The 2013 free agency thread.

[MasterIchiro]

Mayo is a SG that is not that much of a step up from what we have

Cho stated before the draft we need perimeter shooting so the skill fits no question and compared to Henderson's 3 pt shot there is no comparison.

[Snidely FC]

Offer Boston the Portland pick and Ben Gordon for Jeff Green, Courtney Lee, and a draft pick.

I like this trade and would do it, though with Zeller at PF & MKG at SG I'm not sure mgmt would want to trade for Green.

[Snidely FC]

Mayo is a SG that is not that much of a step up from what we have

Cho stated before the draft we need perimeter shooting so the skill fits no question and compared to Henderson's 3 pt shot there is no comparison.

i'd rather bring in a stabilizing force as a shooter, Francisco Garcia or Mike Dunleavy, both who should also be less expensive that Mayo.

[BeesWax]

Mayo is a SG that is not that much of a step up from what we have

Cho stated before the draft we need perimeter shooting so the skill fits no question and compared to Henderson's 3 pt shot there is no comparison.

We could probably get Korver for cheaper. We can get shooters without adding poor attitude chemistry killers.

[MasterIchiro]

Mayo is a SG that is not that much of a step up from what we have

Cho stated before the draft we need perimeter shooting so the skill fits no question and compared to Henderson's 3 pt shot there is no comparison.

We could probably get Korver for cheaper. We can get shooters without adding poor attitude chemistry killers.

Mayo is a primary or secondary scoring option. He would be #1 on the Hornets.

[BeesWax]

Cho stated before the draft we need perimeter shooting so the skill fits no question and compared to Henderson's 3 pt shot there is no comparison.

We could probably get Korver for cheaper. We can get shooters without adding poor attitude chemistry killers.

Mayo is a primary or secondary scoring option. He would be #1 on the Hornets.

Also if he isn't at some point he would pout cause problems and try to destroy the team. Stay the course don't ruin everything by adding a cancerous personality that is not going to make this team a whole lot better.

[MasterIchiro]

#1 scoring option = better team.

[BeesWax]

Major cancerous personality = HORRIBLE IDEA

[MasterIchiro]

Major cancerous personality = HORRIBLE IDEA

The shot to Mayo’s groin was so perplexing (it didn’t even look like it hurt) that the Dallas guard was more concerned for DMC’s mental state than he was for his lower regions.

“That guy has some mental issues, man. He’s a talented player. He has an opportunity to be the face of that organization, but I don’t think he wants it. He’s immature, man. Big maturity problem. Hopefully, he’ll grow up out of it and become great. He definitely has the talent to.”

[BeesWax]

Major cancerous personality = HORRIBLE IDEA

The shot to Mayo’s groin was so perplexing (it didn’t even look like it hurt) that the Dallas guard was more concerned for DMC’s mental state than he was for his lower regions.

“That guy has some mental issues, man. He’s a talented player. He has an opportunity to be the face of that organization, but I don’t think he wants it. He’s immature, man. Big maturity problem. Hopefully, he’ll grow up out of it and become great. He definitely has the talent to.”

So it is settled don't add either of them.

[MasterIchiro]

Someone takes a shot at your groin and you have the grace to not retaliate on the court and the decency to point out your attacker's talent and yet somehow you are a cancerous personality? mkay.

The irony is the Bobcats were interested and STILL ARE in Cousins. Culture is formed by diversity so as long as you have a good blend of coaches and boy scout players forming the majority, you can accommodate a primary scorer and/or prolific big man. At some point skill matters even if it is a bad boy. The Pistons won a championship with a whole team of Mayos and Cousins's.

We are no longer the Bobcats as soon as the gates open 2013-2014 and if I'm MJ I do everything I can to escape the label.

We've got Ewing for Cousins. We've got Price for Mayo. Bring on the cancers.

GO HORNETS

Float like a butterfly sting like a bee!

[BeesWax]

:lol:

Someone takes a shot at your groin and you have the grace to not retaliate on the court and the decency to point out your attacker's talent and yet somehow you are a cancerous personality? mkay.

The irony is the Bobcats were interested and STILL ARE in Cousins. Culture is formed by diversity so as long as you have a good blend of coaches and boy scout players forming the majority, you can accommodate a primary scorer and/or prolific big man. At some point skill matters even if it is a bad boy. The Pistons won a championship with a whole team of Mayos and Cousins's.

