BrandHIM Miller: The Brandon Miller Thread

[Giddf]

Sure it is. You are evaluating Miller that way. We have shown how against high level athletes his size he fades. He failed against Leaky Black badly and Leaky is considered borderline to get drafted. What he is is 6'8 and highly athletic and a good defender. It appears Miller will struggle against the size and ability of people he will see on a regular basis based off what we have seen against guys in his size range and NBA level athletic ability. Can you find me someone who struggled so dramatically against good competition that went on to excel and perform at a high level regularly in the NBA?

Everyone makes some concessions for their guy and I get that but to dog one player endlessly while overlooking the weaknesses of the other doesn't help.

He had 36 vs Julian Strawther (a lot people like him at pick 27)
He had 41 vs GG Jackson (a lot of people like him as high as 15)
He had 38 in two games vs Anthony Black and Jordan Walsh (considered 2 of the best defenders in the class) 11/19 shooting those 2 games. Oh Ricky Council will be drafted too
He had 35 in two games vs Missouri and Kobe Brown on 12/23 shooting
He had 19 vs Cason Wallace, Chris Livingston and Oscar Tshebiwa
He had 24 vs Izzo and Mi st
He had 18 vs National title Uconn Andre Jackson, Sonogo, Hawkins


Plenty of games vs NBA talent that he was fine in.

Gonzaga is a bad defense (rank 261 in opp ppg out of 352 teams) and Strawther is not an NBA caliber defender either.
South Carolina another terrible defense (rank 252 in opp ppg)
Arkansas has two good defensive prospects in Black and Walsh. Both of those guys were freshmen and ARK. But yeah, he had two nice games against ARK. ARK (rank 113 in opp ppg)
Missouri is another low-ranked NCAA defense (rank 292 in opp ppg!!!)
Sure, Cason is by far the best defensive prospect on that team but he's 6'2 and wouldn't be guarding bmiller. but ok. Livingston and Tshebiwe are nowhere near NBA caliber defenders. Kentucky is also outside the top 100 in opp ppg.
He shot 8/19 in this game. It was solid but not some dominant performance.
In a game where Alabama got destroyed by 15+ points and he shot 5/15 lol.

In games against top NCAA defenses like SDSU (rank 26 in opp ppg), Houston (rank 2 in opp ppg), Tennessee (rank 3 in opp ppg), UCONN (rank 30 in opp ppg), Maryland (rank 27 in opp ppg), Texas A&M (rank 70 in opp ppg) . He shot poorly routinely.

Against SDSU : 3/19 for 9 points
Against Houston : 0/8 for 8 points
Against Tennessee: 4/11 for 15 points
Against UCONN (game you used as a point for him lmao) : 5/15 for 18 points
Against Maryland : 5/17 for 19 points
Against Texas A&M : 7/23 for 19 points, 5/20 for 23 points

Even a team like UNC who weren't good defensively but have a NBA caliber defensive wing in Leaky Black made him shoot poorly.
Against UNC : 4/21 for 14 points

There is plenty evidence Miller bullies bad defensive competition and falls off against good defenses. Especially ones who can stick a good wing defender on him. Which pretty much every nba team has multiple of these days.

[KingCat]

Miller is a flat track bully. I don't think that means he is gonna bust, but he will surely be shell shocked by NBA athletes.

I think it's gonna take him a few years to reach his potential if he gets there. I'm not confident Scoot will be the better player over all, but I'm pretty sure he is gonna have a better first 1 to 3 years in the league

[JMAC3]

Sure it is. You are evaluating Miller that way. We have shown how against high level athletes his size he fades. He failed against Leaky Black badly and Leaky is considered borderline to get drafted. What he is is 6'8 and highly athletic and a good defender. It appears Miller will struggle against the size and ability of people he will see on a regular basis based off what we have seen against guys in his size range and NBA level athletic ability. Can you find me someone who struggled so dramatically against good competition that went on to excel and perform at a high level regularly in the NBA?

Everyone makes some concessions for their guy and I get that but to dog one player endlessly while overlooking the weaknesses of the other doesn't help.

