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1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall (Poll Added)

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Who should the Bobcats draft at #2?

Thomas Robinson: 6-9, 240, PF, Kansas Jr
65
43%
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist: 6-7, 228, SF, Kentucky Fr
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16%
Andre Drummond: 6-10, 251, C, UConn Fr
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19%
Bradley Beal: 6-4, 201, SG, Florida Fr
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15%
Harrison Barnes: 6-8, 223, SF, UNC So
10
7%
 
Total votes: 150

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Re: 1st round pick discussion #2 overall (Poll Added) 

Post#441 » by hhvo » Thu May 31, 2012 10:40 pm

Stun704 wrote:I blame all of your negativity yesterday, jk

we can only hope that Drummond totally rapes Davis in workouts, and Tom Benson gets bamboozled


I doubt that. Davis probably wont participate in any kind of workouts... he's going to sit back, relax, and get pick 1st.

Beyond davis, there's 5-6 guys that's on the same level. So if we can gain two lottery picks to move back, I would do that. If not, Robinson would probably be a good pick. He doesn't have superstar potential but he's a great 2nd option on a team. Let's stay safe and try again next year.
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Re: 1st round pick discussion #2 overall (Poll Added) 

Post#442 » by Stun704 » Thu May 31, 2012 10:45 pm

hhvo wrote:
Stun704 wrote:I blame all of your negativity yesterday, jk

we can only hope that Drummond totally rapes Davis in workouts, and Tom Benson gets bamboozled


I doubt that. Davis probably wont participate in any kind of workouts... he's going to sit back, relax, and get pick 1st.

Beyond davis, there's 5-6 guys that's on the same level. So if we can gain two lottery picks to move back, I would do that. If not, Robinson would probably be a good pick. He doesn't have superstar potential but he's a great 2nd option on a team. Let's stay safe and try again next year.

if he wants to be a bobcat he'll participate and tank his NO workouts 8-)
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Re: 1st round pick discussion #2 overall (Poll Added) 

Post#443 » by Jaruff » Thu May 31, 2012 10:50 pm

Nah, if he really wanted to be a Bobcat, he'd pull a Kobe. :nod:
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Post#445 » by Stun704 » Thu May 31, 2012 11:01 pm

Jaruff wrote:Nah, if he really wanted to be a Bobcat, he'd pull a Kobe. :nod:

:nod: karma would have came full circle, those smug NO bastards deserve it
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Re: 1st round pick discussion #2 overall (Poll Added) 

Post#446 » by TheKingofSting » Thu May 31, 2012 11:07 pm

Stun704 wrote:
Jaruff wrote:Nah, if he really wanted to be a Bobcat, he'd pull a Kobe. :nod:

:nod: karma would have came full circle, those smug NO bastards deserve it


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Re: 1st round pick discussion #2 overall (Poll Added) 

Post#447 » by TheKingofSting » Thu May 31, 2012 11:08 pm

3.) Bradley Beal, SG Florida

PROS: The Cam Newton Pick. Lost in the now universal worship of Cam is the fact that most draft analysts initially had him pegged somewhere between a mid-first rounder to an early second round pick. Panthers GM Marty Hurney rightfully shut out the experts and picked the guy who was right for the team and situation, regardless of draft position. It paid off big.

CONS: “But Gerald Henderson is our best player!!!” -People on the Internet – Do I even have to acknowledge this? I like Henderson. He’s fine but he’s probably the 19th best shooting guard in the league. Plus Beal can play some point. Like a rich man’s Sefolosha in OKC, there will be plenty of minutes available for Gerald, Jr.
“You can’t draft an undersized SG at number two!” - Traditional Draft Experts - It’s a small-ball league now and has been for some time. Beal’s shooting and ability to get to the line will help the team in their dire most area of need. Instantly. If Rich Cho is 4% as smart as I think he is, look for Beal to be swishing threes next season in orange and blue.

POTENTIAL TOP FIVE AT POSITION? Yes.


