Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

[Kembastockton]

sounds like the trick with brooks will be getting him to understand good shots from bad shoots. the talent is there, but will he get the mental part of the game that translates in to winning games and playing good team ball.

at 19 he is definitely worth the risk. but is he worth it at 9? thats the real question.

I think Brooks gets a bad rap. The guy was the best player on a very young team. They had 7 freshman, 2 sophs, and 3 seniors. He had to carry them in order for them to have any chance of winning. You don't think this guy is gonna walk on an NBA team and starting chucking up 3's like he did in college?

I see both sides of this issue. Everyone is in agreement that he has the physical tools to be some thing special. The question is does he have the mentality to be. JR Smith has the physical tools to be special, but not the mentality. Despite being on a bad team in a bad conference his lack of leadership hurts his stock. If he had been more of a playmaker and less of a chucker we would be talking about how we could trade up to get him. Instead we are talking about whether or not we should take him nine or nineteen. If the front office thinks that they can work with his flaws I say that we pick him at nine, and bring him along slowly. I think he is our best chance at a star.

[ohara]

Beginning to get very wary of Burks at #9. Silas says we need 3 point scoring. Burks only shoots 29% from 3 pt land in college, and the breakdown of his game says he shoots poorly as he gets outside 15 ft. Not seeing where he is ideal for us at #9. Let's see if he wows us at the team workout. But right now, I think Brooks is more of a scoring threat from outside in terms of what Silas wants, and we might be able to get him at #19.

[SWedd523]

When you look at this draft class, Burks is the one guy I can see averaging 20 points a game some time in his career.

That alone is good enough for me.

[BigSlam]

Beginning to get very wary of Burks at #9. Silas says we need 3 point scoring. Burks only shoots 29% from 3 pt land in college, and the breakdown of his game says he shoots poorly as he gets outside 15 ft. Not seeing where he is ideal for us at #9. Let's see if he wows us at the team workout. But right now, I think Brooks is more of a scoring threat from outside in terms of what Silas wants, and we might be able to get him at #19.

Brooks only shot 34% from three last season - and that was on 6.2 attempts per game so it's not like he was lighting it up from down town (Vs Burks 29.2% on his 2.5 attempts per game). Also keep in mind that Burks did shoot 35.2% from three his freshmen year (1.8 attempts per game) which is a better % than Brooks has ever shot from down town in 4 years of college play.

It's not like Brooks is some sort of Klay Thompson like scorer (40% on 7.2 attempts per game).

I'm just sayn'.................

[Kembastockton]

I think one of these two is our guy at nine. I think it really depends upon what kind of kids they are in their team interviews. I don't think we go wrong with either. I think we are looking at the difference between apples and oranges here. I think that the real drama is outside of one of these two nice young two guards who are the other guys that we draft?

[BigSlam]

Regardless of their actual skill set and how it fits into what we have or don't have on the roster right now, the only thing I want at #9 is the kid with the most super star potential. If that means Kemba, Burks, Brooks, Bitchsmack, Kwahi, Twin #1, Jimmer or one of the many foreigners - so be it. I just want to try and knock one out of the park at #9 and would be happy to totally ignoe actual team need.

[Kembastockton]

The four that you named I believe are our best shots.

[ohara]

Regardless of their actual skill set and how it fits into what we have or don't have on the roster right now, the only thing I want at #9 is the kid with the most super star potential. If that means Kemba, Burks, Brooks, Bitchsmack, Kwahi, Twin #1, Jimmer or one of the many foreigners - so be it. I just want to try and knock one out of the park at #9 and would be happy to totally ignoe actual team need.

Exactly. I just want the BPA at #9. And hope they are better than we even expected.

[BigSlam]

Regardless of their actual skill set and how it fits into what we have or don't have on the roster right now, the only thing I want at #9 is the kid with the most super star potential. If that means Kemba, Burks, Brooks, Bitchsmack, Kwahi, Twin #1, Jimmer or one of the many foreigners - so be it. I just want to try and knock one out of the park at #9 and would be happy to totally ignoe actual team need.

