Fake Trade Thread #3

[JMAC3]

Lol

(Not at you, but with you)


I still can't believe what seems like 75% of this board is cool with topping out as a capped out 7-10 seed punching bag every 3-4 years.

Have the Hornets been bad for so long that we measure success by being first round fodder?

I don't think anyone is rooting for the team to cap out at 7-10 seed, but I am curious what your plan would be to guarantee that is not where we end up?

[James Gatz]

Lol

(Not at you, but with you)


I still can't believe what seems like 75% of this board is cool with topping out as a capped out 7-10 seed punching bag every 3-4 years.

Have the Hornets been bad for so long that we measure success by being first round fodder?

I don't think anyone is rooting for the team to cap out at 7-10 seed, but I am curious what your plan would be to guarantee that is not where we end up?

Assuming we have already signed Hayward or not?

[luciano-davidwesley]

Spoiler:

Horford is 33 and will turn 37 in the final year of his contract.

Horford is 34.5. He was born June 1986.

Nash was an All-Star at 37.

So? Horford hasn't been an all-star since the 2017/2018, was a borderline all-star guy at his peak, and is coming off his worst season in a decade. Nash peaked as an MVP

Hayward was the most efficient player in basketball.

He ranked 46th in true shooting % last season.

I don't see what's wrong with winning now when you keep all picks and prospects, and they have room for further improvement.

I don't consider completely sabotaging your salary cap situation to get bounced in the first round winning.

The 15 million cap isn't about signing other players this year. It's about fitting and structuring Hayward's deal as a front loaded contract and about not stretching Batum.

Fair enough, but we only need to clear around 7 million to sign Hayward. Being able to front load his deal would be preferable, but not at the expense of torpedoing our cap for space for the foreseeable future and there are other options to explore to make the Hayward signing possible that don't do that.

We can use Boston's asset(s) towards trading for Oladipo.

I don't think Boston is giving us enough to get Oladipo and it would probably be a one year rental anyways.

Lol

(Not at you, but with you)


I still can't believe what seems like 75% of this board is cool with topping out as a capped out 7-10 seed punching bag every 3-4 years.

Have the Hornets been bad for so long that we measure success by being first round fodder?

I'm also in the camp opposed to entering NBA purgatory again.

[JDR720]

Why would Boston trade us anything of value? They are losing the best player in any trade, they aren't trading assets on top of that.

]We 100% shouldn't let them dump Horford on us either.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Hornet's motivation is to get GH without having to stretch Batum, but they will if they have to.

Celtic's motivation is to get a TPE so that they at least have a chance of getting another player to replace GH at some point in the next year. Without a S&T they end up with nothing. But it's better for them to have no deal than a bad deal.

The team's interests align given the reality of GH coming to Charlotte. The difficulty is finding a 3rd team that can help make this happen without costing too much. It's not in either team's interest to trade a first round pick to anyone, given that they are both getting 'nice to haves' in stead of 'must haves' in the deals.

My sense isn't that Boston is screwing around or that Mich is in over his head. It's more that other teams have been paying a LOT to move players because they had to. The teams that can help are asking for more than either Boston or Charlotte cares to give at the moment.

[316Hornets]

Hayward isn't Boston's player. He refused the option. They are wanting us to help them get a HUGE TPE, that allows them to spend about $25 million on a player between now and next November.

That TPE could be the difference between them winning it all and not.

[JMAC3]

Celtics have a bunch of younger guys who just do not play... they could easily toss a few of them in a deal to OKC to help facilitate like Carsen Edwards or Tremont Waters. We give OKC McDaniels. They get a couple extra young guys to give looks to this instead of playing Mike Muscala and George Hill 30 mpg on a team that won't even try to win a jump ball this year let alone a full game.

[BigSlam]

Char out: Batum
Char in: Hayward

Bos out: Hayward
Bos in: Wesbrook

Hou out: Westbrook
Hou in: Batum

https://tradenba.com/trades/VxAFDEeUx

We get our guy and avoid having to stretch Batum's contract.
Boston get Hayward's replacement and someone they hope will enable them to compete for a championship next season.
Houston get out of Westbook's contract replacing it with an expiring and, after trading Harden to Brooklyn, start with a clean slate.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Char out: Batum
Char in: Hayward

Bos out: Hayward
Bos in: Wesbrook

Hou out: Westbrook
Hou in: Batum

https://tradenba.com/trades/VxAFDEeUx

We get our guy and avoid having to stretch Batum's contract.
Boston get Hayward's replacement and someone they hope will enable them to compete for a championship next season.
Houston get out of Westbook's contract replacing it with an expiring and, after trading Harden to Brooklyn, start with a clean slate.

I can't see Boston doing this.

[BigSlam]

Char out: Batum
Char in: Hayward

Bos out: Hayward
Bos in: Wesbrook

Hou out: Westbrook
Hou in: Batum

https://tradenba.com/trades/VxAFDEeUx

We get our guy and avoid having to stretch Batum's contract.
Boston get Hayward's replacement and someone they hope will enable them to compete for a championship next season.
Houston get out of Westbook's contract replacing it with an expiring and, after trading Harden to Brooklyn, start with a clean slate.

I can't see Boston doing this.