We are no longer the Bobcats as soon as the gates open 2013-2014 and if I'm MJ I do everything I can to escape the label.

We've got Ewing for Cousins. We've got Price for Mayo. Bring on the cancers.

GO HORNETS

Float like a butterfly sting like a bee!

I am fine with escaping the label but I would not touch Mayo with a 10 foot pole. He is a bad idea and would set out team back 5 years. If we went through this entire rebuild for Zeller and Mayo we should just send the team to Seattle now.

This could seriously be the worst idea the team would have ever had and I am including Morrison in that.

[MasterIchiro]

:lol:

Someone takes a shot at your groin and you have the grace to not retaliate on the court and the decency to point out your attacker's talent and yet somehow you are a cancerous personality? mkay.

The irony is the Bobcats were interested and STILL ARE in Cousins. Culture is formed by diversity so as long as you have a good blend of coaches and boy scout players forming the majority, you can accommodate a primary scorer and/or prolific big man. At some point skill matters even if it is a bad boy. The Pistons won a championship with a whole team of Mayos and Cousins's.

We are no longer the Bobcats as soon as the gates open 2013-2014 and if I'm MJ I do everything I can to escape the label.

We've got Ewing for Cousins. We've got Price for Mayo. Bring on the cancers.

GO HORNETS

Float like a butterfly sting like a bee!

I am fine with escaping the label but I would not touch Mayo with a 10 foot pole. He is a bad idea and would set out team back 5 years. If we went through this entire rebuild for Zeller and Mayo we should just send the team to Seattle now.

This could seriously be the worst idea the team would have ever had and I am including Morrison in that.

Pure hyperbole.

[BeesWax]

:lol:

Someone takes a shot at your groin and you have the grace to not retaliate on the court and the decency to point out your attacker's talent and yet somehow you are a cancerous personality? mkay.

The irony is the Bobcats were interested and STILL ARE in Cousins. Culture is formed by diversity so as long as you have a good blend of coaches and boy scout players forming the majority, you can accommodate a primary scorer and/or prolific big man. At some point skill matters even if it is a bad boy. The Pistons won a championship with a whole team of Mayos and Cousins's.

We are no longer the Bobcats as soon as the gates open 2013-2014 and if I'm MJ I do everything I can to escape the label.

We've got Ewing for Cousins. We've got Price for Mayo. Bring on the cancers.

GO HORNETS

Float like a butterfly sting like a bee!

I am fine with escaping the label but I would not touch Mayo with a 10 foot pole. He is a bad idea and would set out team back 5 years. If we went through this entire rebuild for Zeller and Mayo we should just send the team to Seattle now.

This could seriously be the worst idea the team would have ever had and I am including Morrison in that.

Pure hyperbole.

No I believe it would be worse. At the point we picked Morrison it looked like we had a plan. It flopped and became a bad deal but we seemed to have some sort of goal. This move looks like a desperate attempt to please fans and not sticking to the rebuild plan and finishing the build. Just jump back on the tread mill and disappoint for years to come.

[MasterIchiro]

I am fine with escaping the label but I would not touch Mayo with a 10 foot pole. He is a bad idea and would set out team back 5 years. If we went through this entire rebuild for Zeller and Mayo we should just send the team to Seattle now.

This could seriously be the worst idea the team would have ever had and I am including Morrison in that.

Pure hyperbole.

No I believe it would be worse. At the point we picked Morrison it looked like we had a plan. It flopped and became a bad deal but we seemed to have some sort of goal. This move looks like a desperate attempt to please fans and not sticking to the rebuild plan and finishing the build. Just jump back on the tread mill and disappoint for years to come.

A treadmill team is old. We are young and hungry.

[BeesWax]

Pure hyperbole.

No I believe it would be worse. At the point we picked Morrison it looked like we had a plan. It flopped and became a bad deal but we seemed to have some sort of goal. This move looks like a desperate attempt to please fans and not sticking to the rebuild plan and finishing the build. Just jump back on the tread mill and disappoint for years to come.

A treadmill team is old. We are young and hungry.

No a treadmill team is barely good enough to be the 7th or 8th seed and not good enough to go further. That way they get no good draft picks and don't have a real chance to win. Wasting the amount of money it will take to sign Mayo will put us on this path.

