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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#461 » by GoBobs » Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:08 pm

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JDR720 wrote:The difference is Kerr and Seth can't do anything besides shoot 3's. Reed has a much better all-around game.

He's more like Derrick White, Brogdon or maybe Mike Conley. All-around PG/SG, although he's a better shooter than those guys. Could see a Booker or Beal if his 1v1 scoring is good enough.

Nobody thought Booker would turn into a 25+ppg scorer, he was once just viewed as a shooter too.


Derrick White was 6.45 in shoes and 189 lb at the combine. Brogdon was even bigger. Neither of them sniffed the lottery and neither is worth trading a top 5 pick for even in a bad draft.

Derrick White and Brogdon are two more examples of guys who drastically outperformed their draft status as they where criminally overlooked. They didn't dunk like Westbrook, Wall or Ja so they were ignored despite their obvious natural instincts and feel for the game. Their successes reinforces the fact if anything that we shouldn't just be looking at the most athletic and tall/long guys at the detriment of actual basketball players.

Brogdon is 6'4, not bigger and at this stage we are merely assuming Sheppard is a lot smaller than 6'3 for some reason.

But I'm sure we'll all feel better about drafting some guy that can't catch a ball but is 6'11 with a 40 inch vertical and the correct skin colour for a basketball player apparently.


In general I agree with you. Skill is more important than size. I don't want another Kai Jones, JT Thor ect that we have to teach how to play basketball.

Sheppard does not have Brogdon's size though and it isn't close. Those are different categories of players in terms of size.

Sheppard is listed at 6'3'' on his college info page. Those types of numbers are historically generous and virtually always the height in shoes.

Brogdon measured at the nba combine 6'5.5'' in shoes with a 6'10'' wingspan and weighing 223 lbs.

Here is a video of him dunking in college.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#462 » by SWedd523 » Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:33 pm

I wanna see where some of y'all are ranking Sheppard relative to the other draftees
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Post#463 » by Diop » Mon Mar 11, 2024 10:57 pm

Just to poke the bear more :D

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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#464 » by Diop » Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:02 pm

Also I understand Bravors concerns about Sarr watching him play last night. His screens really are terrible, they’re more pokes or shoves using his hands only. His opponent went extra physical and really took him out of his game. He will get bullied for a while
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#465 » by MPM » Mon Mar 11, 2024 11:41 pm

SWedd523 wrote:I wanna see where some of y'all are ranking Sheppard relative to the other draftees


All guys I'd take before him - Risacher, Sarr, Buzelis, Walter, Knecht, Castle, Topic, Williams, Carrington...so 9 or 10.

EDIT - actually, with the way Collier has been coming on of late, I'd take him before Sheppard as well so...10 or 11.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#466 » by GiggitySmalls » Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:31 am

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SWedd523 wrote:I wanna see where some of y'all are ranking Sheppard relative to the other draftees


All guys I'd take before him - Risacher, Sarr, Buzelis, Walter, Knecht, Castle, Topic, Williams, Carrington...so 9 or 10.

EDIT - actually, with the way Collier has been coming on of late, I'd take him before Sheppard as well so...10 or 11.
This is what I'm saying. He's like the one guy who makes the least amount of sense out of all those other guys.

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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#467 » by MPM » Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:46 am

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SWedd523 wrote:I wanna see where some of y'all are ranking Sheppard relative to the other draftees


All guys I'd take before him - Risacher, Sarr, Buzelis, Walter, Knecht, Castle, Topic, Williams, Carrington...so 9 or 10.

EDIT - actually, with the way Collier has been coming on of late, I'd take him before Sheppard as well so...10 or 11.
This is what I'm saying. He's like the one guy who makes the least amount of sense out of all those other guys.

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Yeah, I just really (really) don't want another short combo guard. PTSD from Rozier, Bouk, Monk...