He had 36 vs Julian Strawther (a lot people like him at pick 27)
He had 41 vs GG Jackson (a lot of people like him as high as 15)
He had 38 in two games vs Anthony Black and Jordan Walsh (considered 2 of the best defenders in the class) 11/19 shooting those 2 games. Oh Ricky Council will be drafted too
He had 35 in two games vs Missouri and Kobe Brown on 12/23 shooting
He had 19 vs Cason Wallace, Chris Livingston and Oscar Tshebiwa
He had 24 vs Izzo and Mi st
He had 18 vs National title Uconn Andre Jackson, Sonogo, Hawkins


Plenty of games vs NBA talent that he was fine in.

Gonzaga is a bad defense (rank 261 in opp ppg out of 352 teams) and Strawther is not an NBA caliber defender either.
South Carolina another terrible defense (rank 252 in opp ppg)
Arkansas has two good defensive prospects in Black and Walsh. Both of those guys were freshmen and ARK. But yeah, he had two nice games against ARK. ARK (rank 113 in opp ppg)
Missouri is another low-ranked NCAA defense (rank 292 in opp ppg!!!)
Sure, Cason is by far the best defensive prospect on that team but he's 6'2 and wouldn't be guarding bmiller. but ok. Livingston and Tshebiwe are nowhere near NBA caliber defenders. Kentucky is also outside the top 100 in opp ppg.
He shot 8/19 in this game. It was solid but not some dominant performance.
In a game where Alabama got destroyed by 15+ points and he shot 5/15 lol.

In games against top NCAA defenses like SDSU (rank 26 in opp ppg), Houston (rank 2 in opp ppg), Tennessee (rank 3 in opp ppg), UCONN (rank 30 in opp ppg), Maryland (rank 27 in opp ppg), Texas A&M (rank 70 in opp ppg) . He shot poorly routinely.

Against SDSU : 3/19 for 9 points
Against Houston : 0/8 for 8 points
Against Tennessee: 4/11 for 15 points
Against UCONN (game you used as a point for him lmao) : 5/15 for 18 points
Against Maryland : 5/17 for 19 points
Against Texas A&M : 7/23 for 19 points, 5/20 for 23 points

Even a team like UNC who weren't good defensively but have a NBA caliber defensive wing in Leaky Black made him shoot poorly.
Against UNC : 4/21 for 14 points

There is plenty evidence Miller bullies bad defensive competition and falls off against good defenses. Especially ones who can stick a good wing defender on him. Which pretty much every nba team has multiple of these days.

Love how quickly you just discredited 12 future NBA players, but sure.

Out of those 6 games you posted, 3 of them came at the end of the year once the hamstring had already been announced in Tx am, SDSU and MD. I think you have to at least factor that in some.

For sure he had some stinkers, but I really am not going to call 18 points on 15 shot awful nor am I going to call 15 points on 11 shots awful. Basically if he shot 50% on 15 shots I would expect around 18 points, same with 50% on 11 shots around 15. Not going to freak out because he got his points at free throw line vs making a bucket.

[Bassman]

When you are THE focal point of team offense, defenses are going to try and shut you down…making others beat you. Miller as a college freshman did pretty well most nights but he also tried too hard to overcome these challenges. Learning curve.

[Snidely FC]

Scoot is a flat track bully. I don't think that means he is gonna bust, but he will surely be shell shocked by NBA athletes.

I think it's gonna take him a few years to reach his potential if he gets there. I'm not confident Miller will be the better player over all, but I'm pretty sure he is gonna have a better first 1 to 3 years in the league

Fixed it for you

Scoot's shooting percentage in 9 out of his 19 league games was 37% or less
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Scoot-Henderson/GameLogs/151559/D-League/2023/Reg
Scoot's shooting percentage "plummeted" in half the games he played
he must not be very good against teams that have a certain kind of defender, and surely he will face those same type of defenders in the NBA

just painting with the same magic paintbrush you use

[Giddf]

When you are THE focal point of team offense, defenses are going to try and shut you down…making others beat you. Miller as a college freshman did pretty well most nights but he also tried too hard to overcome these challenges. Learning curve.

