#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

Red Larrivee · Post #441 » by **Red Larrivee** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 6:10 pm

He's close to it; it doesn't mean he can't have a reasonably long career though. Kwame Brown is considered one of the biggest busts ever, but he's played for 7 different teams and made over $63 million in 13 years.

Eoghan · Post #442 » by **Eoghan** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 6:10 pm

He's a bust if you ignore the reality that he's a long term project. He wasn't even expected to come over his rookie year but he got a buyout. He's had some less than ideal coaching in his NBA career so far, with no training camp/summer league his rookie year and Paul Silas' inept crew. Then year 2 he had Mike Lameduck Dunlap as coach and he managed to show some decent progress. The biggest thing helping him is we seem to have a decent coaching staff that will won't get replaced in a year and we're slowly assembling decent players around Biz so he can concentrate on his role and not do too much. The McRoberts trade was really the beginning in terms of seeing how good Biz can be in a decent situation.

He has good defensive awareness generally and is an excellent shot blocker. His rebounding is getting better now that he's starting to understand positioning and boxing out. His offense is fairly terrible and uncoordinated but he needs a ton of reps to fix that. He's improving but it's at a glacial pace, partly b/c he just doesn't touch the ball hardly at all on offense (catch 22 situation). He's not terrible for team offense though because he sets great screens and is athletic enough to cause 2nd chance opportunities.

Post #443 » by **JDR720** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 8:31 pm

no he isn't a bust, he is a defensive rebounding center and he finally has a good coaching staff to help him develop, and he didn't start playing until he was 16 he is 21 now so he is pretty good for playing just 5 years

Post #444 » by **JDR720** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 8:31 pm

and he has a lot of untapped potential

serengeti · Post #445 » by **serengeti** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 8:36 pm

Hell YES.

He´s very small to the Center position. he hasn´t the right size and weigth for this position, but the most important, he hasn´t strength enough for fight with another centers. He seems the little brother of the rivals centers.
He has long arms, but isn´t enough for me.

His offensive level is horrible after two years in the league. He don´t understand the basketball concepts.

" He is young. He can improve". Well, I´m young too, so give me a chance in the NBA!

A player, no matter how young it is, need have a bases to develop, a knowledge. Biyombo has not.

See Adrien. He´s smaller than Biyombo, but he has strength. He can fight. He doesn´t making fools.

Liver_Pooty · Post #446 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 8:45 pm

serengeti wrote:Hell YES.

He´s very small to the Center position. he hasn´t the right size and weigth for this position, but the most important, he hasn´t strength enough for fight with another centers. He seems the little brother of the rivals centers.
He has long arms, but isn´t enough for me.

His offensive level is horrible after two years in the league. He don´t understand the basketball concepts.

" He is young. He can improve". Well, I´m young too, so give me a chance in the NBA!

A player, no matter how young it is, need have a bases to develop, a knowledge. Biyombo has not.

See Adrien. He´s smaller than Biyombo, but he has strength. He can fight. He doesn´t making fools.

Lol. Whatever you say, ballboy.

catch20two · Post #447 » by **catch20two** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 8:46 pm

serengeti wrote:Hell YES.

He´s very small to the Center position. he hasn´t the right size and weigth for this position, but the most important, he hasn´t strength enough for fight with another centers. He seems the little brother of the rivals centers.
He has long arms, but isn´t enough for me.

His offensive level is horrible after two years in the league. He don´t understand the basketball concepts.

" He is young. He can improve". Well, I´m young too, so give me a chance in the NBA!

A player, no matter how young it is, need have a bases to develop, a knowledge. Biyombo has not.

See Adrien. He´s smaller than Biyombo, but he has strength. He can fight. He doesn´t making fools.

I don't respect your opinion because you don't know how to use proper grammar and a lot of what you said about Biz is wrong. He doesn't have strength, what?

HornetJail · Post #448 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 8:59 pm

serengeti wrote:Hell YES.

He´s very small to the Center position. he hasn´t the right size and weigth for this position, but the most important, he hasn´t strength enough for fight with another centers. He seems the little brother of the rivals centers.
He has long arms, but isn´t enough for me.

His offensive level is horrible after two years in the league. He don´t understand the basketball concepts.

" He is young. He can improve". Well, I´m young too, so give me a chance in the NBA!

A player, no matter how young it is, need have a bases to develop, a knowledge. Biyombo has not.

See Adrien. He´s smaller than Biyombo, but he has strength. He can fight. He doesn´t making fools.

I'm going to say this as nicely as I can. You have absolutely no **** idea what you're talking about.

This time last year, Larry Sanders was a scrub that was a way away from being good. He was nothing more than a long, strong, athletic, shot blocking big man who couldn't do anything else. He was worse than Biyombo in his first two years and I personally wrote him off an athletic big man with no real game at the NBA level, because he was absolutely terrible every time I saw him play over the first two years.