Exactly. I just want the BPA at #9. And hope they are better than we even expected.

????

Didn't you say in the other thread that you were beginning to get very wary of Burks at #9 because of his shooting outside of 15ft?

What I am saying is that doesn't worry me. I don't mind his shooting - not if he ends up being as good as (a 100% healthy) Brandon Roy - who interestingly enough had question marks about his range going into his draft class and who, like MJ, Kobe, Wade etc worked on it and became a respectable three point shooter - just like I think Burks can be.

[ohara]

All I'm saying is I want the BPA at #9. My thoughts on Burks are simply in relation to what Silas said the other day about wanting more 3 pt shooters on the team. Which is not Burks best asset. I am saying I am wary if he is really so high on the Bobcats radar since Silas specifically said he was looking for 3 pt scoring. That's all. Makes me wonder if there is a Big there at #9 that he is more comfortable with, that he would take the Big over Burks.

It may have been the way I was phrasing it. My bad for causing confusion.

[bobcats3wallace]

I'm starting to really fall in love with Klay Thompson. He is currently projected between 10 and 18 for the most part, but I don't think he will fall to our 19 spot. I know many are talking about Burks, but why not Thompson? He is a better scorer and a much better shooter. Thompson also has some better size and could probably better fill that future SF role. I think Klay Thompson is quickly starting to become my choice at 9. Either him or Donatas Motiejunas would probably be my top choices at 9. Then I would look to Marshon Brooks or Jodran Hamilton at 19. If we were to draft Klay Thompson at 9, then look Brooks at 19. That would give us two young scorers off the bench, and I truly think Klay could step into that eventual starting SF role. Brooks would be a nice change of pace from Hendo off the bench.

Who knows, we may even be able to get Klay Thompson at 9 and Donatas Motiejunas at 19...wouldn't that be a dream draft? I'm going to go with this draft...and of course it will probably change 3 more times at least, haha.


9: Klay Thompson
19: Marshon Brooks
39: JaJuan Johnson

All 3 of those guys could be great scorers off our bench next season...that would probably be my perfect draft.

[ZackAttack23]

NO! Haha I do not want. I think it should go like this.
9th: Jordan Hamilton
19: Marshon Brooks
39: Keith Benson

[penquin11]

9th: Bismack Biyombo: We get our center of the future, a guy with incredible speed/quickness who plays extremely aggressive and can be very explosive around the rim. At the Nike World Hoops Summit he nearly dunked over Anthony Davis while jumping from just inside the free throw line.... He is eager to improve and has a very winning attitude.... By the time he is 22 he could be a 15ppg type of guy, and already has the ability to get 11rpg, and 2.5 bpg + 1 spg.
19th: Malcom Lee: He has been Wowing scouts with his shot, specifically his mid-long range game. Furthermore he looks as if yet another miss-used guard from UCLA (Others are that of Jrue, Collison, and Westbrook), He is very professional and has good athletism.
39th: Nikola Vucevic: This kid is BETTER then Donatas, watch his euroleague games, and his general performances..... At 39 he is a STEAL, he will eventually become a strong starter.....

[bobcats3wallace]

NO! Haha I do not want. I think it should go like this.
9th: Jordan Hamilton
19: Marshon Brooks
39: Keith Benson

Jordan Hamilton is projected by many in the 18-20 range and you would be happy with taking him at 9? You could most likely have him there for the taking at 19...

[Kembastockton]

NO! Haha I do not want. I think it should go like this.
9th: Jordan Hamilton
19: Marshon Brooks
39: Keith Benson

It bothers me that Jordan tested so poorly athletically. At nine we are in more need of a high long term potential player. A player who is immediate help, but short on long term potential is best selected at nineteen. Matter of fact as poorly as he tested athletically he might not even be that much help short term. NBA defenses might shut him down off the gate. We already have Matt Carroll. Do we really need another unathletic shooter on the roster?