Who I would really, really like is Ryan Dunn with a shot. If someone drafts him and gets his shot to work, look out. Amazing defender.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#468 » by GiggitySmalls » Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:32 am

Yeah monk Terry and bouk are the types of guards I want to move away from. I couldn't handle Reed Sheppard falling into that category. It might be the one thing that just sends me over the edge lol.

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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#469 » by Diop » Tue Mar 12, 2024 4:47 am

Diop wrote:Also I understand Bravors concerns about Sarr watching him play last night. His screens really are terrible, they’re more pokes or shoves using his hands only. His opponent went extra physical and really took him out of his game. He will get bullied for a while

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Ironic. Yes he blocked shots from the weak side but strong guys will bother him.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#470 » by wilson115 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:57 am

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Diop wrote:Also I understand Bravors concerns about Sarr watching him play last night. His screens really are terrible, they’re more pokes or shoves using his hands only. His opponent went extra physical and really took him out of his game. He will get bullied for a while

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Ironic. Yes he blocked shots from the weak side but strong guys will bother him.

Can he play the 4? His instincts and mobility look fine to me at least. If he can play the 4/defend against 4s next to Mark, then I don't care about anything else. Getting pushed around as a rookie isn't a deal-breaker.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#471 » by Diop » Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:01 am

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Diop wrote:Also I understand Bravors concerns about Sarr watching him play last night. His screens really are terrible, they’re more pokes or shoves using his hands only. His opponent went extra physical and really took him out of his game. He will get bullied for a while

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Ironic. Yes he blocked shots from the weak side but strong guys will bother him.

Can he play the 4? His instincts and mobility look fine to me at least. If he can play the 4/defend against 4s next to Mark, then I don't care about anything else. Getting pushed around as a rookie isn't a deal-breaker.

Yeah definitely, I’ve said previously he’s more rookie porzingis, tall and mobile
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#472 » by Rich4114 » Tue Mar 12, 2024 12:50 pm

We have a good chance at ending the season in the bottom 3 record-wise. SAS is actively tanking but could still pass us.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#473 » by GoBobs » Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:41 pm

SWedd523 wrote:I wanna see where some of y'all are ranking Sheppard relative to the other draftees


I am still pretty early in the process and haven't watched most of these guys, but these are my thoughts just looking at the stats.

Zach Edey is my number 1 and he is somebody I have watched a lot because I looked at him last year. He has all the things I want including experience in a major role in a big program. When you have a guy who is averaging a double double with over 20 pts and 2 blks and shooting over 70% from the ft line with a PER close to 40, don't over think it. When trying to figure out how a player will translate to the league most of the time you are not going to outsmart the evidence. Also has an A+ personality which is super important if he turns out to be one of the stars of your team.

Risacher good 3pt %, decent ft % and good size - likely has a higher ceiling so I have him ahead.

Cody Williams decent ft %, good 3pt % but low volume - likely ahead

Sarr - decent ft %, 3pt % needs work, good size - likely ahead

Topic - amazing 2pt%, amazing ft%, terrible 3pt % but on a low sample size. If you believe the 3pt% is going to come along at some point based on his 87% from the ft line and his knee is ok then he is likely ahead

Buzelis - pretty mid numbers in both volume and efficiency in the G-league, he isn't really on my board

Dillingham - the other freshman guard from KY I have slightly behind Reed at the moment but it is close. I might change my mind about this one if I feel he has more PG potential after watching their games more closely. If you look at the totals on the 3pt shooting Reed is 71/135 and Dillingham is 57/128 so both are very good. I believe the number more with Reed because his ft percentage is also elite, and I think his steal numbers reflect good bbiq on defense even if he doesn't have all the physical tools.

Also I really want somebody that is mature. Any sports team only has room for one knucklehead at most. You surround that guy with a bunch of mature teammates and he can maybe hold it together long enough for you to win something.

We already have Miles Bridges. Not saying LaMelo is one, but he is most likely to show up for training camp looking like an island boy with some new tattoos, so the suspicion level is high.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#474 » by JustBuzzin » Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:17 am

This will be a draft where I keep changing my #1 prospect.

