Fake Trade Thread #7

[fatlever]

Who the hornets were fans of in 2021 doesn't have any bearing on today. It was in different front office. we know that Mitch was obsessed with score first combo guards for some reason. No reason to think that Jeff has the same view of green that Mitch did. Nothing about green fits what we've heard about what this front office is looking for in their Hornet's DNA.

[fatlever]

I mean if the Rockets are just valuing having some cap space next year then maybe i'd float nurk/green and the 2026 acquired 1st for green.

[JMAC3]

Yes I would trade a possible/hopeful star for a guaranteed one. Especially JJJ given his fit on this roster.

Yeah it is more about having to pay Jaren Jackson 50 million+ per year. Luckily for Grizzlies he didn't make all-nba or he would have been elgible for 5/345 million extension (69 million)- he might decline an extension to try to make it again next year.

So a borderline All-NBA guy who plays a position of need you would not trade #4 in this draft for because of his salary? Brother, we are paying Nurkic, Josh Green and Miles Bridges more than what JJJ makes. I'd happily pay $55m to JJJ instead of those players if all I had to do was give up #4.

Right, but it isn't just as simple as this player is better than whoever we draft at #4.
Especially when we have other ways of adding good players with other picks.

If you trade #4 for JJJ making 40+ million then you likely aren't trading all of our other future picks for another big salary guy.
So what is better JJJ or #4 + big salary guy we get in another deal.

JJJ is a good player, but to me he isn't a great player.
Memphis was swept in first round, 2 of those games JJJ had 4pts and other he had 12pts.

[fatlever]

you trade for jjj because he's an elite defensive big who is good enough offensively to be your 3rd option. if you're relying on him to be your 1st/2nd option in playoffs, yeah thats not his role. typical unicorn big that most teams covet. Good enough to be a defensive player of the year candidate while still being good enough offensively to average 20 points a game and shoots 3s at at least league avg %s. not much different than bam in terms of role/impact on both ends.

on hornets jjj is 3rd option

Swept by the sixty eight win, best defensive team, Most likely nba champion, okc team, when ja was playing hurt and bane disappeared... not really on jjj

[JMAC3]

Yeah just agree to disagree, there is a reason top 5 picks are rarely traded for win now players.
I think it is going to be even more rare when what a guy is paid matters more than ever.

[JMAC3]

Would you trade #4 and 2027 Hornets first (top 4 protected) for #2?

That is pretty similar to Luka/Trae trade.
Hornets would still own Heat and Mavs firsts that year, so wouldn't impact us trading future picks at all.

[Rich4114]

Would you trade #4 and 2027 Hornets first (top 4 protected) for #2?

That is pretty similar to Luka/Trae trade.
Hornets would still own Heat and Mavs firsts that year, so wouldn't impact us trading future picks at all.

I'd do it for Flagg because he's basically a sure thing. Dylan Harper would be a phenomenal prospect to have but you risk giving up future assets for a player that might not be better than who you pick at 4.

[Liver_Pooty]

Would you trade #4 and 2027 Hornets first (top 4 protected) for #2?

That is pretty similar to Luka/Trae trade.
Hornets would still own Heat and Mavs firsts that year, so wouldn't impact us trading future picks at all.

Id want slightly more protections on the pick, maybe top 8, but id definitely do it.

[JMAC3]

Would you trade #4 and 2027 Hornets first (top 4 protected) for #2?

That is pretty similar to Luka/Trae trade.
Hornets would still own Heat and Mavs firsts that year, so wouldn't impact us trading future picks at all.

Id want slightly more protections on the pick, maybe top 8, but id definitely do it.

Mavs traded #5 and a future top 5 protected first to move up to #3.

I highly doubt we are getting a cheaper cost to move up to 2 then they did 3.

[HornetJail]

there's no way that gets it done imo

it would probably have to be our 2026 unprotected + more

And I'd still do it pretty effortlessly

[JDR720]

Then our luck would result in getting #1 overall for once.