Let's be honest: I'm growing impatient waiting for the Hayward deal to materialize and tossed something at the wall wondering if it would stick.

That said, I do see an advantage for each of the teams involved to make a deal like this one. And it works money wise!

[316Hornets]

I think Monk has to go. His defensive limitations will be too obvious playing with DG or Ball.

As corny as it sounds, Lonzo Ball would be a great fit.

Rozier, Monk, future lotto protected 1st for Redick, Lonzo

[LofJ]

Monk has come a long way on defense, he isn't a complete liability anymore. He can also score and as an 85% free throw shooter his shot will come around soon. I'd rather bet on him playing off LaMelo than his brother.

That said I think the writing may be on the wall with the emergence of Graham. If we don't have plans to extend Monk he should be traded. I also wouldn't mind moving Bridges, but if they're getting moved together I'd like to find a better fitting player than Lonzo. Someone like Wendell Carter or Mo Bamba would be who I'd want. Then we can go all in to find another wing in the 2021 draft.

[JMAC3]

I think Monk has to go. His defensive limitations will be too obvious playing with DG or Ball.

As corny as it sounds, Lonzo Ball would be a great fit.

Rozier, Monk, future lotto protected 1st for Redick, Lonzo

Maybe you just sit the next couple of plays out man

[BigSlam]

That said I think the writing may be on the wall with the emergence of Graham.

Why? They play different positions: Monk is a SG and Tae a PG.

[316Hornets]

I think Monk has to go. His defensive limitations will be too obvious playing with DG or Ball.

As corny as it sounds, Lonzo Ball would be a great fit.

Rozier, Monk, future lotto protected 1st for Redick, Lonzo

Maybe you just sit the next couple of plays out man

According to CraftedDPM, Monk is the 11th worst defender in the NBA. Yes, Redick is the 9th worst but he shot 45.3% from 3 on 6.6 attempts compared to Monk 28.4% on 3.7 attempts

https://craftednba.com/player-cats/sieve

[MasterIchiro]

I think the biggest complication here is our front office values Rozier more than current offers by a longshot. We aren't going to pay to unload a contract with at worst neutral value and I don't think Kupchak would deal him to the Knicks for cap alone. Kupchak would rather lose 9 million cap than Rozier. Rozier was top 5 in catch-and-shoot threes. That's not a 9 million dollar player.

So if teams are lowballing on Rozier it comes down to moving Batum and getting Boston to absorb some of the cost if they want the full TPE from Hayward. And I think there's no way Boston has made their fair contribution to OKC to get that 27.5 million trade exception from the Thunder. I think Kupchak would be more than happy to send out our 2022 second as partial compensation. No doubt in my mind Ainge is being greedy here. So I'm hoping Kupchak just walks away. The 9 million only limits us 2 years because this year we have no use for that spending power. The market is dry.

Hang up the phone on Ainge. He lost Hayward for nothing. Period.

[LofJ]

That said I think the writing may be on the wall with the emergence of Graham.

Why? They play different positions: Monk is a SG and Tae a PG.

They're both PG size though, so for defensive purposes it's better for them to not share the court concurrently. Two smaller guards sharing the court can work here and there, but it's not something I'd roll with all the time.

That said Monk is bigger than both Graham and Rozier. That reason and the fact that I still believe in him is why I'm in favor of moving Rozier instead.

We can't pay Graham, Monk, and Rozier; someone has to go. Since Rozier will be on an expiring contract at that point, and I believe Monk will be better than him in the near future I'd much rather trade Terry. Graham is a keeper, we're going to pay him regardless.

[Rays Pompadour]

I predict the lights will go on for Monk this season. If possible, sell high on Rozier. Graham is a keeper and a trade asset the year after his extension.

[TBri1974]

How would you guys feel about adding some value to a Batum for Randle trade? I get it, Randle doesn't play defense, but even if you bring him in off the bench, you are filling a need at big with someone capable of - and likely to - put up 20 and 10 at the expense of someone you will not play and you free up enough money to sign Hayward without paying Batum for the next three years. I think the Knicks only do this if a small incentive is attached. While we do not need Randle and Toppin at the same position, there is no incentive for us to trade a player in his prime years capable of a double double for a player past his prime who hasn't shown he should be on the floor for more money.

[BigSlam]

How would you guys feel about adding some value to a Batum for Randle trade? I get it, Randle doesn't play defense, but even if you bring him in off the bench, you are filling a need at big with someone capable of - and likely to - put up 20 and 10 at the expense of someone you will not play and you free up enough money to sign Hayward without paying Batum for the next three years. I think the Knicks only do this if a small incentive is attached. While we do not need Randle and Toppin at the same position, there is no incentive for us to trade a player in his prime years capable of a double double for a player past his prime who hasn't shown he should be on the floor for more money.

Ask your other Knicks board members who have come here and asked the same thing over the past week.

Why would we be interested in using an incentive to help you clear up your logjam while having to take on a 1 dimensional black hole of a player who has an inflated contract and plays the same position as some of our best prospects?

You can just enjoy your defensively deficient PF’s fighting each other for playing time.

Likewise, what incentives would you add for us to trade Rozier to you so we can clear our PG backlog and get Roziers contact off our books?


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