Leap Year - The Kemba Walker Thread III

[yosemiteben]

Smart deal for Cho, that way we trade the face of the franchise that we just extended for nothing.

[Braggins]

Well, extending Kemba was the worst move of Cho's career, so trading him would be his best.

[Elden Payton]

The facetiousness of many posts in this thread is amusing...

and are oozing with contempt.

The fact remains that trading Kemba is a real possibility and is something that would benefit the franchise in the long run imo.

[Braggins]

The facetiousness of many posts in this thread is amusing...

and are oozing with contempt.

The fact remains that trading Kemba is a real possibility and is something that would benefit the franchise in the long run imo.

My last post was sarcastic, but I seriously do want us to trade him (hopefully to the Sixers). Al is opting in and Clifford is likely keeping his job. I'd rather him not get traded and it work out here, but I don't really want to have to watch this team anymore if it continues to look like it did this season.That being said, I highly doubt he actually gets traded.

Does his extension kick in before we can trade him in the off-season?

[Elden Payton]

The following is a list of Kemba's FG and FGA in his 62 games this season.

Games where Kemba shot 50+ percent are bolded.

1.)9-26
2.)1-11
3.)5-9
4.)4-13
5.)5-6
6.)6-16
7.)7-11
8.)6-16
9.)8-16
10.)3-14
11.)3-8
12.)5-15
13.)7-19
14.)6-15
15.)4-11
16.)6-19
17.)4-16
18.)2-9
19.)7-18
20.)4-15
21.)5-14
22.)11-21
23.)3-11
24.)11-20
25.)9-20
26.)13-23
27.)8-17
28.)5-12
29.)9-18
30.)2-13
31.)15-31
32.)7-22
33.)4-11
34.)4-16
35.)10-21
36.)12-26
37.)12-24
38.)12-25
39.)8-13
40.)9-24
41.)4-17
42.)3-14
43.)2-9
44.)4-14
45.)1-8
46.)3-8
47.)7-18
48.)4-11
49.)11-24
50.)4-13
51.)3-17
52.)7-19
53.)9-20
54.)7-13
55.)1-9
56.)11-21
57.)7-20
58.)5-13
59.)4-12
60.)2-11
61.)2-10
62.)6-15

kemba shot 50+ percent 12 times in 62 games.

Kemba shot less than 30 percent on 17 occasions in 62 games.

Kemba shot between 31-39 percent on 23 occasions in 62 games.

Kemba shot between 40-49 percent in 10 of 62 games.

What do these stats say?

[Elden Payton]

The facetiousness of many posts in this thread is amusing...

and are oozing with contempt.

The fact remains that trading Kemba is a real possibility and is something that would benefit the franchise in the long run imo.

My last post was sarcastic, but I seriously do want us to trade him (hopefully to the Sixers). Al is opting in and Clifford is likely keeping his job. I'd rather him not get traded and it work out here, but I don't really want to have to watch this team anymore if it continues to look like it did this season.That being said, I highly doubt he actually gets traded.

Does his extension kick in before we can trade him in the off-season?

His extension will kick in and we'll have to trade him as a 12m salary.

You openly admit that when Kemba is no longer on this team, then you will then support whichever team Kemba is on?

Kemba is a huge part of how unbearable it is to watch this team at times, do you agree with that statement?

[Braggins]

The facetiousness of many posts in this thread is amusing...

and are oozing with contempt.

The fact remains that trading Kemba is a real possibility and is something that would benefit the franchise in the long run imo.

My last post was sarcastic, but I seriously do want us to trade him (hopefully to the Sixers). Al is opting in and Clifford is likely keeping his job. I'd rather him not get traded and it work out here, but I don't really want to have to watch this team anymore if it continues to look like it did this season.That being said, I highly doubt he actually gets traded.

Does his extension kick in before we can trade him in the off-season?

His extension will kick in and we'll have to trade him as a 12m salary.

You openly admit that when Kemba is no longer on this team, then you will then support whichever team Kemba is on?

Kemba is a huge part of how unbearable it is to watch this team at times, do you agree with that statement?

