Fake Trade Thread #6

[wilson115]

Just putting this here for reference:

https://sports.yahoo.com/with-bulls-roster-shakeup-underway-is-zach-lavine-the-next-piece-on-the-move-150136313.html

Charlotte already conducted its business at February’s trade deadline as a clear rebuilding seller. The Hornets have the impending free agency of forward Miles Bridges to sort through now. And while Bridges could command upward of $30 million, sources said, the Hornets are also believed to be open to parting with Bridges by way of sign-and-trade, should a productive opportunity present itself. Charlotte, sources said, held conversations with Brooklyn about swapping Bridges in a package that would have brought Ben Simmons to the Hornets in February. Sacramento was another team that inquired about Bridges at the deadline, sources said.

Detroit and Charlotte hold the Nos. 5 and 6 picks, respectively, in next week’s draft, but only the Hornets have been characterized by league personnel as a legitimate possibility to move up in the draft. Houston at No. 3 could be more interested in moving its selection than keeping it. The Rockets, sources said, plan to entertain offers for the third pick, which could last all the way until Houston is on the clock Wednesday. The Rockets, sources said, are more intrigued by receiving future draft capital than any player who’s been made available to Houston at this point. Should the Rockets ultimately hold pat at this slot, unmotivated by external offers, Houston has been strongly linked by league personnel to Kentucky guard Reed Sheppard, who’s considered one of Charlotte’s top priorities at No. 6.

[JustBuzzin]

Find a way to get Whitmore from Houston.

[JDR720]

6th for Walker Kessler + 10th.

[NCHeels2008]

If the Bulls are rebuilding and want to dump salary we'd be smart to call them up and see if we can snag Vucevic. I don't think he'd require a first and with Clifford gone I'm confident our new coaching staff is smart enough to not feature him on offense.

Vucevic makes 2/41. Which honestly isn’t awful as an insurance plan for Mark. He also has been a guy that has shot 40% on over 6 attempts from 3 in the past so he would give us a 5 out look big.

We could guarantee Bertans and send him as expiring and Bulls salary dump Vuc. No idea what type of value they would want… can’t imagine the interest would be that high among teams

You could do a lot worse than having a floor spreading 5 as insurance. And you never know with the cap up another 10% next year someone may overpay the Hornets to have Vuc as a playoff rental whether due to injuries or needing to shore up a frontline. I don't see a lot of downside risk as his value can't be much.

[SWedd523]

I see we're at the propose ridiculous trade ideas stage of the draft process

[Rich4114]

If the Bulls are rebuilding and want to dump salary we'd be smart to call them up and see if we can snag Vucevic. I don't think he'd require a first and with Clifford gone I'm confident our new coaching staff is smart enough to not feature him on offense.

Vucevic makes 2/41. Which honestly isn’t awful as an insurance plan for Mark. He also has been a guy that has shot 40% on over 6 attempts from 3 in the past so he would give us a 5 out look big.

We could guarantee Bertans and send him as expiring and Bulls salary dump Vuc. No idea what type of value they would want… can’t imagine the interest would be that high among teams

You could do a lot worse than having a floor spreading 5 as insurance. And you never know with the cap up another 10% next year someone may overpay the Hornets to have Vuc as a playoff rental whether due to injuries or needing to shore up a frontline. I don't see a lot of downside risk as his value can't be much.

I mean, this team has long coveted a stretch 5. Not sure if Vuc is the answer, but there’s a limited amount of stretch 5’s to be had and having that on the floor helps in more ways than one.

Once again, we are at the mercy of what happens with Miles.

[dmutombo321]

Unless it's someone at the vet minimum for mentorship purposes, or taking on a soon to be expiring contact in return for material draft capital, win-now moves for 30yo+ veteran players should not be in the cards. You make those moves once you've got a young playoff team calibre core together and are ready to take the leap to truly contend ( i.e. Minnesota adding Gobert or Indy adding Siakham)...

If we add a Flagg or Bailey in next year's draft and make a playoff cameo that season, we may get there. We're not there yet and are still in the accumulation phase.

I'd trade back in this weak draft if possible, offer 22yo Patrick Williams an offer an sheet if it looks like Bridges will command too much money, and then position ourselves for another top 6 selection in next year's draft. We can also use the season to assess LaMelo's durability. Hopefully he's finally healthy. If he misses half the season again, the writing should be on the wall.


