2015-16 Fake Trade Thread

[They_Them_Hatin]

I would do that deal.

Going to post it on the trade board. I think Magic fans will be split.

I posted a trade on the Magic board that was different but basically had them getting the same pieces. Most that responded seemed into it, but there were a couple people that were convinced that Zeller was a complete scrub and wasn't even as good as their backup bigs.

I know. I mean I still hate Cho for passing on Noel for him but he isn't a bad player at all. Would rather have him then Frye. If their target is available at 9 and knowing Henny he will be I don't see what's wrong with 5 and 9 and Zeller. Plus the Dipo Zeller reunion.

[Rusted]

Everyone keeps proposing us giving away #9 to move Lance to get cap space to not sign anyone significant . At least take Marvin and Roberts off our hands instead of Lance.

/agree

These two guys take as much cap space and barely had an impact on the team, other than injury insurance (Marvin had a little more impact, overall, due to extra minutes since he is the "vet" of the PF group and our coach loves vets...).

[Rusted]

If NY want to accumulate assets we need to hope Mudiay really impresses the 76ers in his workout. If he can jump to three and bump Russell to 4 that could be a huge spot for us to trade up. If we can get the guy in that top four that really fits us and can be a big piece here we have to make a move. Trading Zeller or a future first to get Russell would be a good move because of his fit and skill set.

Knicks won't trade Russell but Philly probably would since they like Mario.

Philly trades # 3 Russell
Gets #5 and drafts Mario and top 8 protected 1st from Hornets

Magic trades #5 Hezonja
Gets #9 and Zeller

Hornets trade Zeller, #9, top 8 protected 1st
Gets #3 Russell

Yes.

-- Yes, would do this definitely.

Simple deal that I'm sure has been floated around these parts, wondering if you guys would pull the trigger...

NY Trades : Jose Calderon and Tim Hardaway Jr.
NY Receives : Lance Stephenson and #39

CHA Trades : Lance Stephenson and #39
CHA Receives : Jose Calderon and Tim Hardaway Jr.

Yeah, I'd do this. Jr seems on the dumb side (can't be as bad as Lance) but at least he shoots threes.

-- should consider this one, but not so sure with Calderon's contract.

[swisscheeseD]

Simple deal that I'm sure has been floated around these parts, wondering if you guys would pull the trigger...

NY Trades : Jose Calderon and Tim Hardaway Jr.
NY Receives : Lance Stephenson and #39

CHA Trades : Lance Stephenson and #39
CHA Receives : Jose Calderon and Tim Hardaway Jr.

-- should consider this one, but not so sure with Calderon's contract.

What if Mo Williams decides to go elsewhere in Free Agency? Is Calderon worth a 2yr-$7.5mil/yr contract as a backup vet who historically is one of the better 3pt shooting and low Assist/TO ratio's in the game? Especially when you take into consideration that you are getting rid of Lance, and on top of that acquiring a young cost-controlled SG in Hardaway Jr who can also spread the floor?

We're good trade partners...Knicks need someone with slashing ability and you guys need players to spread the floor.

[Braggins]

Simple deal that I'm sure has been floated around these parts, wondering if you guys would pull the trigger...

NY Trades : Jose Calderon and Tim Hardaway Jr.
NY Receives : Lance Stephenson and #39

CHA Trades : Lance Stephenson and #39
CHA Receives : Jose Calderon and Tim Hardaway Jr.

-- should consider this one, but not so sure with Calderon's contract.

What if Mo Williams decides to go elsewhere in Free Agency? Is Calderon worth a 2yr-$7.5mil/yr contract as a backup vet who historically is one of the better 3pt shooting and low Assist/TO ratio's in the game? Especially when you take into consideration that you are getting rid of Lance, and on top of that acquiring a young cost-controlled SG in Hardaway Jr who can also spread the floor?

We're good trade partners...Knicks need someone with slashing ability and you guys need players to spread the floor.

