Geometry: The Frank Kaminsky Thread

mrknowitall215 · Post #401 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:46 pm

Dukenukem23 wrote:Heck drafting Winslow would have made trading for batum unnecessary and you could have kept the better pf prospect in vonleh.

The trade for Batum sending out Henderson & Vonleh happened before the draft with selecting Kaminsky in mind. Even if they knew Winslow would fall ahead of time, I think it would've been hard to alter Cho's mind from taking Kaminsky after he was infatuated with him and sold Jordan on him in the process

Post #402 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:51 pm

~Snoopy~ wrote:new report says it was 6

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25225934/report-celtics-wanted-to-trade-6-picks-for-hornets-no-9-pick

No, it says it could have been as many as 6, or, in other words, no one knows what was offered and there might not have even been a specific offer.

Dukenukem23 · Post #403 » by **Dukenukem23** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:55 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Dukenukem23 wrote:Heck drafting Winslow would have made trading for batum unnecessary and you could have kept the better pf prospect in vonleh.

The trade for Batum sending out Henderson & Vonleh happened before the draft with selecting Kaminsky in mind. Even if they knew Winslow would fall ahead of time, I think it would've been hard to alter Cho's mind from taking Kaminsky after he was infatuated with him and sold Jordan on him in the process

If you read further down in my quote I mentioned that Charlotte should have waited til after the draft to make trades because of this reason. You do t know who is going to fall and you need to be prepared to take bpa. Becoming infatuated with one particular player is a dangerous thing sometimes. Anyways, hope it all works out for you guys.

Soul Rebel · Post #404 » by **Soul Rebel** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:57 pm

So which lineup would Hornets fans prefer:

Kemba
Hendo/Winston
MKG/Winston
Zeller/Vonleh
Al

or

Kemba
Batum
MKG
Kaminsky/Zeller
Al

BeesWax · Post #405 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:01 pm

I assume you mean Winslow so I pick the first one.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #406 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:02 pm

We traded guys who weren't threats from 3 for a trio that are. If anything, not making those trades would've made us MORE likely to take Kaminsky.

mrknowitall215 · Post #407 » by **mrknowitall215** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:05 pm

Dukenukem23 wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Dukenukem23 wrote:Heck drafting Winslow would have made trading for batum unnecessary and you could have kept the better pf prospect in vonleh.

The trade for Batum sending out Henderson & Vonleh happened before the draft with selecting Kaminsky in mind. Even if they knew Winslow would fall ahead of time, I think it would've been hard to alter Cho's mind from taking Kaminsky after he was infatuated with him and sold Jordan on him in the process

If you read further down in my quote I mentioned that Charlotte should have waited til after the draft to make trades because of this reason. You do t know who is going to fall and you need to be prepared to take bpa. Becoming infatuated with one particular player is a dangerous thing sometimes. Anyways, hope it all works out for you guys.

I read it. I was just stating Cho had his mind made up, and yes I agree that it's dangerous to go about making a team like that. I felt the wrath of it when Cho took Zeller over Noel, but it partially worked out in my favor as a impartial Sixers fan

BlackOutBuzz · Post #408 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:06 pm

Soul Rebel wrote:So which lineup would Hornets fans prefer:

Kemba
Hendo/Winston
MKG/Winston
Zeller/Vonleh
Al

or

Kemba
Batum
MKG
Kaminsky/Zeller
Al

As I just posted, before seeing this post, I don't think the trades really impacted our decision. Over 4 trades we swapped out Lance, Hendo, and Vonleh for Batum, Lamb, and Hawes. If anything I would think we'd be more likely to take Kaminsky with our former group.

Post #409 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:09 pm

~Snoopy~ wrote:new report says it was 6

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25225934/report-celtics-wanted-to-trade-6-picks-for-hornets-no-9-pick

crazy your gm didnt accept that
guess Kaminsky is new Bird after all

"Could have been as many as 6". lets see a listing of the actual 6 picks he offered. Until then, not buying it. 16/28 and a 2018 1st + some random 2nds, doesn't move the needle as much as you might think, for a team that is trying to win now. I would have taken Winslow and told Boston to shove off, which is exactly what all the other teams from 4-10 did as well.

And imagine how Rozier feels today hearing about how they tried to give up the farm to get someone else. Ainge is a nob.