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[Bassman]

Like DMutumbo, I think our target for replacing Miles should be Patrick Williams. A Bulls UTuber was making the case for them to keep Williams if at all possible. His take was how much progress Patrick has made over his time from a raw draft pick to a real contributor when given minutes and role. He’s ONLY 22 and has been gaining strength as his body has matured. To me PWill is the best free agent (RFA in his case) option to invest in as a Miles replacement. But, he does have his pluses and minuses, so he’s a gamble. Would I prefer we could draft Sarr and put him there? Of course! That doesn’t seem to be an option. Here is a good web article related to Williams as a free agent target:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/patrick-williams-landing-spots-free-agency-worth-bulls/bbd08963732da7e8ea20f1a3

Here is a teaser comment from the author, prior to his analysis: “ I've watched over 90 percent of Williams' games since he came into the NBA, including preseason and Summer League, and I still do not have a good feel of the type of player he will become. There is a massive difference in potential outcomes for him.”

So probably as big a gamble as we could make.

Trade for John Collins? Another option since the Jazz were kinda putting him on the block prior to the last deadline. I like Collins, don’t love him, but does he do more than Williams does, at an even higher salary? He’s bigger for what that’s worth.

[amcoolio]

Unless it's someone at the vet minimum for mentorship purposes, or taking on a soon to be expiring contact in return for material draft capital, win-now moves for 30yo+ veteran players should not be in the cards. You make those moves once you've got a young playoff team calibre core together and are ready to take the leap to truly contend ( i.e. Minnesota adding Gobert or Indy adding Siakham)...

If we add a Flagg or Bailey in next year's draft and make a playoff cameo that season, we may get there. We're not there yet and are still in the accumulation phase.

I'd trade back in this weak draft if possible, offer 22yo Patrick Williams an offer an sheet if it looks like Bridges will command too much money, and then position ourselves for another top 6 selection in next year's draft. We can also use the season to assess LaMelo's durability. Hopefully he's finally healthy. If he misses half the season again, the writing should be on the wall.


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As much as I would want Flagg or Bailey, we just can't tank next year. Not only that, its dumb random luck who gets the top 2 picks. I mean look at the Hawks this year.

LaMelo is on a max. We need to be making the playoffs or at least very close.

[dmutombo321]

It's not just Flagg and Bailey; think even the #5 or #6 in next year's draft would be a #1 in 2024

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[KingCat]

Unless it's someone at the vet minimum for mentorship purposes, or taking on a soon to be expiring contact in return for material draft capital, win-now moves for 30yo+ veteran players should not be in the cards. You make those moves once you've got a young playoff team calibre core together and are ready to take the leap to truly contend ( i.e. Minnesota adding Gobert or Indy adding Siakham)...

If we add a Flagg or Bailey in next year's draft and make a playoff cameo that season, we may get there. We're not there yet and are still in the accumulation phase.

I'd trade back in this weak draft if possible, offer 22yo Patrick Williams an offer an sheet if it looks like Bridges will command too much money, and then position ourselves for another top 6 selection in next year's draft. We can also use the season to assess LaMelo's durability. Hopefully he's finally healthy. If he misses half the season again, the writing should be on the wall.


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As much as I would want Flagg or Bailey, we just can't tank next year. Not only that, its dumb random luck who gets the top 2 picks. I mean look at the Hawks this year.

LaMelo is on a max. We need to be making the playoffs or at least very close.

There's very few moves we can actually make that gets us to a playoff spot or even a playin. Talent wise the league is so stacked. We got Boston, New York, Philly, Milwaukee, Indiana, Cleveland, Orlando, who will all be guaranteed better than us.

Plus Miami, Atlanta, and Chicago will probably be ahead of us.

[MasterIchiro]

Unless it's someone at the vet minimum for mentorship purposes, or taking on a soon to be expiring contact in return for material draft capital, win-now moves for 30yo+ veteran players should not be in the cards. You make those moves once you've got a young playoff team calibre core together and are ready to take the leap to truly contend ( i.e. Minnesota adding Gobert or Indy adding Siakham)...

If we add a Flagg or Bailey in next year's draft and make a playoff cameo that season, we may get there. We're not there yet and are still in the accumulation phase.

I'd trade back in this weak draft if possible, offer 22yo Patrick Williams an offer an sheet if it looks like Bridges will command too much money, and then position ourselves for another top 6 selection in next year's draft. We can also use the season to assess LaMelo's durability. Hopefully he's finally healthy. If he misses half the season again, the writing should be on the wall.


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As much as I would want Flagg or Bailey, we just can't tank next year. Not only that, its dumb random luck who gets the top 2 picks. I mean look at the Hawks this year.

LaMelo is on a max. We need to be making the playoffs or at least very close.

There's very few moves we can actually make that gets us to a playoff spot or even a playin. Talent wise the league is so stacked. We got Boston, New York, Philly, Milwaukee, Indiana, Cleveland, Orlando, who will all be guaranteed better than us.

