Hornets Sign Lance Stephenson 3y/27.5 mil (p67)

[Liver_Pooty]

I don't want him but he's growing on me, if you just watch footage and ignore everything else, going all out for this guy makes sense.

That said, I think anything over 8m per is a risk, 10 you could live with, but it's really pushing the envelope.

In regards to our recruitment potential, Hornets+Playoffs+Kemba+Jordan is a damn good pitch.

I just watched a few highlight clips of him. The guy would be such a talent upgrade for us at SG its kind of scary, but half the time he would be show boating and such.

I have no problem with being cocky, but constant arrogance can get annoying

There's a part of my brain that says sign this guy quick, and another part saying, this guy will the team down.

It would suck to be a GM in this type of situation, this is a guy that could get Cho fired.

My mind was once all for him 110% and now I find myself going backwards to say 75-80% now. I don't know what were going to do, I just wish we would do it.

[Elden Payton]

It's only the second day of free agency!

The longer it goes, the more teams will blow their cap on average players and Lances value will go down.

[MasterIchiro]

The advantage of Waiters over Lance is the cap space. If the deal were Zeller straight up for Waiters, we'd be around 20 million. That's $$ for McRoberts + Parsons.

Adding Lance limits improvement in other areas of need.

Waiters would give us some flexibility and his price is theoretically lower since the Cavs want to split him and Irving. Waiters has never had any good coaching in the pros.

[Liver_Pooty]

It's only the second day of free agency!

The longer it goes, the more teams will blow their cap on average players and Lances value will go down.

Or it could go up as the teams that have been waiting for Carmelo and Lebron realize they have missed out and turn their attention towards him.

[Elden Payton]

It's only the second day of free agency!

The longer it goes, the more teams will blow their cap on average players and Lances value will go down.

Or it could go up as the teams that have been waiting for Carmelo and Lebron realize they have missed out and turn their attention towards him.

True but it seems Hayward is that guy at the moment.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

True but it seems Hayward is that guy at the moment.

He is a smart, team first guy, who makes other players better. Lacks Lances outright talent, especially on D.

The issue with Lance isn't just the antics. The rest of the team has to put up with him during practices, flights, media sessions and more. It's going to get old after a while if he doesn't grow up.

[Liver_Pooty]

It's only the second day of free agency!

The longer it goes, the more teams will blow their cap on average players and Lances value will go down.

Or it could go up as the teams that have been waiting for Carmelo and Lebron realize they have missed out and turn their attention towards him.

True but it seems Hayward is that guy at the moment.

Hayward was always going to get an insane pay day because he is not only talented, but an extremely high character and hard working kid.

If Stephenson wasn't such an ass he would have already signed a max deal with someone. Character these days to GM's is almost as important as talent is.

[Elden Payton]

I think character with talent is the biggest asset in the league, which is why I don't want Stephenson at high value.

Waiters for Zeller at this point is buying low.

Aside from fighting with the Kyrie fan club, Waiters hasn't shown to be anywhere near as volatile as Stephenson.

I think Zeller is going to be a very good player in this league, but Waiters is going to be an all-star in the right situation.

[Elden Payton]

Hayward deserves to be paid, and will be a very good player in Cleveland/Phoenix etc, nowhere near worth the max though.

[Liver_Pooty]

Hayward deserves to be paid, and will be a very good player in Cleveland/Phoenix etc, nowhere near worth the max though.

Hayward only shot 30% from 3 last year though without Jefferson getting him open shots. Getting them two reunited would be incredible, but if we offered him a max deal id be royally pissed off.

[JDR720]

If we offer Hayward the max and he isn't averaging 20/6/6 on good efficiency and making All-Star teams or at least being close (since its a popularity contest) i would be pretty sad

[Liver_Pooty]

If we offer Hayward the max and he isn't averaging 20/6/6 on good efficiency and making All-Star teams or at least being close (since its a popularity contest) i would be pretty sad

He better average close to 23 a game on pretty good shooting percentages and stay healthy to get the max. There is a reason why Cleveland was thinking about giving him a max offer sheet and haven't yet, and thats because the Jazz may just laugh their ass off and leave Cleveland with him making that kind of money.