I wouldn't stop being a fan of this team just because Kemba wasn't on it, but I generally tend to just watch the players I like, and don't really follow any particular team (at least to the extent that I do the Hornets) unless a group of players comes together that I really like. I started following this team because Kemba came here and I liked the young players we were acquiring and the direction we were headed, so they eventually became my favorite team. However, Al is literally my least favorite player of all time at this point and Clifford is probably the worst coach of any team I've ever liked in any sport. Our games are awful to watch and I pretty much had to force myself to watch them the last 1/3 of the season. I really like everyone on this team under 25, the Hornets franchise, and this board; but our veterans and coach are embarrassing and we play possibly the most unwatchable brand of basketball in the entire league. This year was harder to watch than the 7 and 21 win seasons by a long shot. If Kemba isn't here I'm not forcing myself to watch 70+ games of this like I did this year. Depending on which team he was traded to, the Hornets might not be my favorite team anymore. If he got traded to the Sixers and they drafted D'Angelo Russell then I would definitely favor the Sixers over a Cliff/Al version of the Hornets. They probably wouldn't even have to draft Russell honestly, I really can't stand watching Al or Clifford's version of Van Gundy ball. As for your last question, I will say that I generally enjoy watching Kemba play. I certainly didn't after he came back from his injury. Pre-injury, it was almost entirely Al/Clifford/our general style that made it unwatchable for me (or to a lesser extent our other vets, but that is mostly on Clifford). So, I would disagree for roughly the first 2/3 of the season and agree for the last 1/3.

[Diop]

The fact remains that trading Kemba is a real possibility

I really don't think it is, I cant see this team trading Kemba, I think they value him pretty highly.

They will try and plug in some more shooting, maybe a new Sg and thats about it.

We're going into next season being led by Kemba and Al, I'm sure of it.

[DY_nasty]

Cho (and that old Portland FO) really did overvalue their players quite a bit

[Elden Payton]

My last post was sarcastic, but I seriously do want us to trade him (hopefully to the Sixers). Al is opting in and Clifford is likely keeping his job. I'd rather him not get traded and it work out here, but I don't really want to have to watch this team anymore if it continues to look like it did this season.That being said, I highly doubt he actually gets traded.

Does his extension kick in before we can trade him in the off-season?

His extension will kick in and we'll have to trade him as a 12m salary.

You openly admit that when Kemba is no longer on this team, then you will then support whichever team Kemba is on?

Kemba is a huge part of how unbearable it is to watch this team at times, do you agree with that statement?

I wouldn't stop being a fan of this team just because Kemba wasn't on it, but I generally tend to just watch the players I like, and don't really follow any particular team (at least to the extent that I do the Hornets) unless a group of players comes together that I really like. I started following this team because Kemba came here and I liked the young players we were acquiring and the direction we were headed, so they eventually became my favorite team. However, Al is literally my least favorite player of all time at this point and Clifford is probably the worst coach of any team I've ever liked in any sport. Our games are awful to watch and I pretty much had to force myself to watch them the last 1/3 of the season. I really like everyone on this team under 25, the Hornets franchise, and this board; but our veterans and coach are embarrassing and we play possibly the most unwatchable brand of basketball in the entire league. This year was harder to watch than the 7 and 21 win seasons by a long shot. If Kemba isn't here I'm not forcing myself to watch 70+ games of this like I did this year. Depending on which team he was traded to, the Hornets might not be my favorite team anymore. If he got traded to the Sixers and they drafted D'Angelo Russell then I would definitely favor the Sixers over a Cliff/Al version of the Hornets. They probably wouldn't even have to draft Russell honestly, I really can't stand watching Al or Clifford's version of Van Gundy ball. As for your last question, I will say that I generally enjoy watching Kemba play. I certainly didn't after he came back from his injury. Pre-injury, it was almost entirely Al/Clifford/our general style that made it unwatchable for me (or to a lesser extent our other vets, but that is mostly on Clifford). So, I would disagree for roughly the first 2/3 of the season and agree for the last 1/3.

Thank you for answering, I genuinely just wondered.

[Braggins]

The fact remains that trading Kemba is a real possibility

I really don't think it is, I cant see this team trading Kemba, I think they value him pretty highly.

They will try and plug in some more shooting, maybe a new Sg and thats about it.

We're going into next season being led by Kemba and Al, I'm sure of it.

Do you think there is any chance MJ might want to get rid of Al? I know it kind of seems unlikely considering the vibes we've gotten from our FO the last two year. However, I can't help but imagine what MJ thinks of Al's effort this year and him coming into the season so overweight. I feel like MJ would have probably tried to murder Al if they ever played on a team together.

[Diop]

Nope, I think we're stuck with them as our cornerstones. That's only my opinion though.

They're the closest we have to all stars, unless we somehow can land a genuine all star we're keeping them

[BeesWax]

The fact remains that trading Kemba is a real possibility

I really don't think it is, I cant see this team trading Kemba, I think they value him pretty highly.

They will try and plug in some more shooting, maybe a new Sg and thats about it.

We're going into next season being led by Kemba and Al, I'm sure of it.