Plus Miami, Atlanta, and Chicago will probably be ahead of us.

Thank God we are released from the MJ win-now edict.

Have to make a longterm investment in fits with LaMelo & Miller.

That's Castle.

[amcoolio]

Unless it's someone at the vet minimum for mentorship purposes, or taking on a soon to be expiring contact in return for material draft capital, win-now moves for 30yo+ veteran players should not be in the cards. You make those moves once you've got a young playoff team calibre core together and are ready to take the leap to truly contend ( i.e. Minnesota adding Gobert or Indy adding Siakham)...

If we add a Flagg or Bailey in next year's draft and make a playoff cameo that season, we may get there. We're not there yet and are still in the accumulation phase.

I'd trade back in this weak draft if possible, offer 22yo Patrick Williams an offer an sheet if it looks like Bridges will command too much money, and then position ourselves for another top 6 selection in next year's draft. We can also use the season to assess LaMelo's durability. Hopefully he's finally healthy. If he misses half the season again, the writing should be on the wall.


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As much as I would want Flagg or Bailey, we just can't tank next year. Not only that, its dumb random luck who gets the top 2 picks. I mean look at the Hawks this year.

LaMelo is on a max. We need to be making the playoffs or at least very close.

There's very few moves we can actually make that gets us to a playoff spot or even a playin. Talent wise the league is so stacked. We got Boston, New York, Philly, Milwaukee, Indiana, Cleveland, Orlando, who will all be guaranteed better than us.

Plus Miami, Atlanta, and Chicago will probably be ahead of us.

If healthy, I see Charlotte in the same tier as Miami, Atlanta, Chicago, Indiana, and Orlando. The first three are declining and will jettison win-now players. The last two took advantage of a weak East and its not a given they are just better next season. New York is also plateauing and Thibs rarely puts together back to back good seasons. An injury to Brunson and they fall out of the playoffs pretty easily.

[MasterIchiro]

Spending is going to influence finish.

I believe the plan is to grow but not to compete for a play-in spot given the core youth and the need for time for development of chemistry. The core has not played together much and pick 6 needs to be part of that core. So we will have a rookie under development cracking our rotation.

The timing is off by a hair (one year or so). Let those older vet rosters ripen out one more draft cycle.

We have too many young players learning how to play the game right on both ends for us to prematurely try to rush their development.

It's a "lean" year. I believe it.

[Rich4114]

As much as I would want Flagg or Bailey, we just can't tank next year. Not only that, its dumb random luck who gets the top 2 picks. I mean look at the Hawks this year.

LaMelo is on a max. We need to be making the playoffs or at least very close.

There's very few moves we can actually make that gets us to a playoff spot or even a playin. Talent wise the league is so stacked. We got Boston, New York, Philly, Milwaukee, Indiana, Cleveland, Orlando, who will all be guaranteed better than us.

Plus Miami, Atlanta, and Chicago will probably be ahead of us.

If healthy, I see Charlotte in the same tier as Miami, Atlanta, Chicago, Indiana, and Orlando. The first three are declining and will jettison win-now players. The last two took advantage of a weak East and its not a given they are just better next season. New York is also plateauing and Thibs rarely puts together back to back good seasons. An injury to Brunson and they fall out of the playoffs pretty easily.

I agree with this. There's no way they're going to look at their young talent that's in development mode and say "ya know what, let's be bad for another season and hope we get lottery luck this time". I think what they've basically said is they won't rush it, they'll make moves that consider the long play but they have certainly not given off the impression the plan is to tank. Plus, that sort of thing is toxic to young players, especially someone like LaMelo who has been here a number of seasons and wants to win.

[JDR720]

It's in our interest to both win next season and keep our draft pick.

Ideally, we'll be in the playin hunt and barely miss out.

Get lucky in the lottery like Houston and move up a few spots.

I think our season comes down to health. Like always.

if Melo/Mark get hurt again, tank our butts off for Flagg and don't look back.

[MasterIchiro]

Suns are shopping pick 22. They are above the 2nd apron and owe all their 1st and 2nd round picks until 2030.

That is just remarkable.

Pick 22 will cost them a bunch of money and probably never be useful in their tight top-heavy rotation.

Would you trade Mann + 2027 Blazers 2nd for pick 22 + Nasir Little?

I would think Peterson developed some working relationships through the Durant trade. He knows people there and has dealt with them recently.

It's too bad Suns can't fit Micic for matching purposes. He's a great fit there. Micic earns 7.7 while Little makes 6.7. Mann makes 4.9.

The thought here is we can use pick 22, bundle it with 6 plus the Heat or Mavs 1st and grab Sheppard or Castle as a replacement for Mann.