Fast forward about 12 months, Sanders played his way into a $40M contract by being a double-double machine and a really solid defensive player, swatting nearly 3 shots a game. He's still not a skilled big man by any stretch but just has more experience and has learned to use his athleticism and length to his advantage. Biyombo may be an inch or two shorter than Sanders, but makes up for it with a 7-foot-7 wingspan and a significantly stronger body. I'm not saying Biyombo breaks out like Sanders this year, but being coached up by Steve Clifford, Patrick Ewing, and Al Jefferson can't possibly hurt his growth.

You say Biyombo's arms don't make up for his 6'9-6'10 height? Well Biyombo has a good 4-6 inches of wingspan on most other centers in the league. Only Rudy Gobert has a longer one in the league right now. That alone makes up for it.

Post #449 » by **JDR720** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:11 pm

serengeti wrote:Hell YES.

He´s very small to the Center position. he hasn´t the right size and weigth for this position, but the most important, he hasn´t strength enough for fight with another centers. He seems the little brother of the rivals centers.
He has long arms, but isn´t enough for me.

His offensive level is horrible after two years in the league. He don´t understand the basketball concepts.

" He is young. He can improve". Well, I´m young too, so give me a chance in the NBA!

A player, no matter how young it is, need have a bases to develop, a knowledge. Biyombo has not.

See Adrien. He´s smaller than Biyombo, but he has strength. He can fight. He doesn´t making fools.

Post #450 » by **JDR720** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:12 pm

He does have a base to grow from his base is his athletic ability and shot blocking

thruthefire · Post #451 » by **thruthefire** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:20 pm

Fair comparison between Biz and Sanders. Also worth pointing out that Biz is still younger than Sanders was as a rookie. I'm not nearly as bullish on Biz as I once was, but I'm happy to have him on the team.

HornetJail · Post #452 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:48 pm

Why is this not in the Biyombo thread?

Post #453 » by **JDR720** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 9:58 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Why is this not in the Biyombo thread?

he is from the 76ers board, probably didn't know about the Biz thread

lmcguir5 · Post #454 » by **lmcguir5** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 10:32 pm

Speaking of other boards, has anyone taken the chance to troll the Raps board yet

Liver_Pooty · Post #455 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 10:36 pm

lmcguir5 wrote:Speaking of other boards, has anyone taken the chance to troll the Raps board yet

I've been observing it a little bit. I like it how some of their posters call us the lowly cats.

They should take a look in the mirror.

lmcguir5 · Post #456 » by **lmcguir5** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 10:43 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
lmcguir5 wrote:Speaking of other boards, has anyone taken the chance to troll the Raps board yet

I've been observing it a little bit. I like it how some of their posters call us the lowly cats.

They should take a look in the mirror.

I just went over there, its just a bunch of fans talking about how much they hate Casey and how they actually want to lose the game...Tank World Order (TWO) or something like that. Damn Canadians and their drug addict politicians....

Liver_Pooty · Post #457 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 10:46 pm

lmcguir5 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
lmcguir5 wrote:Speaking of other boards, has anyone taken the chance to troll the Raps board yet

I've been observing it a little bit. I like it how some of their posters call us the lowly cats.

They should take a look in the mirror.

I just went over there, its just a bunch of fans talking about how much they hate Casey and how they actually want to lose the game...Tank World Order (TWO) or something like that. Damn Canadians and their drug addict politicians....

As a fan its easy to talk about tanking and stuff in the offseason, but when that ball is tipped I honestly don't see how anyone could cheer for their team to lose. If you feel that way you might as well not even watch the game.

Snidely FC · Post #458 » by **Snidely FC** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 10:56 pm

In the last month Biz has shown that he is a legit NBA player with a good deal of upside. He can be fun and dynamic to watch. You want to know how Biz is, watch some Bobcats games.

Post #459 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 11:49 pm

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Why is this not in the Biyombo thread?

It is..........now

Post #460 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Nov 6, 2013 11:51 pm

catch20two wrote:
serengeti wrote:Hell YES.

He´s very small to the Center position. he hasn´t the right size and weigth for this position, but the most important, he hasn´t strength enough for fight with another centers. He seems the little brother of the rivals centers.
He has long arms, but isn´t enough for me.

His offensive level is horrible after two years in the league. He don´t understand the basketball concepts.

" He is young. He can improve". Well, I´m young too, so give me a chance in the NBA!

A player, no matter how young it is, need have a bases to develop, a knowledge. Biyombo has not.

See Adrien. He´s smaller than Biyombo, but he has strength. He can fight. He doesn´t making fools.

I don't respect your opinion because you don't know how to use proper grammar ......

I'm pretty sure this poster is French Canadian.