This would be a fair point if it were actually true. Yes, Brandon Miller was Alabama's most important offensive player but he wasn't their "driver of offense". He averages 2 assists a game, that's fourth on the team, and had more turnovers than assists. 53% of his shot attempts were from 3 and 81% of his 3-pt makes were assisted. He wasn't initiating for them. He was more of a spot-up shooter with some occasional on-ball responsibility. Alabama was also one of the most well-spaced and deepest teams in the nation. He wasn't getting blanketed by defenses in any of these games. He just simply struggled to generate separation and score against better, stronger, bigger, more athletic defenders. He was also the age of your average college sophomore during his freshman season. So that has to be taken into account as well. He's not a true freshman.

Learning curve? maybe but to me it seems more like an obvious limitation.

If you want to see a case of a primary creator getting blanketed by defenses because of their teammates I would take a look at Scoot Henderson instead.

[KingCat]

When you are THE focal point of team offense, defenses are going to try and shut you down…making others beat you. Miller as a college freshman did pretty well most nights but he also tried too hard to overcome these challenges. Learning curve.

This would be a fair point if it were actually true. Yes, Brandon Miller was Alabama's most important offensive player but he wasn't their "driver of offense". He averages 2 assists a game, that's fourth on the team, and had more turnovers than assists. 53% of his shot attempts were from 3 and 81% of his 3-pt makes were assisted. He wasn't initiating for them. He was more of a spot-up shooter with some occasional on-ball responsibility. Alabama was also one of the most well-spaced and deepest teams in the nation. He wasn't getting blanketed by defenses in any of these games. He just simply struggled to generate separation and score against better, stronger, bigger, more athletic defenders. He was also the age of your average college sophomore during his freshman season. So that has to be taken into account as well. He's not a true freshman.

Learning curve? maybe but to me it seems more like an obvious limitation.

If you want to see a case of a primary creator getting blanketed by defenses because of their teammates I would take a look at Scoot Henderson instead.

It's also such a unconvincing argument. If you are truly a top 2 prospect in a pretty strong draft, then getting embarrassed by college defenses cause they "tried harder on you" does not bode well when you are aganist the advanced defendedrs and coaching staffs at the NBA level.

[Giddf]

Scoot is a flat track bully. I don't think that means he is gonna bust, but he will surely be shell shocked by NBA athletes.

I think it's gonna take him a few years to reach his potential if he gets there. I'm not confident Miller will be the better player over all, but I'm pretty sure he is gonna have a better first 1 to 3 years in the league

Fixed it for you

Scoot's shooting percentage in 9 out of his 19 league games was 37% or less
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Scoot-Henderson/GameLogs/151559/D-League/2023/Reg
Scoot's shooting percentage "plummeted" in half the games he played
he must not be very good against teams that have a certain kind of defender, and surely he will face those same type of defenders in the NBA

just painting with the same magic paintbrush you use

Read the defensive rankings of the teams he struggled against. Its not like I'm randomly picking games he shot poorly in. Besides his track record of dropping off against superior competition is just straight up correct.

Brandon Miller BPM
vs. all competition: 11.0 BPM
vs. top 100 teams: 9.9 BPM
vs. top 50 teams: 6.5 BPM

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Scoot-Henderson/GameLogs/151559/D-League/2023/All
This is Scoots actual gamelog btw includes all games not just the gleague regular season

[KingCat]

Scoot is a flat track bully. I don't think that means he is gonna bust, but he will surely be shell shocked by NBA athletes.

I think it's gonna take him a few years to reach his potential if he gets there. I'm not confident Miller will be the better player over all, but I'm pretty sure he is gonna have a better first 1 to 3 years in the league

Fixed it for you

Scoot's shooting percentage in 9 out of his 19 league games was 37% or less
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Scoot-Henderson/GameLogs/151559/D-League/2023/Reg
Scoot's shooting percentage "plummeted" in half the games he played
he must not be very good against teams that have a certain kind of defender, and surely he will face those same type of defenders in the NBA

just painting with the same magic paintbrush you use

In what world is a 17-19 year old kid a bully aganist grown men? If this kid is bullying grown men then I guess we gotta take him.