[MasterIchiro]

Suns are shopping pick 22. They are above the 2nd apron and owe all their 1st and 2nd round picks until 2030.

That is just remarkable.

Pick 22 will cost them a bunch of money and probably never be useful in their tight top-heavy rotation.

Would you trade Mann + 2027 Blazers 2nd for pick 22 + Nasir Little?

I would think Peterson developed some working relationships through the Durant trade. He knows people there and has dealt with them recently.

It's too bad Suns can't fit Micic for matching purposes. He's a great fit there. Micic earns 7.7 while Little makes 6.7. Mann makes 4.9.

The thought here is we can use pick 22, bundle it with 6 plus the Heat or Mavs 1st and grab Sheppard or Castle as a replacement for Mann.

So 2 draft day trades

Mann + 2027 Blazers 2nd for pick 22 + Little.

Pick 6 + pick 22 + Heat or Mavs 1st for pick 3.

Reed Sheppard replaces Mann so we maintain the depth at PG while freeing minutes for pick 3.

LaMelo - Micic
Sheppard - Seth - NSJ
Miller - Martin - Little
Miles - G. Williams - Poku
Mark - Nick

We have Micic for 2 more years as a mentor floor general for LaMelo & Sheppard. Seth coaches up the shooting of LaMelo, Miller, Sheppard , NSJ and Poku for 1 year.

[Bassman]

Suns are shopping pick 22. They are above the 2nd apron and owe all their 1st and 2nd round picks until 2030.

That is just remarkable.

Pick 22 will cost them a bunch of money and probably never be useful in their tight top-heavy rotation.

Would you trade Mann + 2027 Blazers 2nd for pick 22 + Nasir Little?

I would think Peterson developed some working relationships through the Durant trade. He knows people there and has dealt with them recently.

It's too bad Suns can't fit Micic for matching purposes. He's a great fit there. Micic earns 7.7 while Little makes 6.7. Mann makes 4.9.

The thought here is we can use pick 22, bundle it with 6 plus the Heat or Mavs 1st and grab Sheppard or Castle as a replacement for Mann.

So 2 draft day trades

Mann + 2027 Blazers 2nd for pick 22 + Little.

Pick 6 + pick 22 + Heat or Mavs 1st for pick 3.

Reed Sheppard replaces Mann so we maintain the depth at PG while freeing minutes for pick 3.

LaMelo - Micic
Sheppard - Seth - NSJ
Miller - Martin - Little
Miles - G. Williams - Poku
Mark - Nick

We have Micic for 2 more years as a mentor floor general for LaMelo & Sheppard. Seth coaches up the shooting of LaMelo, Miller, Sheppard , NSJ and Poku for 1 year.

TOO MUCH to give up for 3 spots up in a weak draft IMO. Mann has value, would rather surrender NSJ in that scenario if it must be done.

[MasterIchiro]

Suns are shopping pick 22. They are above the 2nd apron and owe all their 1st and 2nd round picks until 2030.

That is just remarkable.

Pick 22 will cost them a bunch of money and probably never be useful in their tight top-heavy rotation.

Would you trade Mann + 2027 Blazers 2nd for pick 22 + Nasir Little?

I would think Peterson developed some working relationships through the Durant trade. He knows people there and has dealt with them recently.

It's too bad Suns can't fit Micic for matching purposes. He's a great fit there. Micic earns 7.7 while Little makes 6.7. Mann makes 4.9.

The thought here is we can use pick 22, bundle it with 6 plus the Heat or Mavs 1st and grab Sheppard or Castle as a replacement for Mann.

So 2 draft day trades

Mann + 2027 Blazers 2nd for pick 22 + Little.

Pick 6 + pick 22 + Heat or Mavs 1st for pick 3.

Reed Sheppard replaces Mann so we maintain the depth at PG while freeing minutes for pick 3.

LaMelo - Micic
Sheppard - Seth - NSJ
Miller - Martin - Little
Miles - G. Williams - Poku
Mark - Nick

We have Micic for 2 more years as a mentor floor general for LaMelo & Sheppard. Seth coaches up the shooting of LaMelo, Miller, Sheppard , NSJ and Poku for 1 year.

TOO MUCH to give up for 3 spots up in a weak draft IMO. Mann has value, would rather surrender NSJ in that scenario if it must be done.

Top 3 is top 3. If we consider Sheppard a tier above players 3 slots down, we would be likely to surrender a premium. Late 1st in a weak draft does nothing for the Rockets. They will want either the Heat or Mavs 1st.

As for Mann vs. NSJ. We are talking about the Suns here. They'd want the NBA-ready guy.

Shame Micic doesn't fit.