The 2013 free agency thread.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I'm liking the mayo idea.

If Hendo wants 4/28 but we could get Mayo for 4/32 then who would you take?

it's time we make a bold move imo.

Neither at those numbers. Those are good old school contracts. I just don't think that we will see much of that this off season. The new CBA rules are going into full effect.

That said Hendo vs Mayo for roughly the same numbers I would stick with Hendo. Mayo has a better 3 point shot but Hendo seems more consistent.

[BeesWax]

Its laughable people are saying we need to pay McRoberts 5 million a year, but they only think we should offer Mayo 6. I think we need to look at free agency a lot different than what many of you guys have been. We overvalue our players and downgrade everybody else.

McBob is 6'10, only 26. He aggressively rebounded. He looked to set picks and pass, at all times getting others involved. He played within the system. Other parts of the team worked better when he was on the floor. He did it all with a joie de vivre that inspired esprit des corps. In short, he played basketball the way I enjoy seeing it played. Call me a terrible homer but I would definitely overpay him to stay.

I agree I would pay McRoberts because he could start and help train Cody on being a PF in the NBA. McRoberts does a lot of good work off the dribble and passing wise. Those are things he could help Cody with. Help him get a feel for the game facing the basket.

[Red Larrivee]

Worth noting that not only would Hendo likely be cheaper, but we can exceed the cap to re-sign him. As a RFA he has a cap hold, but we could hold off on re-signing him at first and even fill up the rest of our cap space if we wanted and still have room for Hendo, can't say that for Mayo.

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Actually, you can say the same thing about Mayo. The Bobcats can renounce Henderson as a free agent and clear out $7.7M in cap room. Teams are allowed to renounce restricted FA's without consent until 7/23. That would give you the room to sign Mayo and then sign other free agents without roadblocks.

They can go over the cap to match an offer sheet for Henderson, but that doesn't mean they can use all of their cap space at the same time. Once you get to $7.7M in cap room and Henderson still hasn't signed a deal, then you can't use it. You're at an impasse because of the cap hold.

[HornetJail]

not a big Mayo fan. if it was between him and Hendo I prefer Hendo

This, and the price difference makes it a no-brainer. You can bet somebody is going to throw Derozan money at OJ Mayo in hopes that he becomes a 20ppg scorer. Even if Hendo makes 7M+, he's still going to be making less than most of the players he's compared to (Afflalo, etc).

[HornetJail]

Here's our salary breakdown going into next year:

We have $43,375,407 invested in guaranteed contracts, only $34,681,192 if we amnesty Tyrus Thomas. (Kemba, Sessions, JT, MKG, Biz, Z-Rex, Driftwood, and Grumpy Cat)

Renouncing Diop, Williams, Pargo, and Adrien, and keeping the rights to McBob, Hendo, Mullens adds $17,461,473 worth of cap holds, putting us just over $60M with Tyrus on board, and around $52M without him. Renouncing Mullens (we still own his bird rights even though he is not a RFA) puts us at $55M with Tyrus and $46M without him. Both McBob and Hendo are likely to sign for less than their cap holds ($4.08M and $7.75M respectively), so it's likely we could have as little as $43M or $44M going into next season. That's nearly $15M in cap space AFTER re-signing Hendo and McBob.

[MasterIchiro]

I'm liking the mayo idea.

If Hendo wants 4/28 but we could get Mayo for 4/32 then who would you take?

it's time we make a bold move imo.

Neither at those numbers. Those are good old school contracts. I just don't think that we will see much of that this off season. The new CBA rules are going into full effect.

That said Hendo vs Mayo for roughly the same numbers I would stick with Hendo. Mayo has a better 3 point shot but Hendo seems more consistent.

Are you OK with consistently not having a legit 3pt threat on the starting 5? I always thought a deep threat is pretty much an essential piece on any starting 5 but I guess we can get by without one?

The Bobcats ranked 27th in three-point makes and percentage last season.

Cho publicly acknowledged our need for a perimeter threat before the draft.

It seems no one in the majority here is willing to acknowledge that same need.

And many of you want to stay the course.

I don't get it.

[BeesWax]

I'm liking the mayo idea.

If Hendo wants 4/28 but we could get Mayo for 4/32 then who would you take?

it's time we make a bold move imo.

Neither at those numbers. Those are good old school contracts. I just don't think that we will see much of that this off season. The new CBA rules are going into full effect.

That said Hendo vs Mayo for roughly the same numbers I would stick with Hendo. Mayo has a better 3 point shot but Hendo seems more consistent.

Are you OK with consistently not having a legit 3pt threat on the starting 5? I always thought a deep threat is pretty much an essential piece on any starting 5 but I guess we can get by without one?