[JMAC3]

When you are THE focal point of team offense, defenses are going to try and shut you down…making others beat you. Miller as a college freshman did pretty well most nights but he also tried too hard to overcome these challenges. Learning curve.

This would be a fair point if it were actually true. Yes, Brandon Miller was Alabama's most important offensive player but he wasn't their "driver of offense". He averages 2 assists a game, that's fourth on the team, and had more turnovers than assists. 53% of his shot attempts were from 3 and 81% of his 3-pt makes were assisted. He wasn't initiating for them. He was more of a spot-up shooter with some occasional on-ball responsibility. Alabama was also one of the most well-spaced and deepest teams in the nation. He wasn't getting blanketed by defenses in any of these games. He just simply struggled to generate separation and score against better, stronger, bigger, more athletic defenders. He was also the age of your average college sophomore during his freshman season. So that has to be taken into account as well. He's not a true freshman.

Learning curve? maybe but to me it seems more like an obvious limitation.

If you want to see a case of a primary creator getting blanketed by defenses because of their teammates I would take a look at Scoot Henderson instead.

He took almost 200 shots more than other player, led the team in usage, free throw attempts.
Alabama ranked 218th in the nation in 3pt% at 33.5%. (guys not named miller shot 31.5%)
He is expected to have 1 other guy drafted in the first round maybe... (clowney)

Meanwhile Scoot teammates on the ignite team shot over 35% (minus Scoot numbers).
Leonard Miller is a lock for first and Sidy might go first as well.

The stats would say his team gave him less three point spacing and that Scoot had more talented teammates.. sooo

[Giddf]

When you are THE focal point of team offense, defenses are going to try and shut you down…making others beat you. Miller as a college freshman did pretty well most nights but he also tried too hard to overcome these challenges. Learning curve.

This would be a fair point if it were actually true. Yes, Brandon Miller was Alabama's most important offensive player but he wasn't their "driver of offense". He averages 2 assists a game, that's fourth on the team, and had more turnovers than assists. 53% of his shot attempts were from 3 and 81% of his 3-pt makes were assisted. He wasn't initiating for them. He was more of a spot-up shooter with some occasional on-ball responsibility. Alabama was also one of the most well-spaced and deepest teams in the nation. He wasn't getting blanketed by defenses in any of these games. He just simply struggled to generate separation and score against better, stronger, bigger, more athletic defenders. He was also the age of your average college sophomore during his freshman season. So that has to be taken into account as well. He's not a true freshman.

Learning curve? maybe but to me it seems more like an obvious limitation.

If you want to see a case of a primary creator getting blanketed by defenses because of their teammates I would take a look at Scoot Henderson instead.

He took almost 200 shots more than other player, led the team in usage, free throw attempts.
Alabama ranked 218th in the nation in 3pt% at 33.5%. (guys not named miller shot 31.5%)
He is expected to have 1 other guy drafted in the first round maybe... (clowney)

Meanwhile Scoot teammates on the ignite team shot over 35% (minus Scoot numbers).
Leonard Miller is a lock for first and Sidy might go first as well.

The stats would say his team gave him less three point spacing and that Scoot had more talented teammates.. sooo

This argument pretty much ignores any and all context of the differences between the two leagues. The G-league is known for having a boatload of attempts from 3 a game. What matters here is not the percentage of 3's made but volume of attempts and the Ignite rank at the bottom per game by far. Nobody on the roster could shoot. It doesn't matter if you hit 35% of your threes if none of your teammates are confident enough to attempt them.

Also Leonard and Sidy getting drafted doesn't mean they have more talent relative to the competition around them lol. The G-league is full of multi-year nba veterans, former top college players, and recent draft picks. Experience absolutely matters here.

The spacing argument also applies for Alabama. They were 9th in 3pt attempt rate. And their spacing not only came from the perimeter but also their bigs. Bediako and Clowney regularly drew a ton of help into the paint. They were number one in defensive rebounding, seventh in offensive rebounding and 41st in 2-pt percentage.

