1st rd pick general discussion #2 overall Pt 2 (New Poll)

nuposse04 · Post #461 » by **nuposse04** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:25 am

Wiz fan here, if Ernie has any brains left in that noggin of his, He'd start fielding calls for people who may want Robinson. Our only legitimate hope is that for some reason Sacramento would covet Robinson as well.

Honestly I just want MKG and to move on, Beal was the safe choice for the Wiz IMO but I'll take option 1B as well.

TheKingofSting · Post #462 » by **TheKingofSting** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:28 am

ball teacher wrote:
SportsBoy wrote:Correct!!!
Cavs are hurting at SG and SF
I say, we take whats left

Do you guys think Beal is a better player than Austin Rivers, I think he and Kyrie would be a very nice combo to have!

Yes, Rivers could possibly end up scoring more points but Beal dominates him in every other area.

JMAC3 · Post #463 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:14 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

I would call this bluff. Washington is clearly just mad that we are working with Cavs so they can get Beal.

Either way at 4 we are gonna have our choice of MKG, Barnes, or Robinson. And only God knows who the front office really wants.

freakon0mics · Post #464 » by **freakon0mics** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:30 am

I want Beal but if we are going to trade with Cleveland this obviously hurts our shot at him. It's becoming more and more likely that Robinson would be the choice. He will be there at 2 if we stand pat and at 4 if we trade down. I don't see Washington and Cleveland going after Robinson simply because I think they are pretty loaded at PF.

-Ian- · Post #465 » by **-Ian-** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:48 pm

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanCBS
Most feel Charlotte will take Thomas Robinson if keep No. 2 pick. Sources told CBSSports Michael Kidd-Gilchrist heavily under consideration.

ball teacher · Post #466 » by **ball teacher** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:49 pm

freakon0mics wrote:I want Beal but if we are going to trade with Cleveland this obviously hurts our shot at him. It's becoming more and more likely that Robinson would be the choice. He will be there at 2 if we stand pat and at 4 if we trade down. I don't see Washington and Cleveland going after Robinson simply because I think they are pretty loaded at PF.

If we really want Robinson, trading down to 4, maybe even 5 shouldn't be an issue with the Bobcats getting him, I dont think Cho and company have Beal on the radar. It seems like our front office knows Cleveland and Washington want Barnes, MKG, and Beal and those teams are concerned we may take one. Cleveland has the 4th pick and you'd think they would be content at grabbing which ever of the 3 players are left for them, but them being so eager to m ove up to the 2nd pick kind of tells me they really want on of the 2 SF's.

If we want Robinson, and I'm starting to think that's who we may want, we could give Sac the 2nd pick if they take Tyrus because word is they may want to pair Cousins with Drummond. I doubt they take Beal at SG since they already have a small backcourt, and Barnes skipped their workout altogether which cant make them too happy.

I'd even consider dealing the 2nd pick to Portland for their 6th pick as long as they're willing to take Tyrus. Portland does need a SF but they could also use a SG so they maybe tempted to want to take Beal which would still possibly have Robinson available for us and Washington and Cleveland can get their SF's they covet.

Post #467 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:54 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Im picking up a 12 pack and calling into work Friday. Pretty pumped.

I've already booked Friday off work - and have 30 beers chilling in the fridge ready and waiting....

Post #468 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:57 pm

SportsBoy wrote:Correct!!!
Cavs are hurting at SG and SF
I say, we take whats left

Pretty much my exsact thinking for us if we traded down to #4.

We'd be getting one of either: Beal, Robinson or Barnes. All of them would fill a need for us so we couldn't lose.

RichBoy923 · Post #469 » by **RichBoy923** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:09 pm

ball teacher wrote:
SportsBoy wrote:Correct!!!
Cavs are hurting at SG and SF
I say, we take whats left

Do you guys think Beal is a better player than Austin Rivers, I think he and Kyrie would be a very nice combo to have!

Hell yeah. Rivers is stuck between two positions because of his skill set. He has to have to ball in his hands to do well but he is not a point guard. He can score the basketball but he isn't very multidimensional.

Rivers would not fit well on this team with Kemba.

-Ian- wrote:Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanCBS
Most feel Charlotte will take Thomas Robinson if keep No. 2 pick. Sources told CBSSports Michael Kidd-Gilchrist heavily under consideration.

I would be mad if we stuck at 2 and selected Robinson. If we picked Beal, MKG, or Barnes there it'd make sense but trade down where we know he is still going to be there. Also, in the process, pick up more picks.

bobcats3wallace · Post #470 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:21 pm

We don't know Trob would make it past Washington. You could say the same thing you said about Trob about MKG. Say Washington has TRob ahead of MKG on their big board and we trade down with MKG being our target. Well, if we stay at two and select MKG then would you be mad then as well because we could had traded down to get MKG?

And your honestly proposing that Barnes is worthy of the number 2 pick but Trob isn't?

Bassman · Post #471 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:23 pm

We need to see this draft through the eyes of Cho, not our own.

Cho is building Charlotte on the OKC model. With that in mind, what players fit the roles?

