Sale Confirmed: The Michael Jordan Thread

[BigSlam]

At the end of the day though, in the NBA talent is what elevates you.

A bunch of dudes with incredible talent have still destroyed locker rooms though.

I was just thinking last night for the longest time we have had one of the best, if not the best, locker rooms in the NBA and the only common dominator over all that time has been our owner - so how much of that can be tied back to him?

People like to sh*t all over Jordan as an owner (and even still refer to him incorrectly as a GM) and say he should sell the team and blah, blah, blah but wouldn't it be nice if people also recognized him for the great things he has done as a FO exec - and I'm wondering if he should be recognized as a driving force behind the cohesion of our locker room as he is the only continual string over all these years of having a great locker room.

[SWedd523]

I've stated before that I don't think the Hornets will ever be a winning franchise with MJ as the primary owner.

I think he cannot get out of his own way (especially in regards to cronyism) and has made hiring decisions and/or meddled in FO operations in ways that have continuously hampered the franchise.

That, of course, discounts the benefits gained by having the GOAT in the public facing side of things and the positive work he's done with the community.

Here's to hoping he eventually learns to get out of his own **** way

[KembaWalker]

I've never felt that great about the year after year stories of how chill and friendly our locker room is. Sounds nice on paper but if you wanna win you need guys that are gonna hold the others to some degree of accountability. Jimmy Butler type being the obvious example where the buddy buddy atmosphere in Minny didn't vibe with him, and you see where he can get a team with the right culture. If you asked me back in 2003 what I'd expect a Michael Jordan owned team culture to be it wouldn't be a bunch of good pals joking around hoping for the best. It'd be about accountability, work ethic, winning above all because thats the kind of leader and player MJ was. I feel like vet players consider Charlotte a place you come to get a check and settle down your family and have a good time. not a place you come to give your all, sacrifice, and win

maybe I'm looking too much into it

[Chapelchilla]

I've never felt that great about the year after year stories of how chill and friendly our locker room is. Sounds nice on paper but if you wanna win you need guys that are gonna hold the others to some degree of accountability. Jimmy Butler type being the obvious example where the buddy buddy atmosphere in Minny didn't vibe with him, and you see where he can get a team with the right culture. If you asked me back in 2003 what I'd expect a Michael Jordan owned team culture to be it wouldn't be a bunch of good pals joking around hoping for the best. It'd be about accountability, work ethic, winning above all because thats the kind of leader and player MJ was. I feel like vet players consider Charlotte a place you come to get a check and settle down your family and have a good time. not a place you come to give your all, sacrifice, and win

maybe I'm looking too much into it

That take is pretty accurate but now that we actually have some talent on the squad and hopefully more coming in, let's see if that evolves.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Kwame Brown on Michael Jordan/Wizards situation

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[Liver_Pooty]

Kwame Brown on Michael Jordan/Wizards situation

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And fyi the link to here in the thread index is broken

Thats interesting. Thanks for posting.

[Snidely FC]

Irony that the league is introducing the Michael Jordan MVP Award yet as an owner he presides over one of the losingest franchises in history
https://www.nba.com/news/nba-unveils-6-new-kia-performance-award-winner-trophies

[JDR720]

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[fatlever]

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i'd like to believe thats all it is, but i doubt it.

[amcoolio]

Both Hollinger and Duncan had Charlotte "far and away" the worst organization in the NBA at 30th place

They said:

"Cheap as ****"
Don't do anything well in any area
Disaster of 21 draft with Bouknight, Kai and Thor
Embarrassing they couldn't get any of their top two choices for coach and had to settle for the first person who would take the job
Wanted to take Wiseman, tried to, Ball fell in their laps
Kupchak is very low activity
Terrible in free agency
Extended Rozier way too prematurely
Turned down good trades for Kemba
None of the other 29 teams would be interested in Kupchak or any front office if they were fired/contract up

Yikes

[Braggins]

I agree. I was literally thinking about this recently and couldn't think of a compelling argument for any other organization being worse.

