Barbeque Chicken: The Cody Zeller Thread - Pt 2

[Eoghan]

Biyombo's rookie PPG: 5.2
Zeller's rookie PPG: 6

offensive juggernaut!

Zeller's really not that better offensively than Biz, he just looks much less awkward like everybody else. He shoots FTs better, that's about it.

[mrknowitall215]

I see the defensive mind of Clifford is trying to show off his newfound rotation flexibility by moving Henderson to SF and Zeller to C to expend minutes away from two of the Hornets' best defenders in MKG & Biyombo. I guess I can't say I didn't see the prequel of this happening in the playoff series against the Heat, but it didn't work to well then, at least certainly not enough to make me warrant being a advocate of it

[yosemiteben]

I see the defensive mind of Clifford is trying to show off his newfound rotation flexibility by moving Henderson to SF and Zeller to expend minutes away from two of the Hornets' best defenders in MKG & Biyombo.

Lots of game tape by which to make that observation, huh?

[mrknowitall215]

I see the defensive mind of Clifford is trying to show off his newfound rotation flexibility by moving Henderson to SF and Zeller to expend minutes away from two of the Hornets' best defenders in MKG & Biyombo.

Lots of game tape by which to make that observation, huh?

Nah, just a few articles articulating such

[yosemiteben]

I see the defensive mind of Clifford is trying to show off his newfound rotation flexibility by moving Henderson to SF and Zeller to expend minutes away from two of the Hornets' best defenders in MKG & Biyombo.

Lots of game tape by which to make that observation, huh?

Nah, just a few articles articulating such

Has there been anything about moving Hendo to SF as opposed to bringing him off the bench? I thought that was a question mark at this point? I think it's pretty obvious that Clifford appreciates MKG's contributions defensively.

I just find it funny that despite the evidence last season of Clifford's ability to construct a top tier defense, before we have played a single game this season you act like you already are able to offer constructive criticism on what our rotations are going to be.

[mrknowitall215]

Lots of game tape by which to make that observation, huh?

Nah, just a few articles articulating such

Has there been anything about moving Hendo to SF as opposed to bringing him off the bench? I thought that was a question mark at this point? I think it's pretty obvious that Clifford appreciates MKG's contributions defensively.

I just find it funny that despite the evidence last season of Clifford's ability to construct a top tier defense, before we have played a single game this season you act like you already are able to offer constructive criticism on what our rotations are going to be.

There's been a lot of talk in various articles over the past month about the possibility of Henderson starting at the SF position instead of MKG without mentioning the eyebrow raiser that Clifford dropped on media day that he's uncertain on which of the two would start, leaving the SF position the only position in the starting lineup a anonymity

...and furthermore, is there something wrong with having a 'opinion' in a forum? The last time I checked, that's what it's made for

[Liver_Pooty]

Nah, just a few articles articulating such

Has there been anything about moving Hendo to SF as opposed to bringing him off the bench? I thought that was a question mark at this point? I think it's pretty obvious that Clifford appreciates MKG's contributions defensively.

I just find it funny that despite the evidence last season of Clifford's ability to construct a top tier defense, before we have played a single game this season you act like you already are able to offer constructive criticism on what our rotations are going to be.

There's been a lot of talk in various articles over the past month about the possibility of Henderson starting at the SF position instead of MKG without mentioning the eyebrow raiser that Clifford dropped on media day that he's uncertain on which of the two would start, leaving the SF position the only position in the starting lineup a anonymity

...and furthermore, is there something wrong with having a 'opinion' in a forum? The last time I checked, that's what it's made for

Competition is good. I don't really have a problem with it. Hopefully MKG beats Henderson out, but if he doesn't its on him.

[yosemiteben]

Nothing wrong with having an opinion, it just strikes me as amusing that you are already criticizing defensive rotations that you haven't seen yet on the assumption that our coach who last season somewhat miraculously pieced together a top tier defense is going to hurt our defense by changing the rotation. Feel free to continue to hold that opinion, just seems strange to me.

I'll confess that I don't get who is going to fill the PF slot if Zeller comes off the bench at center. Maybe MKG? That seems to go against Clifford saying he wants more size. Definitely don't understand how it will work but, again, I think it's pretty obvious that Clifford knows what he is doing.

I agree with LP's take.

[Liver_Pooty]

Nothing wrong with having an opinion, it just strikes me as amusing that you are already criticizing defensive rotations that you haven't seen yet on the assumption that our coach who last season somewhat miraculously pieced together a top tier defense is going to hurt our defense by changing the rotation. Feel free to continue to hold that opinion, just seems strange to me.

I'll confess that I don't get who is going to fill the PF slot if Zeller comes off the bench at center. Maybe MKG? That seems to go against Clifford saying he wants more size. Definitely don't understand how it will work but, again, I think it's pretty obvious that Clifford knows what he is doing.