[JMAC3]

When you are THE focal point of team offense, defenses are going to try and shut you down…making others beat you. Miller as a college freshman did pretty well most nights but he also tried too hard to overcome these challenges. Learning curve.

This would be a fair point if it were actually true. Yes, Brandon Miller was Alabama's most important offensive player but he wasn't their "driver of offense". He averages 2 assists a game, that's fourth on the team, and had more turnovers than assists. 53% of his shot attempts were from 3 and 81% of his 3-pt makes were assisted. He wasn't initiating for them. He was more of a spot-up shooter with some occasional on-ball responsibility. Alabama was also one of the most well-spaced and deepest teams in the nation. He wasn't getting blanketed by defenses in any of these games. He just simply struggled to generate separation and score against better, stronger, bigger, more athletic defenders. He was also the age of your average college sophomore during his freshman season. So that has to be taken into account as well. He's not a true freshman.

Learning curve? maybe but to me it seems more like an obvious limitation.

If you want to see a case of a primary creator getting blanketed by defenses because of their teammates I would take a look at Scoot Henderson instead.

He took almost 200 shots more than other player, led the team in usage, free throw attempts.
Alabama ranked 218th in the nation in 3pt% at 33.5%. (guys not named miller shot 31.5%)
He is expected to have 1 other guy drafted in the first round maybe... (clowney)

Meanwhile Scoot teammates on the ignite team shot over 35% (minus Scoot numbers).
Leonard Miller is a lock for first and Sidy might go first as well.

The stats would say his team gave him less three point spacing and that Scoot had more talented teammates.. sooo

Imagine someone saying Anthony Edwards isn't the center point of Wolves team because he doesn't have enough assists and he also leads them in turnovers. Meanwhile he took 2x the shots of any player on their roster and scored 2x the amount of points on the season....

clearly towns, kyle anderson, dlo and conley averaging more assists than him really ruined it.

[Giddf]

This would be a fair point if it were actually true. Yes, Brandon Miller was Alabama's most important offensive player but he wasn't their "driver of offense". He averages 2 assists a game, that's fourth on the team, and had more turnovers than assists. 53% of his shot attempts were from 3 and 81% of his 3-pt makes were assisted. He wasn't initiating for them. He was more of a spot-up shooter with some occasional on-ball responsibility. Alabama was also one of the most well-spaced and deepest teams in the nation. He wasn't getting blanketed by defenses in any of these games. He just simply struggled to generate separation and score against better, stronger, bigger, more athletic defenders. He was also the age of your average college sophomore during his freshman season. So that has to be taken into account as well. He's not a true freshman.

Learning curve? maybe but to me it seems more like an obvious limitation.

If you want to see a case of a primary creator getting blanketed by defenses because of their teammates I would take a look at Scoot Henderson instead.

He took almost 200 shots more than other player, led the team in usage, free throw attempts.
Alabama ranked 218th in the nation in 3pt% at 33.5%. (guys not named miller shot 31.5%)
He is expected to have 1 other guy drafted in the first round maybe... (clowney)

Meanwhile Scoot teammates on the ignite team shot over 35% (minus Scoot numbers).
Leonard Miller is a lock for first and Sidy might go first as well.

The stats would say his team gave him less three point spacing and that Scoot had more talented teammates.. sooo

Imagine someone saying Anthony Edwards isn't the center point of Wolves team because he doesn't have enough assists and he also leads them in turnovers. Meanwhile he took 2x the shots of any player on their roster and scored 2x the amount of points on the season....

clearly towns, kyle anderson, dlo and conley averaging more assists than him really ruined it.

Well Ant actually handles the ball most of the time and unlike Brandon Miller most of his looks aren't assisted. I'm guessing you missed that part lol. Quit misrepresenting stats. This is tiring.

[SWedd523]

Sure it is. You are evaluating Miller that way. We have shown how against high level athletes his size he fades. He failed against Leaky Black badly and Leaky is considered borderline to get drafted. What he is is 6'8 and highly athletic and a good defender. It appears Miller will struggle against the size and ability of people he will see on a regular basis based off what we have seen against guys in his size range and NBA level athletic ability. Can you find me someone who struggled so dramatically against good competition that went on to excel and perform at a high level regularly in the NBA?