I personally want to give Lance another shot, but I think a trade might be the best thing for him. I'd like to see him stay here and get his game back, but it seems like NY would be a better place for him to do that. If anyone can get the best out of him it is probably Phil Jackson. This trade is the fairest value we are going to get for him and we get two players who excel in our weakest area. I like this deal better than Jarrett Jack + Jeremy Lamb package that we almost got from Brooklyn at the deadline. Calderon seems better in our system than Jack or Mo (who we don't have to resign) as a backup PG and Hardaway Jr. would have a good chance of winning our starting SG spot. I think if this package was put on the table our FO would very likely accept.

[Braggins]

The NY trade just makes too much sense. I could really see that one happening. Possible rotation if Al, Hendo, and Biz, all stay, we do the NY deal, and we draft a wing at 9.

Kemba/Calderon/Roberts
HardawayJr/9th pick/Daniels
MKG/Hendo
Zeller/Vonleh/Marv
Al/Biz

Thats pretty balanced and leaves us two roster spots to use on some young projects or a veteran or whatever. Even with Calderon's contract we have a bit over 29 million coming off the books + the cap increase going into the 2016 off-season.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

The NY trade just makes too much sense. I could really see that one happening. Possible rotation if Al, Hendo, and Biz, all stay, we do the NY deal, and we draft a wing at 9.

Kemba/Calderon/Roberts
HardawayJr/9th pick/Daniels
MKG/Hendo
Zeller/Vonleh/Marv
Al/Biz

Thats pretty balanced and leaves us two roster spots to use on some young projects or a veteran or whatever. Even with Calderon's contract we have a bit over 29 million coming off the books + the cap increase going into the 2016 off-season.

Overall I agree that the NY trade makes sense but let me re-do that depth chart:

+PJ.

Also we really don't know if Hendo, Biz, or even Al will be back. Of those three Al seems to me to be the most likely to be back and Biz the lest. All 3 might be back ... or all 3 might be gone.

[Braggins]

The NY trade just makes too much sense. I could really see that one happening. Possible rotation if Al, Hendo, and Biz, all stay, we do the NY deal, and we draft a wing at 9.

Kemba/Calderon/Roberts
HardawayJr/9th pick/Daniels
MKG/Hendo
Zeller/Vonleh/Marv
Al/Biz

Thats pretty balanced and leaves us two roster spots to use on some young projects or a veteran or whatever. Even with Calderon's contract we have a bit over 29 million coming off the books + the cap increase going into the 2016 off-season.

Overall I agree that the NY trade makes sense but let me re-do that depth chart:

+PJ.

Also we really don't know if Hendo, Biz, or even Al will be back. Of those three Al seems to me to be the most likely to be back and Biz the lest. All 3 might be back ... or all 3 might be gone.

Totally meant to put him behind Hendo at SF lol.

Hopefully Al and Hendo will be gone but if worst comes to worst, our lineup won't be too bad. If that isn't enough shooting for Clifford to make Alfense work then the dude is definitely getting fired. If we don't bring Biz back I'm going to be pissed.

[Rusted]

The NY trade just makes too much sense. I could really see that one happening. Possible rotation if Al, Hendo, and Biz, all stay, we do the NY deal, and we draft a wing at 9.

Kemba/Calderon/Roberts
HardawayJr/9th pick/Daniels
MKG/Hendo
Zeller/Vonleh/Marv
Al/Biz

Thats pretty balanced and leaves us two roster spots to use on some young projects or a veteran or whatever. Even with Calderon's contract we have a bit over 29 million coming off the books + the cap increase going into the 2016 off-season.

Overall I agree that the NY trade makes sense but let me re-do that depth chart:

+PJ.

Also we really don't know if Hendo, Biz, or even Al will be back. Of those three Al seems to me to be the most likely to be back and Biz the lest. All 3 might be back ... or all 3 might be gone.

Totally meant to put him behind Hendo at SF lol.

Hopefully Al and Hendo will be gone but if worst comes to worst, our lineup won't be too bad. If that isn't enough shooting for Clifford to make Alfense work then the dude is definitely getting fired. If we don't bring Biz back I'm going to be pissed.