Of course there is also the Lebron thing as well... Bastard is holding everything up

[Elden Payton]

Hayward at the max is a shortsighted treadmill move for any team.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Hayward at the max is a shortsighted treadmill move for any team.

I'm not sure that I agree. If he really does help push the team to another level then it would be worth it. And with both the new cba and cap damage would be limited if it didn't work out. It would be a gamble, but could pay off.

[Liver_Pooty]

If Lebron somehow miraculously leaves to the west along with Carmelo then Hayward could potentially help us get to the NBA finals.

We would get our asses smoked in the finals like the Nets did back to back times in the early 2000s, but damn would it be awesome.

[Elden Payton]

Hayward at the max is a shortsighted treadmill move for any team.

I'm not sure that I agree. If he really does help push the team to another level then it would be worth it. And with both the new cba and cap damage would be limited if it didn't work out. It would be a gamble, but could pay off.

For example, with the Cavs, if he signs for the max they would have nearly half the cap tied up between them.

Phoenix is a good choice but can a team in rebuild mode, tie up half its cap between 3 guys who play the 1-2?

He's a damn good player and worth 9m+ but not the max.

[Liver_Pooty]

Hayward at the max is a shortsighted treadmill move for any team.

I'm not sure that I agree. If he really does help push the team to another level then it would be worth it. And with both the new cba and cap damage would be limited if it didn't work out. It would be a gamble, but could pay off.

For example, with the Cavs, if he signs for the max they would have nearly half the cap tied up between them.

Phoenix is a good choice but can a team in rebuild mode, tie up half its cap between 3 guys who play the 1-2?

He's a damn good player and worth 9m+ but not the max.

His agent is probably salivating right now after Meeks got 6 per and Avery Bradley got 8 per. To be honest I would rather just sit out this free agency ordeal than overpay like an idiot. Thats probably why were more interested in trades than just signing someone outright.

[Elden Payton]

I'm not sure that I agree. If he really does help push the team to another level then it would be worth it. And with both the new cba and cap damage would be limited if it didn't work out. It would be a gamble, but could pay off.

For example, with the Cavs, if he signs for the max they would have nearly half the cap tied up between them.

Phoenix is a good choice but can a team in rebuild mode, tie up half its cap between 3 guys who play the 1-2?

He's a damn good player and worth 9m+ but not the max.

His agent is probably salivating right now after Meeks got 6 per and Avery Bradley got 8 per. To be honest I would rather just sit out this free agency ordeal than overpay like an idiot. Thats probably why were more interested in trades than just signing someone outright.

No matter how many lockouts the NBA has, it always gets worse.

I'd rather get assets for Lin and trade for need than blow it all this offseason.

[Liver_Pooty]

For example, with the Cavs, if he signs for the max they would have nearly half the cap tied up between them.

Phoenix is a good choice but can a team in rebuild mode, tie up half its cap between 3 guys who play the 1-2?

He's a damn good player and worth 9m+ but not the max.

His agent is probably salivating right now after Meeks got 6 per and Avery Bradley got 8 per. To be honest I would rather just sit out this free agency ordeal than overpay like an idiot. Thats probably why were more interested in trades than just signing someone outright.

No matter how many lockouts the NBA has, it always gets worse.

I'd rather get assets for Lin and trade for need than blow it all this offseason.

Would have to be an hell out of an asset to take on an 8 million dollar contract for a backup, and I seriously doubt Houston would throw in Parsons. Terrence Jones maybe? Thats probably as much wishful thinking or more than Parsons

[ARHornet]

It's one year. If you aren't gonna spend that 8 million in free agency, you could do a lot worse than Lin as your backup PG for a year.