2019 Offseason Thread

GiggitySmalls · Post #401 » by **GiggitySmalls** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 4:45 am

MasterIchiro wrote:Games are still fun and this upcoming team will feature more minutes and court time for more entertaining players. Miles, Monk, PJ, Rozier and Bacon are far more entertaining than Marvin, MKG, Biz, Cody, Batum and Parker. I will miss Kemba though. He was an entertainer.

Agreed. We also have room to grow and own our picks.

CatgutStitches · Post #402 » by **CatgutStitches** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 2:27 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:Games are still fun and this upcoming team will feature more minutes and court time for more entertaining players. Miles, Monk, PJ, Rozier and Bacon are far more entertaining than Marvin, MKG, Biz, Cody, Batum and Parker. I will miss Kemba though. He was an entertainer.

This. I'm just ready to watch some real basketball! We've had basically the same team for like 4 years now and it's gotten stale, lets move on. Last week someone posted a highlight video of the awful Bobcats team and I remembered fondly how much fun I had watching them even though they were terrible. Mullens and Co were still entertaining to me. Sure, I get frustrated sometimes with our direction, but I still watch every game because I enjoy it. I'm really hoping Monk gets some consistent minutes this year and is allowed to play through his mistakes some. I want our young guys to prove the haters wrong!

Braggins · Post #403 » by **Braggins** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 4:10 pm

This offseason is going to keep looking worse as more players on massive contracts (Westbrook next) get traded for big hauls, while the Hornets got Terry Rozier on a 20 million dollar a year deal for Kemba, while also possibly losing a 2nd round pick, because MJ for no apparent reason has a ironclad rule to never pay the luxury tax under any circumstances that forced the front office to lowball Kemba...

They could have easily signed him to a max or supermax and if hes unhappy after a year or two or they just need to rebuild they could have traded him for cap and picks, but that was completely off the table because going into the luxury tax even the slightest bit for a single season is not an option because MJ is basically a dumbass and they instead took on a negative value contract and possibly lost a pick to facilitate losing Kemba to a team in their conference... This kind of incompetence is hard to even imagine. I'm really not sure MJ isn't just as bad, if not worse, than Sarver or Dolan.

Post #404 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 4:15 pm

Lately, every time Mitch opens his mouth he says something asinine, which makes me lose a little bit more hope for our future.

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Braggins · Post #405 » by **Braggins** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 4:24 pm

Mitch at seems like he might be an above average drafter and I liked a decent amount of what he said about the direction of the team prior to the Kemba fiasco.

Maybe the reality has sunk in about how impossible his job is and has to say dumb things to try to justify the bad moves hes forced into in order to satisfy MJ. I kind of doubt hes actually a good GM, but he at least seems like an upgrade to Cho just based on drafting.

I never even felt comfortable putting that much blame on Cho, even though he was bad, because it seemed obvious MJ and even Cliff were driving a lot of the bad decisions. I don't really see how its possible to be successful as a GM for this team as long as MJ is the owner.

predators · Post #406 » by **predators** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 4:43 pm

Pragmatic/heartless me thinks we dodged a bullet not having to pay Kemba that 5th year. Undersized player's relying on quicks usually have a very abrupt decline when they lose a step. I actually kind of think Kemba is nuts for not taking that 5th year. I don't think he's going to get 32-34 million when he's 33 unless the cap is that much higher.

Putting super maxed Kemba's trade value in the same stratosphere of Anthony Davis's\Paul George\Westbrook is absolutely insane to me.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #407 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 4:45 pm

Kemba can actually leave Boston after 3 years, really interesting after hearing how important the 5th year was to him.

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Post #408 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 4:49 pm

Braggins wrote:This offseason is going to keep looking worse as more players on massive contracts (Westbrook next) get traded for big hauls...

Don't think Kemba could get close to what PG or AD netted, so not sure I agree with this.

I do think Westbrook would be more representative though, very curious what his return looks like.

Rich4114 · Post #409 » by **Rich4114** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 5:58 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:Kemba can actually leave Boston after 3 years, really interesting after hearing how important the 5th year was to him.

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Last year is a player option?

BlackOutBuzz · Post #410 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:09 pm

Rich4114 wrote:
BlackOutBuzz wrote:Kemba can actually leave Boston after 3 years, really interesting after hearing how important the 5th year was to him.

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Last year is a player option?

Yep, he got the absolute best deal he could outside of Charlotte. Could opt out at 32 and feasibly sign another big contract.