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Re: 1st round pick discussion #2 overall (Poll Added) 

Post#448 » by bwgood77 » Thu May 31, 2012 11:13 pm

Jaruff wrote:
Stun704 wrote:
tkelly_cats_212 wrote:Would you guys want to take Beal #2 and see if there was anyway to trade up to #5 and get Robinson? Maybe Hendo and the 2013 Portland first?

I'd rather take MKG
Kemba
MKG
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T-Rob
Biyobmo


I'd rather Phoenix amnesty Josh Childress and offer him a min. deal because that's what MKG is. Josh Childress. You don't spend a #2 on Josh Childress.


Funny you mention that because that is EXACTLY what I was thinking the other day, but I'm sure many now would disagree. Childress was a stud in college, but nba teams have a hard time defining what he is in the pros, because he's not GREAT at anything, even though he provides a ton of energy. I think he'd be great on a team with a few stars, but maybe not on the Bobcats.
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Post#449 » by Eoghan » Thu May 31, 2012 11:26 pm

captaincrunk wrote:I don't know if portland would rather have the #2 or lamarcus aldridge. I'd rather have aldridge, if I want to win now, and he's not even old.

No but he's sort of injury prone and this is kind of a quick fix to me. I'd rather just stay the course with and keep the pick.
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Re: 1st round pick discussion #2 overall (Poll Added) 

Post#450 » by JMAC3 » Thu May 31, 2012 11:29 pm

Sorry guys this is extremely long, but I believe has some good points on a few guys that havent been made yet... I understand if you dont read it, but I just have been mulling over this the last 24 hours and put all in one post mostly... Got carried away on MKG a bit and Drummond some too....

Okay I have put in some unique analysis on this situation......

and I still an not sure who I want to pick at the number 2 spot.....

6 prospects are possible in my mind....

Anthony Davis- could fall, but not likely.... due to injury, bad workouts, or Hornets fall in love with somebody... Dont hold your breath, he is gone, get over it, find a new Bromance...(Like Stun with T-Rob) haha

Thomas Robinson- Great possible choice.... I think if he measures at 6'10'' he is the pick. If he is under that then I think its not so clear cut. His game meshes well with Biz due to his jumper, faceup game, post game, and strong rebounding. He would let Biz focus on being defensive juggernaut and slowly develop.... I think they can coexist since they both have solid length and athletic ability... If he ends up at 6'8'' then that looks really bad as a starting front court and I think we eventually force one of the them to the bench in search of a 7 footer...

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist- I think just like Robinson, what he measure will have an impact on where he goes... If he can measure at 6'7'' then I think he is a great pick to play SF for us... If he measures 6'5'' then I think he falls out of consideration for us, because he would be more of a SG...Lets say he does measure out good and can play SF longterm... I think he brings alot of good qualities to our team... he is a winner, hardworker, great motor, good defender, good rebounder, good handles for his position, can be a playmaker in offense, and great in transition.... The problem with him is his shooting... He does not have the best form on his jumper and has kind of a slow release at the top of his jump...

This is however something that can be fixed, how are great shooters so great, they work at it, some people are born shooters, but most people have put in thousands of hours working on it, MKG is the type of guy who will not let his game have flaws, he is the hardest working player in this draft and I think he will be one of the best all around players in the league someday, He is not going to be a superstar, but I think he has the ability to be a multiple time allstar... Him and Kemba could both work on their jumpers together and become the leaders of this team for many years.... I know some of you guys do not want a guy who can not shoot the three ball great in a backcourt that already lacks a great three point shooter in Kemba and Hendo.... I think we learn to play a different style of basketball where the three point shot is dependent and we have great ball movement, get up and down the court, get to the free throw line all things MKG excells at... His shot will come later. I do not like the Gerald Wallace comparison to him, but more so the Iguodala