I agree with LP's take.

I don't think Zeller will be the primary backup center, but will backup both the PF and center spots depending on what the opposing team does. The rotations in the pre season should give us a good indication of what to expect.

[JDR720]

I doubt Cody is the backup center unless the other team has a "stretch 5" since Cody can guard those better than Biz

[mrknowitall215]

Nothing wrong with having an opinion, it just strikes me as amusing that you are already criticizing defensive rotations that you haven't seen yet on the assumption that our coach who last season somewhat miraculously pieced together a top tier defense is going to hurt our defense by changing the rotation. Feel free to continue to hold that opinion, just seems strange to me.

I'll confess that I don't get who is going to fill the PF slot if Zeller comes off the bench at center. Maybe MKG? That seems to go against Clifford saying he wants more size. Definitely don't understand how it will work but, again, I think it's pretty obvious that Clifford knows what he is doing.

I agree with LP's take.

I'm not criticizing it. I'm just stating that I'm not a advocate of it. I don't view Zeller as a C and I don't view Henderson as a SF, and I believe will struggle to defend those positions due to length, 'in my opinion'

I just can't imagine getting the best out of Zeller at C when he'll be physically outmatched. At the same time, I see where Clifford will have his opportunities to play Zeller there when the matchup allows it, but for some reason when I read into what Clifford was saying, it appeared possible that he was saying that Zeller will flexibly be the backup PF and C, while Biyombo will just get the spare minutes leftover between

[mrknowitall215]

I doubt Cody is the backup center unless the other team has a "stretch 5" since Cody can guard those better than Biz

Based on Clifford's comments, I think Zeller will be the first big off the bench whether he's substituting for the PF or C position

[yosemiteben]

I doubt Cody is the backup center unless the other team has a "stretch 5" since Cody can guard those better than Biz

Based on Clifford's comments, I think Zeller will be the first big off the bench whether he's substituting for the PF or C position

He did say in the article that it'll depend on matchups, but honestly I don't know what to think. I can't imagine Marvin playing more than 30 MPG, so unless Clifford wants to go small or play Zeller a ton of minutes (or use Maxiell) Biz is going to have to get some burn.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Seems as though Lance would start at SF (with Hendo at SG) before Hendo would start at the 2.

In the end I think Hendo is the first off the bench though.

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[mrknowitall215]

I doubt Cody is the backup center unless the other team has a "stretch 5" since Cody can guard those better than Biz

[JDR720]

Pero Nowitzki *shakes fist*

[Eoghan]

I doubt Cody is the backup center unless the other team has a "stretch 5" since Cody can guard those better than Biz

Yeah, that's a good point. Damn that Pero "GTA character" Antic.

[BeesWax]

I doubt Cody is the backup center unless the other team has a "stretch 5" since Cody can guard those better than Biz

Well he is abusing Jefferson there.

[BeesWax]

Nothing wrong with having an opinion, it just strikes me as amusing that you are already criticizing defensive rotations that you haven't seen yet on the assumption that our coach who last season somewhat miraculously pieced together a top tier defense is going to hurt our defense by changing the rotation. Feel free to continue to hold that opinion, just seems strange to me.

I'll confess that I don't get who is going to fill the PF slot if Zeller comes off the bench at center. Maybe MKG? That seems to go against Clifford saying he wants more size. Definitely don't understand how it will work but, again, I think it's pretty obvious that Clifford knows what he is doing.

I agree with LP's take.

I'm not criticizing it. I'm just stating that I'm not a advocate of it. I don't view Zeller as a C and I don't view Henderson as a SF, and I believe will struggle to defend those positions due to length, 'in my opinion'

I just can't imagine getting the best out of Zeller at C when he'll be physically outmatched. At the same time, I see where Clifford will have his opportunities to play Zeller there when the matchup allows it, but for some reason when I read into what Clifford was saying, it appeared possible that he was saying that Zeller will flexibly be the backup PF and C, while Biyombo will just get the spare minutes leftover between

Everything I have read and heard from Clifford does not mention Henderson at SF. When the talk of Henderson or MKG being the starter it has been about Lance being able to play the SF while Hendo is in and SG while MKG is in. Now I do not see any way to avoid Henderson playing some SF as a backup at least while he and Neal are in the game together. Unless they feel Hairston can play SF there. As for Cody there will be matchups where it will be ok to have Cody at center against reserve centers. Some teams play with just 1 real cetner and a PF as his backup, those are teams we could make this move on.

[HornetJail]

I doubt Cody is the backup center unless the other team has a "stretch 5" since Cody can guard those better than Biz

ouch. that game cost us a 1st round matchup against Toronto rather than Miami.