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BlackOutBuzz · Post #411 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:16 pm

With Kyrie's slight discount, Kemba's deal is actually the biggest PG contract signed this offseason. It's only behind Durant, Klay, Tobias, and Middleton on a per year basis. Overall value it's behind the above guys and Porzingis' 5-year deal. His contract value identical to Kawhi and Butler.

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Post #412 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:35 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:With Kyrie's slight discount, Kemba's deal is actually the biggest PG contract signed this offseason. It's only behind Durant, Klay, Tobias, and Middleton on a per year basis. Overall value it's behind the above guys and Porzingis' 5-year deal. His contract value identical to Kawhi and Butler.

Interesting - because IMO Walker is not on the same tier as a Durant, Klay or Kawhi.

And I think that Tobias, Middleton and Butler were all overpays.

Porzingis is harder to gauge because of the injuries.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #413 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:40 pm

BigSlam wrote:
BlackOutBuzz wrote:With Kyrie's slight discount, Kemba's deal is actually the biggest PG contract signed this offseason. It's only behind Durant, Klay, Tobias, and Middleton on a per year basis. Overall value it's behind the above guys and Porzingis' 5-year deal. His contract value identical to Kawhi and Butler.

Interesting - because IMO Walker is not on the same tier as a Durant, Klay or Kawhi.

And I think that Tobias, Middleton and Butler were all overpays.

Porzingis is harder to gauge because of the injuries.

It's an interesting mix, I agree he's below Durant and Kawhi but I'd put him on par with the likes of Klay, Butler, and Kyrie, and ahead of Tobias, Middleton, and Porzingis (wildcard though).

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JMAC3 · Post #414 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:33 pm

Point Guards
Terry Rozier
Devontae Graham

Wings (guys who can play 2/3)
Dwayne Bacon
Nic Batum
Malik Monk
Cody Martin

Forwards (guys who play 3/4)
Miles Bridges
Marvin Williams
PJ Washington
Michael Kidd Gilchrist
Arnoldas Kulboka- overseas?
Jalen McDaniels
Robert Franks- 2way

Centers
Cody Zeller
Bismack Biyombo
Willy Hernangomez

Looking at current breakdown by position we are pretty stacked at forwards but lack depth at wing and point guard.

Other 2 way options?
Josh Perkins- PG
Joe Chealey- PG
Caleb Martin- Wing
JP McCura- Wing

So basically we have 15 true roster spots available with 2 extra players being deemed two way guys.

Excluding Kulboka for now (might be in Europe) we have 14 guys who look to be on regular NBA contracts and 1 two way guy.

This leaves us with option to add 2 more players. I think Perkins is going to get the other 2 way deal from us, but not sure.

Canididates for last roster spot- Kulboka, Justin Holiday, Vince Carter, Caleb Martin, JP McCura or others.

What are your thoughts?

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Braggins · Post #415 » by **Braggins** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:35 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:This offseason is going to keep looking worse as more players on massive contracts (Westbrook next) get traded for big hauls...

Don't think Kemba could get close to what PG or AD netted, so not sure I agree with this.

I do think Westbrook would be more representative though, very curious what his return looks like.

AD and PG got historic hauls.

I think Kemba on a 5/190 contract would get more value than Westbrook at 4/170. Westbrook at his best is more impactful than Kemba, but Kemba has great intangibles across the board, no major injury history, and elite shooting to help his game age, whereas Westbrook has a reputation for being toxic, a history of major injuries, and no shooting or elite skills to rely once he loses his athleticism.

All Kemba would need to net in a trade to make signing him to the normal max and trading him later better than what the team actually did is something better than Rozier.

316Hornets · Post #416 » by **316Hornets** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 9:38 pm

Kemba got basically a 3 year contract at max money. He's going to try to sign another max at 32 now. It was a business move for him.

316Hornets · Post #417 » by **316Hornets** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:06 pm

Who is going to start at the 2?

Bacon? Does he have the defensive ability?

cornchip · Post #418 » by **cornchip** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:48 pm

If we were in contention or tried to make a playoff run, I would shore up the PG spot for sure. It would still behoove us to sign a vet at the position imo. Don't want Terry mentoring guys coming up at the position.

Post #419 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 10:51 pm

Braggins wrote:All Kemba would need to net in a trade to make signing him to the normal max and trading him later better than what the team actually did is something better than Rozier.

Yep, I agree with this.

JDuaneWayne · Post #420 » by **JDuaneWayne** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 11:14 pm

fatlever wrote:Lately, every time Mitch opens his mouth he says something asinine, which makes me lose a little bit more hope for our future.

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I posted this when someone said he's legit. He may be but to keep people thinking that, he should probably stop speaking and they should hire a press secretary. Good thing he doesn't tweet