[MasterIchiro]

No I believe it would be worse. At the point we picked Morrison it looked like we had a plan. It flopped and became a bad deal but we seemed to have some sort of goal. This move looks like a desperate attempt to please fans and not sticking to the rebuild plan and finishing the build. Just jump back on the tread mill and disappoint for years to come.

A treadmill team is old. We are young and hungry.

No a treadmill team is barely good enough to be the 7th or 8th seed and not good enough to go further.

That assumes zero improvement which is an unreasonable assumption for a young, hungry team wearing new jerseys and backed by actual fans sitting in actual seats, cheering actually, roaring even.

[fatlever]

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/29 ... -agents/3/

the evil sheridan hoops has hendo ranked #26 on their list

26. Gerald Henderson (Shooting Guard, Charlotte Bobcats)

If he played in a bigger market, we would hear much more about him. The Bobcats cannot really afford to let talented young players go, but at 25 years old and just turning in 15.5 points, 3.7 rebounds and 2.6 assists per game last season, the best is yet to come. Whether or not Michael Jordan’s team is willing to open up the checkbook for Henderson will determine if he leaves Charlotte.

[JMAC3]

Fact is there are going to be teams specifically tanking. Not just because they do not have the talent, but actually throwing games for this draft class. Do you want our young guys to be a part of that???

I have a hard time seeing us finish with a record in the bottom 5, with the way our young guys compete and the improvements that we will see from Kemba, MKG, and Biz. Then you add in Zeller who should be our most competent scoring big.

To me adding Mayo over bringing back Hendo makes a much more dynamic team. Mayo is a knock down three point shooter, a great distributor(4.4 assists pg) and can be a go to scorer in crunch time.

The thing I also like about Mayo is he is still young at 25 so he can be part of our core going forward. I think he would look at this as an opportunity to still be one of the main players on a team, but also have the opportunity of being a contender down the road.

Also, this talk about Mayo being a cancer is ridiculous. I have never thought of him in that way and he was very professional for the Mavericks this season even though he knew they were not contending. If you know anything about Mayo, you know that he is a really relaxed assassin. Takes his job professionally and expects to hit big shots, he does not go nuts every time he makes a play. He is a bit Tim Duncan manured.

The only time I can think of negative things with him, was in Memphis when he was performing very well in the starting lineup, as in 20 ppg. They moved him into the 6th man role, which cut his minutes in half for a player that is by far not as talented, in Tony Allen. I think it was a decent idea in Memphis, but they did not use Mayo in the right role and his production and effectiveness dipped, making his value decrease. Hence the 1 yr deal with Dallas where he only made 4.3 million.

I think this team would have an outside chance at making the playoffs, but if we finished in the range of he 7th-12th worst team lets say, we would still have the ability to jump into the top 3, if it happens it happens. There is no guarantee either way that we will be a top 3 team when it comes to drafting. Then we also have the chance at another pick via Portland or Detroit. This leads us to three options...

1. We package the picks to move as high as we can in the draft.
2. We take BPA and keep building our team.
3. We take the two picks and maybe add in another current piece(Biz) to deal for another good piece to build on such as a Horford, Love or Monroe.

I know it is tempting to sit back and pray every morning for Wiggins, but when 10 other teams have that in mind, I do not like our odds.

Add in the Celtics for going full tank, as they are looking to move Rondo to Mavs....

As far as being a treadmill team, to me a treadmill team is a team that is capped out, can't seem to get out of first round and do not have young pieces who have room for improvement.

So to you guys clearly the Pacers are a treadmill team, or at least were one, because they did not tank over and over again to land 3 top 5 picks, but instead made smart trades, added veterans, and let their young guys develop into their own by putting them in winning situations.

A team of

Kemba-Mayo-MKG-Zeller-Biz

Is the opposite of a treadmill team, it is a young and upcoming roster that has no bad contracts and plenty of room for improvement. Also, we would still have assets in terms of draft picks that could be used to add depth or turn into pieces to win now and turn the corner into a contender.

I think we will still find a good player at 10 next year in the draft, especially maybe a center if Biz does not develop the way we want. WCS, Hammons, or Austin should be in that range. Also, we can add a nice guard to our bench such as Gary Harris, Wayne Seldon, or James Young.

Sorry for typing this book, but I just posted it all in one post rather than spread over 5 over the next two hours.