[luciano-davidwesley]

Both Hollinger and Duncan had Charlotte "far and away" the worst organization in the NBA at 30th place

They said:

"Cheap as ****"
Don't do anything well in any area
Disaster of 21 draft with Bouknight, Kai and Thor
Embarrassing they couldn't get any of their top two choices for coach and had to settle for the first person who would take the job
Wanted to take Wiseman, tried to, Ball fell in their laps
Kupchak is very low activity
Terrible in free agency
Extended Rozier way too prematurely
Turned down good trades for Kemba
None of the other 29 teams would be interested in Kupchak or any front office if they were fired/contract up

Yikes

Seems like a fair assessment

[fatlever]

Lol. Basically everything I've been screaming for two summers.

I'd like to know more about the Wiseman stuff. I always had a hunch we had Wiseman ranked over ball and merely got lucky to land ball.

Even if only half this stuff is true, the perception around the league is in place. It's toxic.

Can't blame it all on Miles going full drag.


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[fatlever]

It's sad that similar scathing assessments of our front office have been said by insiders going back to 2014 and beyond.

We had a decade to make changes, shake out to org, and MJ responded by hiring a safe retread gm from UNC and elevating family and friends to key internal roles.

Most major fortune 500 type companies would have completely turned over Senior leadership 3 or more times in that span if results were so poor.

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[SWedd523]

Lol. Basically everything I've been screaming for two summers.

I'd like to know more about the Wiseman stuff. I always had a hunch we had Wiseman ranked over ball and merely got lucky to land ball.

Even if only half this stuff is true, the perception around the league is in place. It's toxic.

Can't blame it all on Miles going full drag.


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Meh, the Wiseman thing seems like a petty shot with no substance.

There are plenty of actual things to ding the franchise for, without some "yeah maybe he got it right but it was only luck because he totally would've messed it up!" kind of statement.

[Braggins]

I don't think I'm in favor of the league meddling with internal franchise stuff unless its a really extreme case, but I think it would be way more justified for the league to step in here in Charlotte and force them to clean house than it was for them to pull that Hinkie nonsense. We're at the point where the worst team in the league is pretty much giving away lottery picks because they think they have too many young players, so yeah...

I'm not necessarily advocating for any of this, but its just frustrating being this desperate as a fan of this franchise and knowing there is probably no way out of this mess unless the league steps in or MJ gets #metoo'ed or something like that.

[JDR720]

There is a 0% chance the league makes MJ sell the team. Even if he does have some scandal. They literally just named the MVP award after him.

The main thing that gets owners removed is player/fan pressure in response to a scandal. I think MJ is largely immune to that.

We just have to wait it out and hope he decides to cash in.

[Diop]

Lol. Basically everything I've been screaming for two summers.

I'd like to know more about the Wiseman stuff. I always had a hunch we had Wiseman ranked over ball and merely got lucky to land ball.

Even if only half this stuff is true, the perception around the league is in place. It's toxic.

Can't blame it all on Miles going full drag.


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Meh, the Wiseman thing seems like a petty shot with no substance.

There are plenty of actual things to ding the franchise for, without some "yeah maybe he got it right but it was only luck because he totally would've messed it up!" kind of statement.

That is the luck of drafts though, I’ll admit I wanted wiseman that draft as well. Ball really seemed like a wildcard

[Braggins]

There is a 0% chance the league makes MJ sell the team. Even if he does have some scandal. They literally just named the MVP award after him.

The main thing that gets owners removed is player/fan pressure in response to a scandal. I think MJ is largely immune to that.

We just have to wait it out and hope he decides to cash in.

Yeah, and I have a feeling MJ might view cashing out as quitting/losing, so I'm not expecting him to go, but who knows I guess.

[JDR720]

It makes sense that we wanted Wiseman. We've needed a center forever and Melo was viewed as a semi-project because of his shooting. Even most of us thought Melo would struggle his first couple years.

Turns out, Wiseman is the project and Melo was a much better shooter than we thought.

GS took Wiseman and they've been an excellent drafting team. Sometimes, you just get lucky (or not).