Do you think there is any chance MJ might want to get rid of Al? I know it kind of seems unlikely considering the vibes we've gotten from our FO the last two year. However, I can't help but imagine what MJ thinks of Al's effort this year and him coming into the season so overweight. I feel like MJ would have probably tried to murder Al if they ever played on a team together.

MJ would have tried to strangle him but even with his massive hands he could not made it around Al's 17 chins.

[ball teacher]

The following is a list of Kemba's FG and FGA in his 62 games this season.

Games where Kemba shot 50+ percent are bolded.

1.)9-26
2.)1-11
3.)5-9
4.)4-13
5.)5-6
6.)6-16
7.)7-11
8.)6-16
9.)8-16
10.)3-14
11.)3-8
12.)5-15
13.)7-19
14.)6-15
15.)4-11
16.)6-19
17.)4-16
18.)2-9
19.)7-18
20.)4-15
21.)5-14
22.)11-21
23.)3-11
24.)11-20
25.)9-20
26.)13-23
27.)8-17
28.)5-12
29.)9-18
30.)2-13
31.)15-31
32.)7-22
33.)4-11
34.)4-16
35.)10-21
36.)12-26
37.)12-24
38.)12-25
39.)8-13
40.)9-24
41.)4-17
42.)3-14
43.)2-9
44.)4-14
45.)1-8
46.)3-8
47.)7-18
48.)4-11
49.)11-24
50.)4-13
51.)3-17
52.)7-19
53.)9-20
54.)7-13
55.)1-9
56.)11-21
57.)7-20
58.)5-13
59.)4-12
60.)2-11
61.)2-10
62.)6-15

kemba shot 50+ percent 12 times in 62 games.

Kemba shot less than 30 percent on 17 occasions in 62 games.

Kemba shot between 31-39 percent on 23 occasions in 62 games.

Kemba shot between 40-49 percent in 10 of 62 games.

What do these stats say?

The stats tell me what I have already known about Kemba as a undersized SG playing point, it's too hard to score at this league and at his size, and he cant do it at a efficient level.

The point guard position is the hardest position to score from, especially if your small, cause you have to first get past your defender and then get around the taller help defenders to try and get a good shot up. Kemba has to use so much energy just to advance the ball up the court, then call a play, then work even harder to even get a shot, not even a good shot, just any shot, many of his shots tend to be off balance jumpers too.

I dont know what we'll do with Kemba, I still think he's better suited being a Jason Terry or JJ Barrea type of the bench. Why? Cause Kemba is streaky, he can come in and get busy, especially against the opposing teams second units which is usually who he outplays anyways. Even on Kemba's best year he shot poorly, we've done more than enough to help him be a star, ran a offense designed for him, brought in the big man he wanted, gave him the greenest of lights, and a extension which assured him that to us, he's the man. I think Kemba, and Cliff are the biggest problems, followed by Al cause his lack of defense.
Kemba's shortcomings outweigh his positives, streaky scorer but inefficient, good team defender but bad on ball defender, plays hard but isnt a good playmaker, poor court vision, poor floor generalship, lately he's become a complainer, he tends to lose his confidence vs some of the better guards, he has too many moments in games where he just disappears. If the best player availabe is a SG who most want and consider a sure shot then we should get him, but of a very talented PG slips to us, we need to seriously consider grabbing him cause Kemba is not a franchise PG.

[yosemiteben]

The fact remains that trading Kemba is a real possibility and is something that would benefit the franchise in the long run imo.

Perhaps, but dumping him to the 76ers and including draft picks to do it would be asinine.

[CablexDeadpool]

Who are you you? Where do you come from? Shame on you for using logic. We're not used to that around here when it come to Kemba unless you're a Kemba homer or Uconn fan. I like Kemba and wanna keep him around but at this point I'm so tired of arguing a case for him that I wouldn't mind trading him for a run of the mill PG as long as we finally upgrade the wing position with a 3pt threat that can score at least 15ppg or a scoring big that can put up at least 15ppg without stagnating our offense.

I like Kemba's game and I spent a signifcant portion of my life in NC so I like to see North Carolina teams win.

But yeah, Kemba isn't that bad as people make him seem to be. His team just sucks so much ass and full of players that can't put the ball in the hoop from distance or even up close, (looking at you Bismack Biyombo) that it makes him ineffective. A lot of times I watch the games and you got like 3 defenders just sagging off their man, just to crowd Kemba, it looks really really bad.

For example, Kemba Walker is an above average 16<3pt shooter, shot over 40 or at 40 percent from there for 3 seasons. His game would be helped by a big man that can actually roll to the basketball and dunk it or pop out. Al Jefferson ain't gonna leave the low block, Bismack can't catch. You got people in the corners but they can't shoot so defenders don't care.