Fine sign Korver or Morrow cheap and you have your three point shooter if you need one so bad. We just don't want to way overpay Mayo. He got 4.2 last year and I am willing to give him 5 or maybe 6 on a 3 or 4 year deal. That is as high as I would be willing to go.

[MasterIchiro]

Neither of those guys are starters. Gordon can come off the bench and chuck but he's not a starter either.

[BeesWax]

Well then I don't see a compromise here. I don't want to risk adding such a potential chemistry bomb to our team. He is a good fit when he wants to be game wise but such a poor fit in every other facet of the job. Just not worth the gamble.

[MasterIchiro]

Well then I don't see a compromise here. I don't want to risk adding such a potential chemistry bomb to our team. He is a good fit when he wants to be game wise but such a poor fit in every other facet of the job. Just not worth the gamble.

With this team constantly wanting to do the safe thing, that's how you end up with MKG instead of Drummond and Lamb...Zeller instead of McLemore or Noel. So we'll go with the safe "consistent" guy Henderson instead of Mayo even though we ranked near dead last in 3 pt makes and 3 pt%. Instead of reach for a guy whose upside is primary scorer we will take the guy who is guaranteed to never be a primary scorer, yet is more consistent.

I suspect fans feel Henderson keeps us a bottom 3 team and the tank strategy is on the back of everyone's minds. We are afraid to add a player who could potentially add enough wins to take us out of the top 5. Well I'm sick of losing and I pray the owner is sick of losing. We'll see though. Perhaps the Wiggins wet dream will continue.

[BeesWax]

Well then I don't see a compromise here. I don't want to risk adding such a potential chemistry bomb to our team. He is a good fit when he wants to be game wise but such a poor fit in every other facet of the job. Just not worth the gamble.

With this team constantly wanting to do the safe thing, that's how you end up with MKG instead of Drummond and Lamb...Zeller instead of McLemore or Noel. So we'll go with the safe "consistent" guy Henderson instead of Mayo even though we ranked near dead last in 3 pt makes and 3 pt%. Instead of reach for a guy whose upside is primary scorer we will take the guy who is guaranteed to never be a primary scorer, yet is more consistent.

I suspect fans feel Henderson keeps us a bottom 3 team and the tank strategy is on the back of everyone's minds. We are afraid to add a player who could potentially add enough wins to take us out of the top 5. Well I'm sick of losing and I pray the owner is sick of losing. We'll see though. Perhaps the Wiggins wet dream will continue.

I am not a fan of losing either. That is why I do not want Mayo. I do not want to spend the type of money he would cost on a guy who can try to bring down the whole team. The fact that he skipped practices in Memphis and got into a fist fight with a teammate cannot be overlooked. I would be fine with adding a guy that could help this team win as long as the risk reward matches up. I am a borderline person for adding Cousins but I would consider it because of the talent and the position. Mayo does not make up for his flaws with his talent so the gamble is to big there.

[Liver_Pooty]

Mayo is barely an upgrade over Henderson, and could strongly be argued he's not an upgrade at all. Henderson will be cheaper so Henderson > Mayo.

[MasterIchiro]

Well then I don't see a compromise here. I don't want to risk adding such a potential chemistry bomb to our team. He is a good fit when he wants to be game wise but such a poor fit in every other facet of the job. Just not worth the gamble.

With this team constantly wanting to do the safe thing, that's how you end up with MKG instead of Drummond and Lamb...Zeller instead of McLemore or Noel. So we'll go with the safe "consistent" guy Henderson instead of Mayo even though we ranked near dead last in 3 pt makes and 3 pt%. Instead of reach for a guy whose upside is primary scorer we will take the guy who is guaranteed to never be a primary scorer, yet is more consistent.

I suspect fans feel Henderson keeps us a bottom 3 team and the tank strategy is on the back of everyone's minds. We are afraid to add a player who could potentially add enough wins to take us out of the top 5. Well I'm sick of losing and I pray the owner is sick of losing. We'll see though. Perhaps the Wiggins wet dream will continue.

I am not a fan of losing either. That is why I do not want Mayo. I do not want to spend the type of money he would cost on a guy who can try to bring down the whole team

Bring down the whole team = hyperbole. It's just not the basis of an honest conversation about what we're going to do right here, right now about improving on 27th in 3pt makes and %.

Let's realistically look at this year's free agent class of SG. Mayo is the best SG.

Let's realistically look at next years free agent SG. Nobody better than Mayo.

So again, we are banking on the 2014 draft for a SG when we could use that pick for WCS instead or Julius Randle if we get lucky.

