as a Hornets fan. We've been burned by combine measurements and shooting drills more times than any of us can count. From Cody Zeller being LaMarcus Aldridge to MKG figuring out how to shoot every offseason to Bismack making a bunch of layups in a row.

He also shot 39% on catch and shoot threes this year.
Had Rutgers been better and he didn't have to lead the nation in isolation possessions he probably shoots a higher %.

76% of his threes were assisted, which means nearly 1/4 were self created.

vs the following
Kon 93% assisted
McNeely 93%
Carter 92%
VJ 86%
Jase 85%
Flagg 83%
Tre Johnson 67%

So yeah one can assume that as you scale Bailey down in the NBA to more within in the flow of an offense his shooting numbers will rise with an easier shot diet surrounded by a more balanced team.

So yes when someone like Carter Bryant finishes last in shooting off the dribble 11/30, when he didn't showcase that at all this year it matters. Confirms what the tape shows. Or Cedric Coward probably just locked up being a top 25 pick with his shooting performance mixed with measurements. Or someone like Rasheer Fleming who shot the ball 1 year out of 3 years in college, shooting below average at every spot.

So yeah seeing Ace Bailey shoot above average at 4/5 spots yesterday is a good sign to me.

[EmpireFalls]

I just don’t see it. Maybe a better defensively miles bridges in his prime. I think I’d opt for Tre instead

The playstyle comp for him is Miller, skinny shooting wing who can’t get into the paint, not Bridges

[GoBobs]

Ace Bailey knows how to play, he is a really good player. Problem is the stuff he is good at is (1) creating his own shot in a tunnel vision type of way, (2) hitting a difficult mid range jumper.

I would say Ace Bailey's play style reminds me a little bit of Paul George, where Brandon Miller reminds me a little bit of Reggie Miller. Paul George is probably a good comp for the ceiling range on Ace Bailey.

Seems like somebody that can create their own 3pt shot fits better in todays league. Tre Johnson can do that. He averaged more points than Ace on way better efficiency and played much better competition.

Ace also shot 69% from the ft line. Seems weird that a guy who specializes in mid range jumpers can't knock that down at a better clip. Paul George shot something similar as a college freshman then jumped up to 90% the next year. If that happens with Bailey, his stock goes up a lot because you have to be an elite ft line guy to be the focal point of the offense. Tre has already shown he can shoot 87% from the line, so I feel more comfortable adding that to the team.

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"Jaden McDaniels with 20% better offense and 20% worse defense." Keep him as a low usage guy. But with the slight possibility that he becomes more than that. I think that's a pretty good realistic outcome.

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[JMAC3]

Jerami Grant averaged under 10 ppg his first four years in the league. Didn't average over 14 ppg until he was 26 years old after being a 2nd round pick. If Ace Bailey is going to play like Jerami Grant from day 1 then that is a good starting place, but he is also 18 so trying to cap his ceiling at that now is just a bad move imo.

At the end of the day he will be 6-9 in shoes, with a 7 foot wingspan and plus athleticism. He was dominant in highschool as the #2 prospect, now getting projected as the #3 prospect in the draft after averaging 18/7 while shooting 51% from 2, 34.5% from 3 at age 18.

If he shot zero midrange and only shot threes and layups he would be Jabari Smith Jr., would you guys rather that? take all the unique stuff from his game like the off dribble threes and pull up midranges and only have him play like a robot like Jabari?

[KingCat]

The pro side to Ace: he has been compared to Brandon Miller a few times and that should make us excited. The current game loves lengthy wings with 2 guard like skills for a while now. Melo being extremely tall for a PG also helps us lot.

Imagine a lineup featuring our 1 to 3 being 6'6 or above guys able to dribble it down the floor, launch it from 3, and create their own look in the half court. And then if these guys could get their head straight defensively; absolute match up nightmare every game.