What happens?

Kemba ends up taking a contested 20 footer or trying to break his defender down to get off a 20 foot jumper or trying to split the double team for a contested lay up or trying to make a layup over a 7 footer.

But if you watch the Hawks, both Schroder and Jeff Teague got so much space and everybody needs to be respected, they often times got space to go one on one and not worry about 3 defenders crowding the paint or the midrange area.

Even Ty Lawson got shooters and big men that can catch and dunk it and his team sucked this year. He went several games without even trying to score.


Kemba gotta work hard for his 17 points. He seems to have a distrust of his teammates and tries to take over games, probably because he know they just gonna pass the ball right back to him (seen that many times in last the game against the Raptors) so he might as well just try to take teams on.


Kemba is a winner, he's used to playing hard and putting the team on his back. But he needs help, he can't do it by himself. I think he should be traded to a team that helps him be successful instead of a team that forces him to try to do it by himself.

[catch20two]

Who are you you? Where do you come from? Shame on you for using logic. We're not used to that around here when it come to Kemba unless you're a Kemba homer or Uconn fan. I like Kemba and wanna keep him around but at this point I'm so tired of arguing a case for him that I wouldn't mind trading him for a run of the mill PG as long as we finally upgrade the wing position with a 3pt threat that can score at least 15ppg or a scoring big that can put up at least 15ppg without stagnating our offense.

I like Kemba's game and I spent a signifcant portion of my life in NC so I like to see North Carolina teams win.

But yeah, Kemba isn't that bad as people make him seem to be. His team just sucks so much ass and full of players that can't put the ball in the hoop from distance or even up close, (looking at you Bismack Biyombo) that it makes him ineffective. A lot of times I watch the games and you got like 3 defenders just sagging off their man, just to crowd Kemba, it looks really really bad.

For example, Kemba Walker is an above average 16<3pt shooter, shot over 40 or at 40 percent from there for 3 seasons. His game would be helped by a big man that can actually roll to the basketball and dunk it or pop out. Al Jefferson ain't gonna leave the low block, Bismack can't catch. You got people in the corners but they can't shoot so defenders don't care.

What happens?

Kemba ends up taking a contested 20 footer or trying to break his defender down to get off a 20 foot jumper or trying to split the double team for a contested lay up or trying to make a layup over a 7 footer.

But if you watch the Hawks, both Schroder and Jeff Teague got so much space and everybody needs to be respected, they often times got space to go one on one and not worry about 3 defenders crowding the paint or the midrange area.

Even Ty Lawson got shooters and big men that can catch and dunk it and his team sucked this year. He went several games without even trying to score.


Kemba gotta work hard for his 17 points. He seems to have a distrust of his teammates and tries to take over games, probably because he know they just gonna pass the ball right back to him (seen that many times in last the game against the Raptors) so he might as well just try to take teams on.


Kemba is a winner, he's used to playing hard and putting the team on his back. But he needs help, he can't do it by himself. I think he should be traded to a team that helps him be successful instead of a team that forces him to try to do it by himself.

Thanks for your logic. It's greatly appreciated from a outsider's POV.

You explained with detail in a nutshell why all of our PGs over the past 4 years have shot at 40% or below (except for that 1 year Kemba shot about 43% under Dunlap), WE DON'T HAVE NO WING SHOOTING!

[fatlever]

Are people at the point yet where they have decided that not only can Kemba and Hendo not work next to each other, but also Kemba and MKG not work next to each other? We are never going to have good spacing with MKG in the lineup, even if we add a very good 3pt shooting SG, like Danny Green. Do we as fans or the front office ever get to the point where a decision has to be made between Kemba and MKG?

[JDR720]

Are people at the point yet where they have decided that not only can Kemba and Hendo not work next to each other, but also Kemba and MKG not work next to each other? We are never going to have good spacing with MKG in the lineup, even if we add a very good 3pt shooting SG, like Danny Green. Do we as fans or the front office ever get to the point where a decision has to be made between Kemba and MKG?

maybe, Cho mentioned MKG adding a corner 3 in his conference today so that might help a little.

anyway MKG vs Kemba im picking MKG

[fatlever]

Now, if we do find a legit 3pt shooting SG, like a Danny Green and MKG and Zeller add a semi respectable corner 3 to their games and Vonleh turns out to be a half decent stretch 4, then maybe, just maybe we can get away with Kemba and MKG in the future w/out having awful spacing. I think you'd like to have 3 or 4 3pt shooters on the floor at all times. But if we could get to 2.5 that would be a massive improvement.