[bobcats3wallace]

9th: Bismack Biyombo: We get our center of the future, a guy with incredible speed/quickness who plays extremely aggressive and can be very explosive around the rim. At the Nike World Hoops Summit he nearly dunked over Anthony Davis while jumping from just inside the free throw line.... He is eager to improve and has a very winning attitude.... By the time he is 22 he could be a 15ppg type of guy, and already has the ability to get 11rpg, and 2.5 bpg + 1 spg.
19th: Malcom Lee: He has been Wowing scouts with his shot, specifically his mid-long range game. Furthermore he looks as if yet another miss-used guard from UCLA (Others are that of Jrue, Collison, and Westbrook), He is very professional and has good athletism.
39th: Nikola Vucevic: This kid is BETTER then Donatas, watch his euroleague games, and his general performances..... At 39 he is a STEAL, he will eventually become a strong starter.....

Problem is Bismack is not a C. He will be a PF...at C he would get absolutely dominated. At 19 I would be fine with taking a chance on Bismack, but not at 9. I have not seen anything said about Nikola Vucevic...do you have more info on him?

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Not sure Vucevic will fall out of first round. I don't know much abotu Lee aside some interviews and the thing he was heavily pointed out as someone who should stay at college for one more year. Hey he may be around for 39th pick. Not a fan so far.

I would be really pissed if we somehow pass on Bismack. Now we for once have a training staff which makes big men better so we should utilize it as much as we can.

[Kembastockton]

9th: Bismack Biyombo: We get our center of the future, a guy with incredible speed/quickness who plays extremely aggressive and can be very explosive around the rim. At the Nike World Hoops Summit he nearly dunked over Anthony Davis while jumping from just inside the free throw line.... He is eager to improve and has a very winning attitude.... By the time he is 22 he could be a 15ppg type of guy, and already has the ability to get 11rpg, and 2.5 bpg + 1 spg.
19th: Malcom Lee: He has been Wowing scouts with his shot, specifically his mid-long range game. Furthermore he looks as if yet another miss-used guard from UCLA (Others are that of Jrue, Collison, and Westbrook), He is very professional and has good athletism.
39th: Nikola Vucevic: This kid is BETTER then Donatas, watch his euroleague games, and his general performances..... At 39 he is a STEAL, he will eventually become a strong starter.....

Bismack- I could see taking him at nine if he is still on the board. But I would prefer a wing here as my preference in this draft is to load up on wings, and hope that we pick high enough next year to scoop one of the franchise bigs that should come out.

Malcom- Not this high. I would rather take whoever drops between Marshon, Klay, Hamilton, and Singleton. I am not sure where you read that he was wowing scouts. I had barely seen his name mentioned so far. Jrue and Collison are hardly Steve Nash, and Russell could very well be an aberration. Asking Malcom to live up to Westbrook is a whole lot to ask.

Nikola will never fall that far. He measured as the biggest player at the combine after already having a strong division one career for a competitive team. If we take a wing at nine he may well be our pick at 19. At 39 I am hoping for DJ's long term backup. My wishlist is Nelson, Jenkins, Goudeluck, and Mack. I would be thrilled if we took anyone of them.

[Rich4114]

So now that we're into this debate on the speed of each guy, if DJ is the fastest guard in the NBA then why the hell does he suck so bad compared to other PG's?

Last time I checked, nobody became a star of any sort based solely on speed. Nobody told that to Al Davis when he drafted what's his face about a round too early in the NFL draft. Congrats, you got a WR who is faster than anyone else, too bad he can't catch the ball or get open.

You suck at valuation of players, that's the easiest answer. No, we can't take Felton back.

That was a constructive response. Let me know when you've come up with something factual to debate my question.

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That was more constructive and spot on than any NFL babble.