Offseason 2025 Thread

[yosemiteben]

As always with this organization, keep your expectations low.

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unless they start selling draft picks, which seems very unlikely, we don't have a huge amount to trade with.

We have a bunch of stuff to trade. Nearly everyone on the roster is available at the right price, and we have draft assets and expirings.

Whatever direction they want to go, they have the tools to do it.

[Diop]

As always with this organization, keep your expectations low.

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unless they start selling draft picks, which seems very unlikely, we don't have a huge amount to trade with.

We have a bunch of stuff to trade. Nearly everyone on the roster is available at the right price, and we have draft assets and expirings.

Whatever direction they want to go, they have the tools to do it.

nothing overly valuable though, feels like a garage sale to me.

maybe im just overly cynical or pessimistic on this team, but i dont see anything overly valuable here outside number 4.
unless they do shop Ball hard, but even then i dont think they would get decent value because of the injuries

i am very happy to be proven wrong, just not expecting much

[MasterIchiro]

11 first round picks.
12 2nd round picks.
No bad contracts.
Expirings.
The full MLE.
Pick 4
Pick 33
Pick 34

Yeah, to say I will be upset if they do nothing is an understatement.

And it just doesn't fit precedent.

Jeff had an active deadline and didn't get fleeced. I think his deals were pretty solid.

[Man Strength]

I keep hearing 11 1sts over the next 7 years but I only count 10. What am I missing?

[HornetJail]

I keep hearing 11 1sts over the next 7 years but I only count 10. What am I missing?

they're including 8 drafts

[hoopsfan777]

Charlotte outgoing

Grant Williams
Josh Green

Orlando outgoing

Jonathan Issac

[Braggins]

Charlotte outgoing

Grant Williams
Josh Green

Orlando outgoing

Jonathan Issac

Interesting but its questionable for Charlotte to add more players with really significant injury risks imo. I like Isaac but I personally couldn't justify giving up what he is probably worth because of the compounded injury risk on this roster.

[HornetJail]

Isaac is basically a mythical creature, he might be worth it only for the cap savings, since the last 2.5 years of his contract are guaranteed. I'd just trade for him and waive/trade midway through the season so he doesn't hit his 52 games played threshold and trigger another year of guarantees.

[JMAC3]

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[fatlever]

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my yt algorithm knows whats up. just sat down, turned on yt. this was 1st on my recs. lol. watching now.

[MPM]

Vecenie on Mark: "He's really bad on defense right now" "...worse than Jalen Duren." Yep.

On the type of player we need in the draft: "They need someone who brings more competitive fire." Yep. He likes VJ.

Also say what we all know - mad frustrating to have good players that never play basketball.

"Very convoluted, very complicated situation in Charlotte right now" Yep.

[fatlever]

really highlights how far away we are talent wise

another source taking backhanded shots at old front office/ownership. highlight we finally have a real structure in place.

crazy part both sam and bryce very knowledgeable about our roster and injuries. they mention injuries alot... and yet i think they still grossly underestimated our injuries.
- miller - we have no idea how he'll look next yr after serious wrist surgery on shooting hand. it might take him a full yr to get back on track. i have no idea
- mann - they mention his injury, but downplay how serious missing a yr with nerve damage in lower back really is. another massive question mark. they suggest 10-12 mil/yr. i dont see other teams chasing mann with full mle. not after a back injury.

mark - money will repair the relationship. if you dont want to extend him early, then you should trade him. at least they mention how bad he is defensively. respect for that. mention center market is nuts.

back to injuries... yes... agree, you gotta change the core to get guys with better health records. cant have entire core injury prone. why ive been saying i expect one of the core to get moved this summer.

ace, vj, tre all make sense depending on how they feel about roster
sam says take vj - he politely says vj is what we need because he competes (unlike our team). maybe move up to 3 to secure him.
sam's fake trade 4, 33, drummond for 3. helps philly immensely money wise.

[MPM]

really highlights how far away we are talent wise

another source taking backhanded shots at old front office/ownership. highlight we finally have a real structure in place.

crazy part both sam and bryce very knowledgeable about our roster and injuries. they mention injuries alot... and yet i think they still grossly underestimated our injuries.
- miller - we have no idea how he'll look next yr after serious wrist surgery on shooting hand. it might take him a full yr to get back on track. i have no idea
- mann - they mention his injury, but downplay how serious missing a yr with nerve damage in lower back really is. another massive question mark. they suggest 10-12 mil/yr. i dont see other teams chasing mann with full mle. not after a back injury.

mark - money will repair the relationship. if you dont want to extend him early, then you should trade him. at least they mention how bad he is defensively. respect for that. mention center market is nuts.

back to injuries... yes... agree, you gotta change the core to get guys with better health records. cant have entire core injury prone. why ive been saying i expect one of the core to get moved this summer.

ace, vj, tre all make sense depending on how they feel about roster
sam says take vj - he politely says vj is what we need because he competes (unlike our team). maybe move up to 3 to secure him.
sam's fake trade 4, 33, drummond for 3. helps philly immensely money wise.

Interesting takes for sure - as you say, surprised at how well versed they are with our core issues.

[fatlever]

And the 400th person we've heard say that they fear the Hornets would be a bad situation for ace because culture here would lean in to all of his bad habits.

[JMAC3]

They mentioned that who they would draft would depend on what our plans our with team.
If we are keeping Melo- they like VJ.
If the plan might be trade LaMelo- they would look to draft Bailey or Tre Johnson.

[fatlever]

They mentioned that who they would draft would depend on what our plans our with team.
If we are keeping Melo- they like VJ.
If the plan might be trade LaMelo- they would look to draft Bailey or Tre Johnson.

very much agree
ace moves up to 3rd for me if we just say **** it and blow it up. take the huge swing. let ace try to play 1st option. be awful and try for top 4 again next year

[MasterIchiro]

They mentioned that who they would draft would depend on what our plans our with team.
If we are keeping Melo- they like VJ.
If the plan might be trade LaMelo- they would look to draft Bailey or Tre Johnson.

What is their rationale for this?

[JDR720]

I actually wouldn't do the Philly trade. The difference between these guys isn't all that much.

I would use both the 2nd round picks though. Use them on solid upperclassmen to get some depth on the bench.

[Braggins]

mark - money will repair the relationship. if you dont want to extend him early, then you should trade him. at least they mention how bad he is defensively. respect for that. mention center market is nuts.

He definitely has some problems on defense but I think part of why he has been bad on defense is similar to when PJ was "bad" on defense here. I think some players stop giving full effort when it becomes clear that the team isn't going to be competitive, which usually has happened pretty early in the season with this franchise.

With PJ I think losing would get him down and discouraged and he would stop caring. Mark is pretty naturally laid back, but I also think his injuries probably factored in this as well. Its probably not easy to motivate yourself to really go hard when you are recovering from a serious injury while playing for a tanking Hornets team.

Why I point this is out is that I think his long term outlook on defense might be better than people are thinking. I don't think this is a case of a guy who is simply an awful defender and needs to take a massive leap just to be average. I think with full commitment and normal expected improvement he could be a positive on defense to some extent. Maybe never a world beater, but also I don't think he is doomed to always be less than average.

[yosemiteben]

They mentioned that who they would draft would depend on what our plans our with team.
If we are keeping Melo- they like VJ.
If the plan might be trade LaMelo- they would look to draft Bailey or Tre Johnson.

What is their rationale for this?

Good question, curious about this too