You have to remember that he played down in the post in highschool and even played a mixture of 3/4 alternating with TJones this season... He is still developing a perimeter game and that includes range on his jumper... I have seen his shot get better from the beginning of the season to the most recent workout video.. Much more consistent looking, quicker release, more balanced, and just looks a 100 times more confident... The most underrated skill in basketball is confidence

Bradley Beal- I like his game, wish he was at least 6-5... cant hardly start him and Kemba together longterm and expect to be a Championship team... I like his shooting and his rebounding... If we did not have Hendo already I think I would be much much higher on him... But lets say we draft Beal, Then next year we have chance at another great SG prospect... do we take them.... if we do we turn into the Timberwolves...stacked at positions while sucking at others... Our shooting Guards would be Hendo, Beal, and say Shabazz.... all are about 6-5... none really capable of playing SF... All of sudden we are kicking ourselves for drafting Beal... Where as if we fill another need and get a solid player at each position... Then we are free to grab whoever we like if they are best player available because they can add depth at least or be an upgrade... Would he even start over Hendo or would he be a combo guard off the bench...

Andre Drummond- Ultimate Boom/Bust... Do not like him for us... I think he is great bait for trading down though... If we didnt have Biz I would probably be more for him.... I think if we take him after next year everyone will be trying to decide which one to trade. I am worried about motor, translating his athleticism to basketball skills, and BBIQ...

If Drummond could not score in college it is not a good sign, he didnt even dominate the boards, the only thing he is bound to bring is a decent shot blocker.... Just because your big and athletic does not mean you are going to turn into a special player, especially when they do not show the work ethic that is needed to be a superstar... I do not think Drummond can imagine what it takes to be great at the next level let alone motivate himself to do it... He screams bust to me and we cant afford it... Its not like if does reach this so called athletcism he is going to be Shaq or Howard... At best I think you get Blake Griffin or Amare.....That is if he reaches it if he doesnt you just drafted a possible Kwame or Curry.... No Thank You... somebody else can be laughed at... I would much rather get a solid player who can lock down a position for his career... Its not like people make fun of the nets for drafting Derrick Favors and not Cousins even though Cousins is widely thought of as the better player... Because Favors is still gonna be good...

Harrison Barnes- Like him, but not at #2.... If we trade down I think he is a good selection

So recap is I think Robinson is the guy if he measure out at 6'10'' or more... If he doesnt then I move onto Kidd-Gilchrist as long as he is 6'6'' or more... He can be like an Iguodala at that height playing the 3...

I am kinda of liking the scenario of getting a 6'7'' MKG. Then next season snagging a big man to play center and let Biz slide down to PF.. Like Cody Zeller, Nerlens Noel, and there are a couple others that could be in talks Alex Len, Mitch McGary, Steven Adams... or if somehow we land Shabazz then we take him obviously and move Hendo to bench....

So this year lineup
Kemba
Hendo
MKG
Biz
Mully

Hopefully TT can refind himself and be a good role player off the bench or start over Mully. This at least gives us a prospect at each position and then we can upgrade next year where we need to at any position because we arent overloaded at any one spot.... Mully could end up being Spencer Hawes this season or better... We know what Mags is and he isnt part of future... This delays giving up on any one of young guys before we have to...

I think we hope to land Zeller who in my mind > Davis.... Then maybe we land Wiggins the next year... Its a stretch, but dont give up hope.... We can still do this without Davis, but I avoid Drummond at all costs...

New long term roster looks like

Kemba
Hendo/MKG
Wiggins
Biz
Zeller

That is a championship team....
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Post#451 » by 99problems » Thu May 31, 2012 11:31 pm

I'm cool with Beal or Robinson. And MKG a little behind them. No to Drummond.
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Post#452 » by TheKingofSting » Thu May 31, 2012 11:37 pm

It doesn't matter what we do, we don't pick Drummond and he will turn into a Top 5 Center sooner than later, we pass on Beal and he is swishing 3's and turns into a D Wade type driver and finisher or we skip MKG and he turns into a Deng / Iggy hybrid within 3 years. It is like we are in a no win position.
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Post#453 » by TheKingofSting » Thu May 31, 2012 11:41 pm

Sik Infant wrote:If Cho wants to take BPA it is probably going to be Robinson unless we trade down which is a real possibility.