Everyone makes some concessions for their guy and I get that but to dog one player endlessly while overlooking the weaknesses of the other doesn't help.

He had 36 vs Julian Strawther (a lot people like him at pick 27)
He had 41 vs GG Jackson (a lot of people like him as high as 15)
He had 38 in two games vs Anthony Black and Jordan Walsh (considered 2 of the best defenders in the class) 11/19 shooting those 2 games. Oh Ricky Council will be drafted too
He had 35 in two games vs Missouri and Kobe Brown on 12/23 shooting
He had 19 vs Cason Wallace, Chris Livingston and Oscar Tshebiwa
He had 24 vs Izzo and Mi st
He had 18 vs National title Uconn Andre Jackson, Sonogo, Hawkins


Plenty of games vs NBA talent that he was fine in.

Gonzaga is a bad defense (rank 261 in opp ppg out of 352 teams) and Strawther is not an NBA caliber defender either.
South Carolina another terrible defense (rank 252 in opp ppg)
Arkansas has two good defensive prospects in Black and Walsh. Both of those guys were freshmen and ARK. But yeah, he had two nice games against ARK. ARK (rank 113 in opp ppg)
Missouri is another low-ranked NCAA defense (rank 292 in opp ppg!!!)
Sure, Cason is by far the best defensive prospect on that team but he's 6'2 and wouldn't be guarding bmiller. but ok. Livingston and Tshebiwe are nowhere near NBA caliber defenders. Kentucky is also outside the top 100 in opp ppg.
He shot 8/19 in this game. It was solid but not some dominant performance.
In a game where Alabama got destroyed by 15+ points and he shot 5/15 lol.

In games against top NCAA defenses like SDSU (rank 26 in opp ppg), Houston (rank 2 in opp ppg), Tennessee (rank 3 in opp ppg), UCONN (rank 30 in opp ppg), Maryland (rank 27 in opp ppg), Texas A&M (rank 70 in opp ppg) . He shot poorly routinely.

Against SDSU : 3/19 for 9 points
Against Houston : 0/8 for 8 points
Against Tennessee: 4/11 for 15 points
Against UCONN (game you used as a point for him lmao) : 5/15 for 18 points
Against Maryland : 5/17 for 19 points
Against Texas A&M : 7/23 for 19 points, 5/20 for 23 points

Even a team like UNC who weren't good defensively but have a NBA caliber defensive wing in Leaky Black made him shoot poorly.
Against UNC : 4/21 for 14 points

There is plenty evidence Miller bullies bad defensive competition and falls off against good defenses. Especially ones who can stick a good wing defender on him. Which pretty much every nba team has multiple of these days.

Scoot Henderson last 5 games because I'm on my phone and don't want to keep tabbing back and forth:


-2/28/23 goes 4-12 for 14 points against DJ Carton (undrafted in 2021)
-3/3/28 goes 4-17 for 15 points against Devon Dotson (undrafted in 2020)
-3/6/23 goes 4-10 for 14 points against Jeff Dowtin (undrafted in 2020)
-3/8/23 goes 7-19 for 17 points against Brandon Williams (undrafted in 2021)
-3/9/23 goes 6-15 for 15 points against Brandon Williams (undrafted in 2021)


If Miller is a flat track bully, what are we calling the guy who goes a combined 33% FG squaring up against a bunch of undrafted guys?

33% against Jeff Dowtin (who averaged 13.9 points as a Senior at Rhode Island) and Brandon Williams (who averaged 11.4 as a freshman at Arizona and redshirted? his sophomore year before going undrafted).

What happens when he goes against actual pros?

[SWedd523]

I see this thread got sporty while I was composing my previous message.

[JMAC3]

This would be a fair point if it were actually true. Yes, Brandon Miller was Alabama's most important offensive player but he wasn't their "driver of offense". He averages 2 assists a game, that's fourth on the team, and had more turnovers than assists. 53% of his shot attempts were from 3 and 81% of his 3-pt makes were assisted. He wasn't initiating for them. He was more of a spot-up shooter with some occasional on-ball responsibility. Alabama was also one of the most well-spaced and deepest teams in the nation. He wasn't getting blanketed by defenses in any of these games. He just simply struggled to generate separation and score against better, stronger, bigger, more athletic defenders. He was also the age of your average college sophomore during his freshman season. So that has to be taken into account as well. He's not a true freshman.