Most here want to set this team up to absolutely have to depend on the 2014 draft for a primary scorer.

It's a longshot and you need to hedge your bet.

[BeesWax]

With this team constantly wanting to do the safe thing, that's how you end up with MKG instead of Drummond and Lamb...Zeller instead of McLemore or Noel. So we'll go with the safe "consistent" guy Henderson instead of Mayo even though we ranked near dead last in 3 pt makes and 3 pt%. Instead of reach for a guy whose upside is primary scorer we will take the guy who is guaranteed to never be a primary scorer, yet is more consistent.

I suspect fans feel Henderson keeps us a bottom 3 team and the tank strategy is on the back of everyone's minds. We are afraid to add a player who could potentially add enough wins to take us out of the top 5. Well I'm sick of losing and I pray the owner is sick of losing. We'll see though. Perhaps the Wiggins wet dream will continue.

I am not a fan of losing either. That is why I do not want Mayo. I do not want to spend the type of money he would cost on a guy who can try to bring down the whole team

Bring down the whole team = hyperbole. It's just not the basis of an honest conversation about what we're going to do right here, right now about improving on 27th in 3pt makes and %.

Let's realistically look at this year's free agent class of SG. Mayo is the best SG.

Let's realistically look at next years free agent SG. Nobody better than Mayo.

So again, we are banking on the 2014 draft for a SG when we could use that pick for WCS instead or Julius Randle if we get lucky.

Most here want to set this team up to absolutely have to depend on the 2014 draft for a primary scorer.

It's a longshot and you need to hedge your bet.

Mayo is also the SG on the market with the most red flags. Don't gloss over the fact that he got yelled at this year for being out of it during games. He skipped practices and hit a teammate. I am not banking on luck, I would love a guy with Mayo's talent if he was not a head case. If you were bringing up someone without character concerns I would not mind. Mayo is not worth the money people are going to pay him.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Are you OK with consistently not having a legit 3pt threat on the starting 5? I always thought a deep threat is pretty much an essential piece on any starting 5 but I guess we can get by without one?

The Bobcats ranked 27th in three-point makes and percentage last season.

Cho publicly acknowledged our need for a perimeter threat before the draft.

It seems no one in the majority here is willing to acknowledge that same need.

And many of you want to stay the course.

I don't get it.

No. Long term this team will need a strong 3 point threat either at the 2 guard spot or at PF ... or at both really. It's the only way Kemba, Biz, & MKG will be able to operate. This is one of the reasons I was high on McLemore, but that bridge is crossed.

I'm just not sold on any of this year's free agent SGs as starters. Mayo is a better 3 point threat. I'm not really against signing him but he doesn't strike me as a long term solution. Hendo ... for a reasonable contract ... I'm willing to take a bit more of a chance on to see if he continues to develop 3 point range. He's gotten better each year and with a dedicated shooting coach on staff I'm willing to hope a bit more.

Honestly this team isn't going to be "complete" until 2014. I'm not obsessing about filling ALL the holes this year.

[hotrod]

Henderson > Mayo. It's more about attitude and fit I think. I don't think Mayo is a fit here.

[James Gatz]

Even though I agree with the sentiment we need a 3 point threat I would prefer Hendo over Mayo. We need to keep consistant culture and build chemistry.

[MasterIchiro]

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Worth noting that not only would Hendo likely be cheaper, but we can exceed the cap to re-sign him. As a RFA he has a cap hold, but we could hold off on re-signing him at first and even fill up the rest of our cap space if we wanted and still have room for Hendo, can't say that for Mayo.

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His cap hold is $7,753,318 though, hopefully more than what would be his salary in first year of his new contract. Thus strictly for cap space reasons he should be signed rather sooner than later.

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I'm liking the mayo idea.

If Hendo wants 4/28 but we could get Mayo for 4/32 then who would you take?

it's time we make a bold move imo.

Neither at those numbers. Those are good old school contracts. I just don't think that we will see much of that this off season. The new CBA rules are going into full effect.

That said Hendo vs Mayo for roughly the same numbers I would stick with Hendo. Mayo has a better 3 point shot but Hendo seems more consistent.

Are you OK with consistently not having a legit 3pt threat on the starting 5? I always thought a deep threat is pretty much an essential piece on any starting 5 but I guess we can get by without one?

The Bobcats ranked 27th in three-point makes and percentage last season.

Cho publicly acknowledged our need for a perimeter threat before the draft.

It seems no one in the majority here is willing to acknowledge that same need.

And many of you want to stay the course.

I don't get it.

He acknowledged reabounding as well. I am not sure Zeller solves that. Maybe he is meant to solve three point shooting though.