The Marvin Gaye Williams Thread

babyjax13 · Post #421 » by **babyjax13** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:42 pm

catch20two wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:You guys are going to like Marvin, he is really underrated. Absolutely a starting quality player or EXCELLENT off the bench. Plays very good defense at both forward positions. He played best as a stretch 4.

How come he didn't help y'all win games then? Lol

How come Emeka Okafor didn't help you win? Our team was a scrap heap, he was one of the bright spots.

Post #422 » by **JDR720** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:44 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
catch20two wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:You guys are going to like Marvin, he is really underrated. Absolutely a starting quality player or EXCELLENT off the bench. Plays very good defense at both forward positions. He played best as a stretch 4.

How come he didn't help y'all win games then? Lol

How come Emeka Okafor didn't help you win? Our team was a scrap heap, he was one of the bright spots.

catch is just being negative, he hates Williams for some reason lol

Liver_Pooty · Post #423 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:50 pm

There is a reason why a Utah poster came on here last night and wanted to murder Cho, and a reason why a lot of Utah fans wanted Marvin back. He had a pretty damn good year last year.

Elden Payton · Post #424 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:13 pm

fatlever wrote:@sik - why are you a fan of marvin? the guy is the definition of vanilla, average, mediocre, forgettable.

i dont think anybody hates marvin, but i am shocked to find out people root for him. what has he ever done to be worthy of admiration (speaking from an on the court standpoint, because i have a good feeling he is probably a fantastic guy in the locker room)?

marvin is basically the same player he was 9 year ago. he never improved. he never worked on his game. he never made the concerted effort to refine his body and skills to become either a small forward or a power forward. if he wanted to become a small forward he should have developed his dribbling passing and shooting (only very recently has he shown a small improvement in 3pt shooting). if he wanted to become a power forward he should have added strength and worked on his rebounding. he is a miserable rebounder for a power forward and barely an average rebounder for a small forward.

the comparisons to a forward version of gerald henderson are spot on, only if henderson was older and his body was breaking down due to injuries and he didnt have a nasty streak.

and all that being said, marvin is a OK player to have on your roster because he is able to play both forward spots, he can shoot a little and he seems to be a great teammate. buy holy crap, you dont give that guy 7 **** million a season.

at best marvin should be making 4 mil.

I've always been a Marvin fan, and followed his career since I first found out about him in Slam mag, in about 03-04, I was stoked when he committed to the tarheels, and stoked when he won the '05 NCAA tourney with them.

Marvin is a versatile player, he can play both the 3 and 4, he shoots it well, he moves the ball (although doesn't generate assists), he can defend 2-4 and rebounds decently (though not at a great clip)

He's ridiculously unselfish and from every article, interview etc, you could tell the guy is all class.

He's not a great player, he's a good player though and is not deserving of the hate for being picked second, people can hate on his development all they want, but it would have been hard on those Atlanta teams which were 90 percent swingmen or bigs.

This guy will start for us until either Zeller or Vonleh are ready, it's a stop gap but in terms of stop gaps, this guy is pretty good.

Also I wasn't aware that model professionals, who are class people, didn't deserve adoration?

Maybe we should all just adore woman bashers like Stephenson because "he has talent"

NCHeels2008 · Post #425 » by **NCHeels2008** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:54 pm

We aren't picking a church here, I would settle for a team of mostly likable guys who win over "great guys" who are overpaid and lead us back to the lottery.

Elden Payton · Post #426 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:57 pm

NCHeels2008 wrote:We aren't picking a church here, I would settle for a team of mostly likable guys who win over "great guys" who are overpaid and lead us back to the lottery.

I never claimed we were.

My point is that Williams suits what our FO is trying to do.

Post #427 » by **Diop** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:20 am

I think the overpay was the only way we could guarantee to sign Marvin here, especially on a 2 year contract.

I think when Cho identifies his target he tries to minimize any risk in not getting them.

I read that was the reason why we didn't trade back in the MKG draft, as MKG was identified as our best option and they didn't want to risk not getting him. (not saying I agree, just seeing a pattern in Cho's style)

mrknowitall215 · Post #428 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:21 am

Sachmo wrote:I think the overpay was the only way we could guarantee to sign Marvin here, especially on a 2 year contract.

I think when Cho identifies his target he tries to minimize any risk in not getting them.