Would love to try to pull off a starting 5 with no players under 6'6

[fatlever]

Jerami Grant averaged under 10 ppg his first four years in the league. Didn't average over 14 ppg until he was 26 years old after being a 2nd round pick. If Ace Bailey is going to play like Jerami Grant from day 1 then that is a good starting place, but he is also 18 so trying to cap his ceiling at that now is just a bad move imo.

At the end of the day he will be 6-9 in shoes, with a 7 foot wingspan and plus athleticism. He was dominant in highschool as the #2 prospect, now getting projected as the #3 prospect in the draft after averaging 18/7 while shooting 51% from 2, 34.5% from 3 at age 18.

If he shot zero midrange and only shot threes and layups he would be Jabari Smith Jr., would you guys rather that? take all the unique stuff from his game like the off dribble threes and pull up midranges and only have him play like a robot like Jabari?

Seeing what our coaching staff did to Miller last year by removing his mid-range game I'd be concerned they would do the same thing to ace.

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[JustBuzzin]

Jerami Grant averaged under 10 ppg his first four years in the league. Didn't average over 14 ppg until he was 26 years old after being a 2nd round pick. If Ace Bailey is going to play like Jerami Grant from day 1 then that is a good starting place, but he is also 18 so trying to cap his ceiling at that now is just a bad move imo.

At the end of the day he will be 6-9 in shoes, with a 7 foot wingspan and plus athleticism. He was dominant in highschool as the #2 prospect, now getting projected as the #3 prospect in the draft after averaging 18/7 while shooting 51% from 2, 34.5% from 3 at age 18.

If he shot zero midrange and only shot threes and layups he would be Jabari Smith Jr., would you guys rather that? take all the unique stuff from his game like the off dribble threes and pull up midranges and only have him play like a robot like Jabari?

Seeing what our coaching staff did to Miller last year by removing his mid-range game I'd be concerned they would do the same thing to ace.

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This is a great point!

Ace strength is his mid range. We don't really prioritize mid range in this system.

[Braggins]

If Lee insists on forcing the exact Celtics system on this roster hes going to get **** canned.

[driveandkick]

If Lee insists on forcing the exact Celtics system on this roster hes going to get **** canned.

He’s already trying his damndest to remove the midrange shots from Miller’s game

[JMAC3]

A few player comps that make sense for me with Ace.
Mikal Bridges, Michael Porter Jr, Cam Johnson, Trey Murphy, Jalen McDaniels.

Ace has a taller standing reach then all of these guys.

[JMAC3]

I think Philly is taking Ace Bailey, but it isn't hard to watch his highlights and think a more open floor in the NBA helps him out a ton. He is a really fluid athlete at his size, I think the floor was so congested at Rutgers that playing with Melo, Miller and Miles would be like the seas parting for him.

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[fatlever]

I think you're right that they take ace if they keep the pick. I still won't be surprised if they trade it in an effort to go all in on the window they have now.. But they also have enough talent that they can take ace and bring him along at a good pace and let him learn from Paul George. I mean who better for ace to emulate and learn from?

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Anyone who is saying Ace can't create his own offense, I don't understand that take.

How many shots are self created in this one game alone?

[fatlever]

I don't think the conversation is that he can't create his own offense. I think he's shown that he can create those mid range jumpers Any time he wants. I think the question is can he create for others and then can he get to the rim And is he coachable enough to improve his shot selection.

[JMAC3]

I don't think the conversation is that he can't create his own offense. I think he's shown that he can create those mid range jumpers Any time he wants. I think the question is can he create for others and then can he get to the rim And is he coachable enough to improve his shot selection.

A lot of him getting to the rim in this clip, this a game with no Dylan Harper. Indiana had nobody on the court that could beat them but him and they still couldn't stop him.

[Braggins]

A reason for optimism imo is that his performance this year looks a lot better when you consider his age and how much of the context around him was working against his favor. He played pretty well all things considered and its easy to imagine him playing a lot better if he was a year older and playing for a program like Alabama.

The context of GG Jackson's college season was pretty similar to Bailey's and he played so much worse. GG hasn't necessarily done anything in the NBA yet, but It didn't take long to see he had a lot of talent at least once he was in the NBA.