Learning curve? maybe but to me it seems more like an obvious limitation.

If you want to see a case of a primary creator getting blanketed by defenses because of their teammates I would take a look at Scoot Henderson instead.

He took almost 200 shots more than other player, led the team in usage, free throw attempts.
Alabama ranked 218th in the nation in 3pt% at 33.5%. (guys not named miller shot 31.5%)
He is expected to have 1 other guy drafted in the first round maybe... (clowney)

Meanwhile Scoot teammates on the ignite team shot over 35% (minus Scoot numbers).
Leonard Miller is a lock for first and Sidy might go first as well.

The stats would say his team gave him less three point spacing and that Scoot had more talented teammates.. sooo

This argument pretty much ignores any and all context of the differences between the two leagues. The G-league is known for having a boatload of attempts from 3 a game. What matters here is not the percentage of 3's made but volume of attempts and the Ignite rank at the bottom per game by far. Nobody on the roster could shoot. It doesn't matter if you hit 35% of your threes if none of your teammates are confident enough to attempt them.

Also Leonard and Sidy getting drafted doesn't mean they have more talent relative to the competition around them lol. The G-league is full of multi-year nba veterans, former top college players, and recent draft picks. Experience absolutely matters here.

The spacing argument also applies for Alabama. They were 9th in 3pt attempt rate. And their spacing not only came from the perimeter but also their bigs. Bediako and Clowney regularly drew a ton of help into the paint. They were number one in defensive rebounding, seventh in offensive rebounding and 41st in 2-pt percentage.

So Alabama had two bigs dominating the offensive boards, but also the paint was super cleared out for Miller... that seems to be a bit of conflicting argument.

That and the fact miller was by farrrrrrrr their best outside shooter in %, attempts, makes etc.. yeah it makes sense Bama took a lot of threes. They had arguably the best shooter in the country.

The rest of this is classic, Gleague vs College... can't compare yada yada stuff that has been overplayed.

[JMAC3]

He took almost 200 shots more than other player, led the team in usage, free throw attempts.
Alabama ranked 218th in the nation in 3pt% at 33.5%. (guys not named miller shot 31.5%)
He is expected to have 1 other guy drafted in the first round maybe... (clowney)

Meanwhile Scoot teammates on the ignite team shot over 35% (minus Scoot numbers).
Leonard Miller is a lock for first and Sidy might go first as well.

The stats would say his team gave him less three point spacing and that Scoot had more talented teammates.. sooo

Imagine someone saying Anthony Edwards isn't the center point of Wolves team because he doesn't have enough assists and he also leads them in turnovers. Meanwhile he took 2x the shots of any player on their roster and scored 2x the amount of points on the season....

clearly towns, kyle anderson, dlo and conley averaging more assists than him really ruined it.

Well Ant actually handles the ball most of the time and unlike Brandon Miller most of his looks aren't assisted. I'm guessing you missed that part lol. Quit misrepresenting stats. This is tiring.

Brandon Miller led Alabama in usage lol... but yeah he never had the ball.
He took 200 more shots than anyone else on the roster, but yeah defenses weren't worried about him.

That is the argument you are trying to make right now lol

"He wasn't getting blanketed by defenses in any of these games."

College defenses were clearly too worried about everyone else instead of the teams leading scorer (by 6.3 ppg). LOL

[Giddf]

He took almost 200 shots more than other player, led the team in usage, free throw attempts.
Alabama ranked 218th in the nation in 3pt% at 33.5%. (guys not named miller shot 31.5%)
He is expected to have 1 other guy drafted in the first round maybe... (clowney)

Meanwhile Scoot teammates on the ignite team shot over 35% (minus Scoot numbers).
Leonard Miller is a lock for first and Sidy might go first as well.