I'm back to Cody Williams now. I just feel he can be developed into a nice 2 way player. I like his length with Miller but he seems more fluid than Miller was at this stage.
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#475 » by GiggitySmalls » Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:01 am

JustBuzzin wrote:This will be a draft where I keep changing my #1 prospect.

I'm back to Cody Williams now. I just feel he can be developed into a nice 2 way player. I like his length with Miller but he seems more fluid than Miller was at this stage.
We seem to agree on most things. I'm swinging back to Williams myself a bit. Just havnt mentioned it yet. But I mean if we took him ir buzelis, he'll even Holland I'd be pretty happy on draft night but Williams and Buz are my top 2 talent wise and position fit coincidentally to where we will likely pick. If we luck out and get 1 or 2. Its sarr and risacher for me.

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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#476 » by Diop » Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:05 am

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SWedd523 wrote:I wanna see where some of y'all are ranking Sheppard relative to the other draftees


I am still pretty early in the process and haven't watched most of these guys, but these are my thoughts just looking at the stats.

Zach Edey is my number 1 and he is somebody I have watched a lot because I looked at him last year. He has all the things I want including experience in a major role in a big program. When you have a guy who is averaging a double double with over 20 pts and 2 blks and shooting over 70% from the ft line with a PER close to 40, don't over think it. When trying to figure out how a player will translate to the league most of the time you are not going to outsmart the evidence. Also has an A+ personality which is super important if he turns out to be one of the stars of your team.

Risacher good 3pt %, decent ft % and good size - likely has a higher ceiling so I have him ahead.

Cody Williams decent ft %, good 3pt % but low volume - likely ahead

Sarr - decent ft %, 3pt % needs work, good size - likely ahead

Topic - amazing 2pt%, amazing ft%, terrible 3pt % but on a low sample size. If you believe the 3pt% is going to come along at some point based on his 87% from the ft line and his knee is ok then he is likely ahead

Buzelis - pretty mid numbers in both volume and efficiency in the G-league, he isn't really on my board

Dillingham - the other freshman guard from KY I have slightly behind Reed at the moment but it is close. I might change my mind about this one if I feel he has more PG potential after watching their games more closely. If you look at the totals on the 3pt shooting Reed is 71/135 and Dillingham is 57/128 so both are very good. I believe the number more with Reed because his ft percentage is also elite, and I think his steal numbers reflect good bbiq on defense even if he doesn't have all the physical tools.

Also I really want somebody that is mature. Any sports team only has room for one knucklehead at most. You surround that guy with a bunch of mature teammates and he can maybe hold it together long enough for you to win something.

We already have Miles Bridges. Not saying LaMelo is one, but he is most likely to show up for training camp looking like an island boy with some new tattoos, so the suspicion level is high.

Edey is the other end of the stereotypical bias, would you use a top 5 pick to sign a 7'4 white guy?
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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#477 » by GiggitySmalls » Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:44 am

If he's our 2nd then let it be.

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Re: 2024 Draft Prospects 

Post#478 » by Diop » Wed Mar 13, 2024 12:09 pm

Sarr showed some excellent perimeter defence when isolated against a guard.

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Post#479 » by yosemiteben » Wed Mar 13, 2024 2:41 pm

Diop wrote:Sarr showed some excellent perimeter defence when isolated against a guard.

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You can tell the difference between the NBA and that league in the first 3 seconds of that clip. In the NBA, once Sarr leaves his feet the shooter is going up into him and drawing that foul.
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Post#480 » by EmpireFalls » Wed Mar 13, 2024 3:30 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:This will be a draft where I keep changing my #1 prospect.

I'm back to Cody Williams now. I just feel he can be developed into a nice 2 way player. I like his length with Miller but he seems more fluid than Miller was at this stage.

What does he actually do well, though?

There’s so much he has to improve on

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