I read that was the reason why we didn't trade back in the MKG draft, as MKG was identified as our best option and they didn't want to risk not getting him. (not saying I agree, just seeing a pattern in Cho's style)

...same with Zeller on draft day too

Liver_Pooty · Post #429 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:23 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Sachmo wrote:I think the overpay was the only way we could guarantee to sign Marvin here, especially on a 2 year contract.

I think when Cho identifies his target he tries to minimize any risk in not getting them.

I read that was the reason why we didn't trade back in the MKG draft, as MKG was identified as our best option and they didn't want to risk not getting him. (not saying I agree, just seeing a pattern in Cho's style)

...same with Zeller on draft day too

Zeller has worked out nicely compared to others, especially the way Clifford talks about him.

mrknowitall215 · Post #430 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:25 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
Sachmo wrote:I think the overpay was the only way we could guarantee to sign Marvin here, especially on a 2 year contract.

I think when Cho identifies his target he tries to minimize any risk in not getting them.

I read that was the reason why we didn't trade back in the MKG draft, as MKG was identified as our best option and they didn't want to risk not getting him. (not saying I agree, just seeing a pattern in Cho's style)

...same with Zeller on draft day too

Zeller has worked out nicely compared to others, especially the way Clifford talks about him.

I still preferred Noel at the time, but I've warmed up to Zeller compared to the options other than a trade down to try to get Kelly Olynyk & Shabazz Muhammad in which is only hindsight whereas I didn't know if that offer was on the table. Like I've stated several times beforehand, I'm happy Cho took Zeller over McLemore

Liver_Pooty · Post #431 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:29 am

mrknowitall215 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
mrknowitall215 wrote:
...same with Zeller on draft day too

Zeller has worked out nicely compared to others, especially the way Clifford talks about him.

I still preferred Noel at the time, but I've warmed up to Zeller compared to the options other than a trade down to try to get Kelly Olynyk & Shabazz Muhammad in which is only hindsight whereas I didn't know if that offer was on the table. Like I've stated several times beforehand, I'm happy Cho took Zeller over McLemore

Id take anyone over McLemore at this point

Joest2003 · Post #432 » by **Joest2003** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:55 am

Post #433 » by **JDR720** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:04 am

Joest2003 wrote:Who?

Marvelous Marvin will lead us to the playoffs!

trins · Post #434 » by **trins** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:05 am

All of our signings currently expires in 2 years. Even Al expires in 2 years, are we targeting Durant or something ? lol.

Elden Payton · Post #435 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:06 am

trins wrote:All of our signings currently expires in 2 years. Even Al expires in 2 years, are we targeting Durant or something ? lol.

2016 FA class is STACKED.

New TV deal comes into play, salary cap projected at 80+ million.

RichBoy923 · Post #436 » by **RichBoy923** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:07 am

KD is going home to DC

Post #437 » by **JDR720** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:07 am

Sik Infant wrote:
trins wrote:All of our signings currently expires in 2 years. Even Al expires in 2 years, are we targeting Durant or something ? lol.

2016 FA class is STACKED.

New TV deal comes into play, salary cap projected at 80+ million.

we gonna throw the house at Anthony Davis

Elden Payton · Post #438 » by **Elden Payton** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:09 am

JDR720 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
trins wrote:All of our signings currently expires in 2 years. Even Al expires in 2 years, are we targeting Durant or something ? lol.

2016 FA class is STACKED.

New TV deal comes into play, salary cap projected at 80+ million.

we gonna throw the house at Anthony Davis

RichBoy923 · Post #439 » by **RichBoy923** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:09 am

JDR720 wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:
trins wrote:All of our signings currently expires in 2 years. Even Al expires in 2 years, are we targeting Durant or something ? lol.

2016 FA class is STACKED.

New TV deal comes into play, salary cap projected at 80+ million.

we gonna throw the house at Anthony Davis

Just another reason to keep MKG around

mrknowitall215 · Post #440 » by **mrknowitall215** » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:09 am

trins wrote:All of our signings currently expires in 2 years. Even Al expires in 2 years, are we targeting Durant or something ? lol.

My hope is that Anthony Davis has a fallout with the Pelicans' front office & their direction of losing over the next couple years, and he become a free agent. It's totally unforeseen, outlandish, and unlikely, but I have high hopes & dreams like that sometimes