> Kemba is Cho's Westbrook
> Biz is Cho's Ibaka
> Ben Gordon just became Cho's Harden

The missing pieces include the "Durant" and "Perkins" parts. Barnes might dvelop into a dependable scorer/shooter, but he won't reach anythibng close to Durant status. MKG is more of a Sefolosha player...strong defender, not a great shooter. Robinson would become the key piece as a post scorer and rebounder...something OKC needed more of in the finals. This is why I think they rank it Robinson, Barnes, MKG.

RichBoy923 · Post #472 » by **RichBoy923** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:26 pm

bobcats3wallace wrote:We don't know Trob would make it past Washington. You could say the same thing you said about Trob about MKG. Say Washington has TRob ahead of MKG on their big board and we trade down with MKG being our target. Well, if we stay at two and select MKG then would you be mad then as well because we could had traded down to get MKG?

And your honestly proposing that Barnes is worthy of the number 2 pick but Trob isn't?

I am not saying Barnes is worthy of a number 2 (I don't think he is), just that TRob is likely to fall to 4. I am just saying that he is the likeliest to fall to 4 between those 3.

But if TRob is dratfed before 4...then we take whoever is highest on our board Beal, MKG, Barnes and then we still have an extra pick from trading down.

chabber · Post #473 » by **chabber** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:49 pm

Bassman wrote:We need to see this draft through the eyes of Cho, not our own.

Cho is building Charlotte on the OKC model. With that in mind, what players fit the roles?

> Kemba is Cho's Westbrook
> Biz is Cho's Ibaka
> Ben Gordon just became Cho's Harden

The missing pieces include the "Durant" and "Perkins" parts. Barnes might dvelop into a dependable scorer/shooter, but he won't reach anythibng close to Durant status. MKG is more of a Sefolosha player...strong defender, not a great shooter. Robinson would become the key piece as a post scorer and rebounder...something OKC needed more of in the finals. This is why I think they rank it Robinson, Barnes, MKG.

I don't think the "OKC Model" is supposed to be taken that literally.

Badd_Intentions · Post #474 » by **Badd_Intentions** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:11 pm

Yea how often does a guy like Durant come along?

Bassman · Post #475 » by **Bassman** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:17 pm

Badd_Intentions wrote:Yea how often does a guy like Durant come along?

No doubt about that. My goal was to point out the similarities in players that Cho has brought here relative to those with OKC, and extend the analogy relative to who he is likely seeking to add. Robinson doesn't fit OKC's current group precisely, but they need a stronger scorer on the post to get over the hump in the future. Robinson would solve a lot of our issues relative to rebounding and front line scoring. I also think Cho would seek to fill our starting SF spot with someone who can provide quality shooting and scoring, versus a lockdown defender like MKG who struggles to shoot.

Cho said himself that he is building the Cats on the OKC model.

_tijo_ · Post #476 » by **_tijo_** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:39 pm

RichBoy923 wrote:
ball teacher wrote: Do you guys think Beal is a better player than Austin Rivers, I think he and Kyrie would be a very nice combo to have!

Hell yeah. Rivers is stuck between two positions because of his skill set. He has to have to ball in his hands to do well but he is not a point guard. He can score the basketball but he isn't very multidimensional.

Rivers would not fit well on this team with Kemba.

Rivers is not a very good player... I watched a bunch of him at Duke, and he has no court vision at all. Which is funny, since his dad had awesome court vision. He is the prototypical ball-hog... it's not like Duke didn't have other players that could score, he just would take it to the rack and try to shoot over three guys every time. And miss because he's small.

BeesWax · Post #477 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:17 pm

Bassman wrote:
Badd_Intentions wrote:Yea how often does a guy like Durant come along?

No doubt about that. My goal was to point out the similarities in players that Cho has brought here relative to those with OKC, and extend the analogy relative to who he is likely seeking to add. Robinson doesn't fit OKC's current group precisely, but they need a stronger scorer on the post to get over the hump in the future. Robinson would solve a lot of our issues relative to rebounding and front line scoring. I also think Cho would seek to fill our starting SF spot with someone who can provide quality shooting and scoring, versus a lockdown defender like MKG who struggles to shoot.

Cho said himself that he is building the Cats on the OKC model.

One of Robinson's biggest knocks is his lack pf post moves. He has very little offensive game. Drafting him gives us our Collison which is not where we should go with the #2 or #4. I think MKG gives us a good defender which would help more in building to the model. Gotta have that lock down wing guy.

Post #478 » by **fatlever** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:25 pm

building on OKC model is simply to imply we are collecting young assets, building slowly through the draft, not trying to hoard cap space for luring free agents, also not overspending on role players. collect picks, make smart draft choices.

doesnt mean we will have similar players or even a similar style to OKC or that biz = ibaka and kemba = westbrook etc...

Post #479 » by **BigSlam** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:28 pm

Bassman wrote:We need to see this draft through the eyes of Cho, not our own.

Cho is building Charlotte on the OKC model. With that in mind, what players fit the roles?

I doubt he meant actually replicating player for player......

Snidely FC · Post #480 » by **Snidely FC** » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:41 pm

Right now I think our highest upside player is Biz, and I think drafting TRob helps Biz the most . TRob was the best rebounder in college. Rebounding is a skill that translates to the NBA. Having a rebounder on the court will help Biz tremendously. To me, picking TRob is a little bit of 2 for 1 pick because he will benefit Biz the most.

Who should the Bobcats draft at #2?