The stats would say his team gave him less three point spacing and that Scoot had more talented teammates.. sooo

This argument pretty much ignores any and all context of the differences between the two leagues. The G-league is known for having a boatload of attempts from 3 a game. What matters here is not the percentage of 3's made but volume of attempts and the Ignite rank at the bottom per game by far. Nobody on the roster could shoot. It doesn't matter if you hit 35% of your threes if none of your teammates are confident enough to attempt them.

Also Leonard and Sidy getting drafted doesn't mean they have more talent relative to the competition around them lol. The G-league is full of multi-year nba veterans, former top college players, and recent draft picks. Experience absolutely matters here.

The spacing argument also applies for Alabama. They were 9th in 3pt attempt rate. And their spacing not only came from the perimeter but also their bigs. Bediako and Clowney regularly drew a ton of help into the paint. They were number one in defensive rebounding, seventh in offensive rebounding and 41st in 2-pt percentage.

So Alabama had two bigs dominating the offensive boards, but also the paint was super cleared out for Miller... that seems to be a bit of conflicting argument.

That and the fact miller was by farrrrrrrr their best outside shooter in %, attempts, makes etc.. yeah it makes sense Bama took a lot of threes. They had arguably the best shooter in the country.

The rest of this is classic, Gleague vs College... can't compare yada yada stuff that has been overplayed.

I don't think you know what spacing means lmao. The paint is never cleared out in college because of there is no 3 second rule. But both Bediako and Clowney provide vertical spacing as roll/lob/dunker spot threats and offensive rebounders. Most college teams do not have that luxury. Did you watch Alabama? They didn't always play Clowney and Bediako together. Miller was regularly at the 4. With the help at the rim those two regularly drew Miller had some of the most open looks of any shooting prospect this year. = Good spacing

You're just a know-nothing hahaha

[JMAC3]

So Miller averaged 6.5 points more then 2nd guy.
and 9 points more than 3rd guy.

but Scoot was one that was loaded up when he was 2nd scorer.
Jenkins was 17.9 ppg
Scoot was 17.6 ppg
Miller was 16.9 ppg.

but you argument is that Miller played on a balanced team... meanwhile Scoot was loaded up on.

[JMAC3]

This argument pretty much ignores any and all context of the differences between the two leagues. The G-league is known for having a boatload of attempts from 3 a game. What matters here is not the percentage of 3's made but volume of attempts and the Ignite rank at the bottom per game by far. Nobody on the roster could shoot. It doesn't matter if you hit 35% of your threes if none of your teammates are confident enough to attempt them.

Also Leonard and Sidy getting drafted doesn't mean they have more talent relative to the competition around them lol. The G-league is full of multi-year nba veterans, former top college players, and recent draft picks. Experience absolutely matters here.

The spacing argument also applies for Alabama. They were 9th in 3pt attempt rate. And their spacing not only came from the perimeter but also their bigs. Bediako and Clowney regularly drew a ton of help into the paint. They were number one in defensive rebounding, seventh in offensive rebounding and 41st in 2-pt percentage.

So Alabama had two bigs dominating the offensive boards, but also the paint was super cleared out for Miller... that seems to be a bit of conflicting argument.

That and the fact miller was by farrrrrrrr their best outside shooter in %, attempts, makes etc.. yeah it makes sense Bama took a lot of threes. They had arguably the best shooter in the country.

The rest of this is classic, Gleague vs College... can't compare yada yada stuff that has been overplayed.

I don't think you know what spacing means lmao. The paint is never cleared out in college because of there is no 3 second rule. But both Bediako and Clowney provide vertical spacing as roll/lob/dunker spot threats and offensive rebounders. Most college teams do not have that luxury. Did you watch Alabama? They didn't always play Clowney and Bediako together. Miller was regularly at the 4. With the help at the rim those two regularly drew Miller had some of the most open looks of any shooting prospect this year. = Good spacing

You're just a know-nothing hahaha

You just said the spacing in college is worse than in the gleague because no 3 seconds. Isn't that the opposite of what you have been arguing?

I am not going to resort to insulting you as you are probably on a burner account with 7 posts, so I will let you be the one to get warned/banned.