I wouldn't trade any unprotected picks. We aren't good enough to trade that kind of asset for a prospect.

[fatlever]

re: jjj trade

I'm not suggesting we move the top four pick for anyone at this moment, especially one with only 1 yr on a deal. I'm just disagreeing with your assessment of JJJ as a player, and what a player like him would actually mean to the Hornets.

[fatlever]

Trading up for Harper... The Hornets would have to be absolutely sure that Harper and melo Could work long term as a partnership. I'm sure they've had plenty of discussions about it internally. Or have some potential down the road trades lined up for melo.
It's certainly a risky deal but if Harper is in a tear above the other prospects in their opinion and he fits the type of player they think the team needs then do what it takes to get him.

Bottom line is I want this front office to identify players that they want and that fit what they're trying to do and then be aggressive about acquiring those types of players. That pretty much applies to all situations not just potentially trading up for Harper. system player that fit coaches system and front office's vision... all aligned on same goals.

[JDR720]

As much as JJJ would help us, I don't think he's worth the contract he'll get. He's basically a better version of Myles Turner because he doesn't rebound.

If we keep him on a max + Melo on a max + eventually Brandon and whoever else, we're getting close to being an apron team too.

[JMAC3]

Then our luck would result in getting #1 overall for once.

I wouldn't trade any unprotected picks. We aren't good enough to trade that kind of asset for a prospect.

That is why you top 4 protect it.

[HornetJail]

Then our luck would result in getting #1 overall for once.

I wouldn't trade any unprotected picks. We aren't good enough to trade that kind of asset for a prospect.

Harper is the kind of prospect I think you do that for. We'd still have assets to build a team. This isn't the Panthers who were completely devoid of talent two years ago on both sides of the field and decided to throw in the kitchen sink for Bryce

[JMAC3]

re: jjj trade

I'm not suggesting we move the top four pick for anyone at this moment, especially one with only 1 yr on a deal. I'm just disagreeing with your assessment of JJJ as a player, and what a player like him would actually mean to the Hornets.

Draymond Green makes 25 million per year. Great player, but I probably wouldn't want to pay him 50 million per year.
The Celtics are having to give away Porzingis and Holiday, why? Because Jaylen Brown makes 53 million dollars.

I am paying someone 40-50 million a year I don't want them to sometimes be a good third option and other games score 5 ppg.

[JDR720]

Then our luck would result in getting #1 overall for once.

I wouldn't trade any unprotected picks. We aren't good enough to trade that kind of asset for a prospect.

Harper is the kind of prospect I think you do that for. We'd still have assets to build a team. This isn't the Panthers who were completely devoid of talent two years ago on both sides of the field and decided to throw in the kitchen sink for Bryce

Is he significantly better than the top 5 prospects in next years draft? Boozer's kid is in that one, I think. 2026 may be stronger than this draft is at the top.

[LofJ]

Don't become a prisoner of the moment. You never know what kind of player will emerge from one year to the next. Few people expected Davis, Zion, Flagg to be as good as they were a year before they were drafted. Trading an unprotected pick for a team as unreliable as ours is crazy. You have to at least top 3 protect it.

[fatlever]

re: jjj trade

I'm not suggesting we move the top four pick for anyone at this moment, especially one with only 1 yr on a deal. I'm just disagreeing with your assessment of JJJ as a player, and what a player like him would actually mean to the Hornets.

Draymond Green makes 25 million per year. Great player, but I probably wouldn't want to pay him 50 million per year.
The Celtics are having to give away Porzingis and Holiday, why? Because Jaylen Brown makes 53 million dollars.

I am paying someone 40-50 million a year I don't want them to sometimes be a good third option and other games score 5 ppg.

50 mil Is probably the going rate for a 25 year old 6 foot 10 unicorn power forward, two-time All-Star and former defensive player of the year. Not sure why you're Singularly focused on his offensive output even though he did average 22 points a game the last two years. What 35 year old Draymond Green is making right now is kind of irrelevant.

id argue that jjj is more deserving of making fifty million a year than melo.