I think we have over a 90% chance that Al and Hendo are back. Al pretty much already said he's back. Its a little harder to read Hendo, but I don't think there's a big marked for SGs that don't hit lots of threes, and I'm on the same page -- I would be pissed if we don't re-sign Biz.

[LofJ]

Unless Biz gets a huge offer from someone it would be dumb for us to not resign him. We don't have the cap space to sign a decent big in free agency and unless we really like Turner there are few options available to us in our draft range.

[Bassman]

I just do not want to give up Lance and our pick unless it is to move up in the draft. No interest in gaining cap space and losing #9. I think we get a good player there. Lance could surprise everyone coming back ready to play. Would love to get rid of Marvin, Roberts. I would move Kemba for space and a good PG.

[Snidely FC]

Al Jefferson + Kemba Walker + 9 to NYK for Bargnani (1yr s&t) + Calderon + 4 (Mudiay)

CHA gets its PG of the future and a vet to hold the fort while he develops

[BeesWax]

Al Jefferson + Kemba Walker + 9 to NYK for Bargnani (1yr s&t) + Calderon + 4 (Mudiay)

CHA gets its PG of the future and a vet to hold the fort while he develops

Cannot do a sign and trade until after the draft.

[They_Them_Hatin]

Al Jefferson + Kemba Walker + 9 to NYK for Bargnani (1yr s&t) + Calderon + 4 (Mudiay)

CHA gets its PG of the future and a vet to hold the fort while he develops

Cannot do a sign and trade until after the draft.

Can still happen on draft day but will have to wait until the first of free agency. If WCS is available at #9 then I can see the Knicks doing this would want THjr.

[BeesWax]

Al Jefferson + Kemba Walker + 9 to NYK for Bargnani (1yr s&t) + Calderon + 4 (Mudiay)

CHA gets its PG of the future and a vet to hold the fort while he develops

Cannot do a sign and trade until after the draft.

Can still happen on draft day but will have to wait until the first of free agency. If WCS is available at #9 then I can see the Knicks doing this would want THjr.

It can be discussed on draft day but whoever we take we need to like because if Bargnani doesn't agree to the deal we get who we took at 9.

[They_Them_Hatin]

Cannot do a sign and trade until after the draft.

Can still happen on draft day but will have to wait until the first of free agency. If WCS is available at #9 then I can see the Knicks doing this would want THjr.

It can be discussed on draft day but whoever we take we need to like because if Bargnani doesn't agree to the deal we get who we took at 9.

Oh forgot to mention want nothing to do with Bargs.

[Snidely FC]

Cannot do a sign and trade until after the draft.

Can still happen on draft day but will have to wait until the first of free agency. If WCS is available at #9 then I can see the Knicks doing this would want THjr.

It can be discussed on draft day but whoever we take we need to like because if Bargnani doesn't agree to the deal we get who we took at 9.

Do you know how salary matching works when draft picks are involved? In other words just as an example does it have to be like Kemba's salary + cap hold for #9 pick has to equal Calderon + cap hold for #4 pick?

[BeesWax]

Can still happen on draft day but will have to wait until the first of free agency. If WCS is available at #9 then I can see the Knicks doing this would want THjr.

It can be discussed on draft day but whoever we take we need to like because if Bargnani doesn't agree to the deal we get who we took at 9.

Do you know how salary matching works when draft picks are involved? In other words just as an example does it have to be like Kemba's salary + cap hold for #9 pick has to equal Calderon + cap hold for #4 pick?

I am pretty sure the cap hold for a pick does not matter. For example we could trade 9 for for a Houston future first even if the Rockets are over the cap. That is how teams sell late first rounders to other teams who are over the cap.

[BlackOutBuzz]

^basically, picks have $0 in trade value.

[amcoolio]

I would do that NYK trade for Russell or Okafor, not Mudiay. Then again NYK wouldn't do that trade if either of them were on the board.