[MasterIchiro]

Fact is there are going to be teams specifically tanking. Not just because they do not have the talent, but actually throwing games for this draft class. Do you want our young guys to be a part of that???

I have a hard time seeing us finish with a record in the bottom 5, with the way our young guys compete and the improvements that we will see from Kemba, MKG, and Biz. Then you add in Zeller who should be our most competent scoring big.

To me adding Mayo over bringing back Hendo makes a much more dynamic team. Mayo is a knock down three point shooter, a great distributor(4.4 assists pg) and can be a go to scorer in crunch time.

The thing I also like about Mayo is he is still young at 25 so he can be part of our core going forward. I think he would look at this as an opportunity to still be one of the main players on a team, but also have the opportunity of being a contender down the road.

Also, this talk about Mayo being a cancer is ridiculous. I have never thought of him in that way and he was very professional for the Mavericks this season even though he knew they were not contending. If you know anything about Mayo, you know that he is a really relaxed assassin. Takes his job professionally and expects to hit big shots, he does not go nuts every time he makes a play. He is a bit Tim Duncan manured.

The only time I can think of negative things with him, was in Memphis when he was performing very well in the starting lineup, as in 20 ppg. They moved him into the 6th man role, which cut his minutes in half for a player that is by far not as talented, in Tony Allen. I think it was a decent idea in Memphis, but they did not use Mayo in the right role and his production and effectiveness dipped, making his value decrease. Hence the 1 yr deal with Dallas where he only made 4.3 million.

I think this team would have an outside chance at making the playoffs, but if we finished in the range of he 7th-12th worst team lets say, we would still have the ability to jump into the top 3, if it happens it happens. There is no guarantee either way that we will be a top 3 team when it comes to drafting. Then we also have the chance at another pick via Portland or Detroit. This leads us to three options...

1. We package the picks to move as high as we can in the draft.
2. We take BPA and keep building our team.
3. We take the two picks and maybe add in another current piece(Biz) to deal for another good piece to build on such as a Horford, Love or Monroe.

I know it is tempting to sit back and pray every morning for Wiggins, but when 10 other teams have that in mind, I do not like our odds.

Add in the Celtics for going full tank, as they are looking to move Rondo to Mavs....

As far as being a treadmill team, to me a treadmill team is a team that is capped out, can't seem to get out of first round and do not have young pieces who have room for improvement.

So to you guys clearly the Pacers are a treadmill team, or at least were one, because they did not tank over and over again to land 3 top 5 picks, but instead made smart trades, added veterans, and let their young guys develop into their own by putting them in winning situations.

A team of

Kemba-Mayo-MKG-Zeller-Biz

Is the opposite of a treadmill team, it is a young and upcoming roster that has no bad contracts and plenty of room for improvement. Also, we would still have assets in terms of draft picks that could be used to add depth or turn into pieces to win now and turn the corner into a contender.

I think we will still find a good player at 10 next year in the draft, especially maybe a center if Biz does not develop the way we want. WCS, Hammons, or Austin should be in that range. Also, we can add a nice guard to our bench such as Gary Harris, Wayne Seldon, or James Young.

Sorry for typing this book, but I just posted it all in one post rather than spread over 5 over the next two hours.

+1 again from me. I know I gave you crap about the Bobcats draft board and I apologize for that but I do enjoy and appreciate your posts. I'm totally sold on the idea of letting these young players loose to gel and improve. If we finish with the 7-10th pick because we added Mayo, so be it. We could draft WCS 7-10 and add complimentary players with the POR and DET picks via draft depending on how those teams finish or trade. I would think WCS + a top 1 protected pick from DET 2015 and the POR 2016 unprotected is plenty enough to add a good young center like Cousins or Monroe or Kanter who would be walking into a situation with great coaching and a growing culture of winning and competing not tanking. We would probably be able to dump Tyrus Thomas in that deal as well.

2014-2015

Kemba Walker
O.J. Mayo
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Cody Zeller/Biz
DeMarcus Cousins or Monroe or Kanter///Biz

Hardly a treadmill team at all. When that team reaches its full potential they're better than a Pacer team that nearly bounced a superteam late in the playoffs. Our biggest hurdle to a Championship over the years will be Cleveland with Irving, Waiters, Lebron II, Bennett and Thompson.