He won't be BPA for us. Pairing a 6'7 T-Rob with Biz is a train wreck waiting to happen.
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Post#454 » by debo23 » Thu May 31, 2012 11:41 pm

Stun704 wrote:My targets would be, do whatever we can to get the 11th pick while keeping the 2nd and get Perry Jones III, he has as much potential is drummond, but he can play SF, we take T-Rob the safer pick at #2


Like the way you think.. but I'd say if you are going to go balls out take drummond at 2 then PJIII at 11 --no guts no glory


I fully believe that Cho will manage to get another pick or two in the top 20
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Post#455 » by KembaWalker » Thu May 31, 2012 11:42 pm

idk if its been posted already but if you arent familiar with Robinson's life story read up..pretty inspiring stuff. straight outta He Got Game
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Post#456 » by doc.end » Thu May 31, 2012 11:44 pm

The troll scenario (just for fun):

1)Cho trades 2 to Cavs for 4 and incetives (likely some of their other three picks) giving them their choice of Beal/MKG
2)Wizards needs a winger, not a PF or C, we still would get to choose from Robinson, Drummond
3) Kings got a mancrush on Drummond (works with Robinson too as long as they don't want the same as we do) - their board seem to wish MKG slip to them but would take a big man if not
4) we swap picks with Kings for something (no idea, second round pick is not enough I guess) and let them pick let's say Drummond - we still get Robinson at 5
5) this all may work as 3 team deal as well
6) If by any chance Kings liked robinson and we let them pick him at 4 and we are not high on Drummond, we could trade him for Portland's 6 and something (11 is probably to much, but they have second rounders, pick protection may be tweaked whatever, every asset counts and then pick Lamb or any other BPA we like at 6 (or try to stuff Barnes to a cluless team trading further down, according to DX mock Warriors should pick him)
7) bonus points if getting rid of Tyrus Thomas in the process and for getting favorable trade with Kings involved in consectuive drafts
8) ???
9)Profit (and up to 7 second round picks)

Weak spot: other GMs are not just chess pieces and even if those things would be rational to do for them they may choose otherwise - for example Wizards are not involved and could do a separate trade or something

(disclaimer: yeah it is mocking NBA2kwhatever-like trades as well)
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Post#457 » by ohara » Thu May 31, 2012 11:45 pm

Kemba2Hendo wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:If Cho wants to take BPA it is probably going to be Robinson unless we trade down which is a real possibility.


He won't be BPA for us. Pairing a 6'7 T-Rob with Biz is a train wreck waiting to happen.


I have to disagree. I think T-Rob and Biyombo would be a great combo.
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Post#458 » by expo » Thu May 31, 2012 11:45 pm

probably the fairest assessment of Drummond I've seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1xHtOMCJPg . It's a tough call. I like what Drummond could become but if we draft him it's going to be at least a couple of seasons before we know what he's capable of and people would certainly start calling him a bust since i doubt he's going to have a good rookie year. My gut says you have to take the risk, he's just too big and too athletic to pass on.
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Post#459 » by TheKingofSting » Thu May 31, 2012 11:47 pm

KembaWalker wrote:idk if its been posted already but if you arent familiar with Robinson's life story read up..pretty inspiring stuff. straight outta He Got Game


Yes, great story but hopefully it continues on another team. We don't need a 6'7 PF
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Post#460 » by TheKingofSting » Thu May 31, 2012 11:48 pm

ohara wrote:
Kemba2Hendo wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:If Cho wants to take BPA it is probably going to be Robinson unless we trade down which is a real possibility.


He won't be BPA for us. Pairing a 6'7 T-Rob with Biz is a train wreck waiting to happen.


I have to disagree. I think T-Rob and Biyombo would be a great combo.


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