Post #410 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:12 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:
Soul Rebel wrote:So which lineup would Hornets fans prefer:

Kemba
Hendo/Winston
MKG/Winston
Zeller/Vonleh
Al

or

Kemba
Batum
MKG
Kaminsky/Zeller
Al

As I just posted, before seeing this post, I don't think the trades really impacted our decision. Over 4 trades we swapped out Lance, Hendo, and Vonleh for Batum, Lamb, and Hawes. If anything I would think we'd be more likely to take Kaminsky with our former group.

Agreed, We would have been even less likely to take Winslow pre-trades, knowing how much the team was desperate to improve shooting.

driveandkick · Post #411 » by **driveandkick** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:16 pm

Frank can play, I'm not worried about that. Would I have taken him over Winslow? No, because I feel like Winslow if he goes boom could be special. But Frank is gonna ball.

Lineup I'd love to see
Kemba
Batum/Lamb
MKG
Frank
Bizz

Frank n' Bizz would ball together. Hope we get to see it at some point. Also MKG or Batum would do work in that lineup if you had Lamb in there in place of the other. That's quality spacing

Post #412 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:27 pm

I see Frank much more as a 5 and Al's potential replacement than I do as a stretch 4 who is needed to play next to Al.

Frank and Zeller should be the pairing for the future. Or you can call them Frankenzeller.

Our frontcourt defense will still suck, but I do have faith that Frank will be a better defender than Al ever was. Al has more girth and strength and is better a 1v1 post defense, but that's it. Frank should be able to put on 10-15 lbs of muscle in the next 2 years as he makes a move from 4 to 5.

LofJ · Post #413 » by **LofJ** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:28 pm

Kemba
Lamb
Batum
Kaminsky
Hawes

Chuck like no one has ever chucked before.

Kemba
Batum
MKG
Zeller
Biyombo

So you think you can score 85 on us? Good luck

Kemba
Lamb
Batum
MKG
Kaminsky

You feel like driving to the rim tonight Kemba and MKG?

Kemba
Lamb
Batum
Kaminsky
Al

Get your Alfense on Clifford

This exercise both really drives home how much we need a backup for Kemba and how superfluous Marvin is on this team now, swapping him out for a PG makes so much sense it won't happen.

Post #414 » by **yosemiteben** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:33 pm

LofJ wrote:This exercise both really drives home how much we need a backup for Kemba and how superfluous Marvin is on this team now...

Marvin is our insurance. Lamb and PJ are far from sure things as backup wings.

Totally agree about PG though.

Liver_Pooty · Post #415 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:37 pm

I feel a lot better about the pick today. The first thing he mentioned was being able to play alongside Zeller, which wouldn't be a half bad pairing at all.

Eoghan · Post #416 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:58 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:I feel a lot better about the pick today. The first thing he mentioned was being able to play alongside Zeller, which wouldn't be a half bad pairing at all.

On the 2nd unit maybe.

Post #417 » by **JDR720** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:13 pm

fatlever wrote:I see Frank much more as a 5 and Al's potential replacement than I do as a stretch 4 who is needed to play next to Al.

Frank and Zeller should be the pairing for the future. Or you can call them Frankenzeller.

Our frontcourt defense will still suck, but I do have faith that Frank will be a better defender than Al ever was. Al has more girth and strength and is better a 1v1 post defense, but that's it. Frank should be able to put on 10-15 lbs of muscle in the next 2 years as he makes a move from 4 to 5.

I think that might be the case, Frank has a 9-1.5 standing reach, just 1.5 inches less than WCS. I doubt he has the speed to guard PF's and playing C makes more offensive mismatches.

Post #418 » by **JDR720** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:16 pm

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Post #419 » by **fatlever** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:20 pm

Perhaps he gets most of his minutes at PF next year, with some minutes at C, but I figure that as he gets a little stronger and older, he will transition into a full-time C. Obviously there will be some big Cs that give him trouble, but that will always be the case. There are always mismatches. Just gotta win the mismatch by pulling their big out of the paint.

Remember back in the day when the Rapors used to go small vs the Bobcats and Bosh would pull Okafor away from the paint, then destroy him. I don't see any reason Frank can't do that to some Cs down the road.

amcoolio · Post #420 » by **amcoolio** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 9:33 pm

I think we should make the best of the situation and move on. Frank Kaminsky is ours now, and if we publicly treat him like **** like most of the Hornets fanbase is doing on twitter, facebook, here, carolina huddle, and charlotte observer, then its gonna be a repeat of the Adam Morrison fiasco.

After thinking on it all night, would I rather have Winslow? Yes, but if Frank pans out, he is what this team really needs. We are bound to hit on one of these first round picks, and there's still potential for Frank to be Kevin Love without the rebounding, so lets just give it a shot and move on.