#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

Robot Rock · Post #501 » by **Robot Rock** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 7:10 am

I've complimented his defense before! Kinda goes hand in hand with hustle. I'm just not going to anoint him the league MVP quite yet. Looks like others will.

I know, I know...

I. Watch. The. Games. But. I'm. Not. Convinced. He's. As. Good. As. You. Fanboys. Think. He. Is.

Wow that was tougher to type than I figured it'd be, haha.

Liver_Pooty · Post #502 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 7:13 am

Robot Rock wrote:I've complimented his defense before! Kinda goes hand in hand with hustle. I'm just not going to anoint him the league MVP quite yet. Looks like others will.

I know, I know...

I. Watch. The. Games. But. I'm. Not. Convinced. He's. As. Good. As. You. Fanboys. Think. He. Is.

Wow that was tougher to type than I figured it'd be, haha.

Lol no one anointed MKG an MVP. Sorry if dome of us get excited to have a player who can lockdown some of the best offensive players in the league.

Robot Rock · Post #503 » by **Robot Rock** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 7:16 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:I've complimented his defense before! Kinda goes hand in hand with hustle. I'm just not going to anoint him the league MVP quite yet. Looks like others will.

I know, I know...

I. Watch. The. Games. But. I'm. Not. Convinced. He's. As. Good. As. You. Fanboys. Think. He. Is.

Wow that was tougher to type than I figured it'd be, haha.

Lol no one anointed MKG an MVP. Sorry if dome of us get excited to have a player who can lockdown some of the best offensive players in the league.

Hey man, I'm excited about what he can do because he plays 100% balls-to-the-wall when he's on the court. I'm just playing devil's advocate and trying to get people to pump the brakes.

Elden Payton · Post #504 » by **Elden Payton** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 7:17 am

So because we're excited by MKG's early play we think he's an all-star and MVP candidate...

Some of the dumbest ish I've ever read from a Charlotte "fan"

Liver_Pooty · Post #505 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 7:24 am

Robot Rock wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:I've complimented his defense before! Kinda goes hand in hand with hustle. I'm just not going to anoint him the league MVP quite yet. Looks like others will.

I know, I know...

I. Watch. The. Games. But. I'm. Not. Convinced. He's. As. Good. As. You. Fanboys. Think. He. Is.

Wow that was tougher to type than I figured it'd be, haha.

Lol no one anointed MKG an MVP. Sorry if dome of us get excited to have a player who can lockdown some of the best offensive players in the league.

Hey man, I'm excited about what he can do because he plays 100% balls-to-the-wall when he's on the court. I'm just playing devil's advocate and trying to get people to pump the brakes.

I'm not pumping jack. The kids got me excited. I find it astounding that a 20 year old can do what he does and have an epileptic seizure every time he shoots. Just imagine him with an average jumper. What's not to be excited about? Its apart of being a fan.

Robot Rock · Post #506 » by **Robot Rock** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 7:25 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Lol no one anointed MKG an MVP. Sorry if dome of us get excited to have a player who can lockdown some of the best offensive players in the league.

Hey man, I'm excited about what he can do because he plays 100% balls-to-the-wall when he's on the court. I'm just playing devil's advocate and trying to get people to pump the brakes.

I'm not pumping jack. The kids got me excited. I find it astounding that a 20 year old can do what he does and have an epileptic seizure every time he shoots. Just imagine him with an average jumper. What's not to be excited about? Its apart of being a fan.

If, and it's a big "if," Kidd-Gilchrist can establish a solid jumper, I'll hop on board the bandwagon. That would start to make him a weapon on the floor.

Liver_Pooty · Post #507 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 7:28 am

Robot Rock wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:
Hey man, I'm excited about what he can do because he plays 100% balls-to-the-wall when he's on the court. I'm just playing devil's advocate and trying to get people to pump the brakes.

I'm not pumping jack. The kids got me excited. I find it astounding that a 20 year old can do what he does and have an epileptic seizure every time he shoots. Just imagine him with an average jumper. What's not to be excited about? Its apart of being a fan.

If, and it's a big "if," Kidd-Gilchrist can establish a solid jumper, I'll hop on board the bandwagon. That would start to make him a weapon on the floor.

He's already a weapon on the floor.

Post #508 » by **BigSlam** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 12:42 pm

Sik Infant wrote:
Robot Rock wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
The "message board" has been the best overall player on the team thru 6 games. Catch a game sometime.

Novel idea. Good thing I've seen every one, even though I'm kind of an outlaw here because I don't wear my Kidd-Gilchrist or Biyombo jerseys as I watch them.

Well maybe you can learn something about basketball.

Why attack the poster like this? There is no need at all.

Warning issued.

catch20two · Post #509 » by **catch20two** » Sat Nov 9, 2013 2:45 pm

I don't think Robot Rock was saying anything crazy and definitely didn't deserve to be attacked for his opinion. He simply said that Biz, Cody, and McBob don't know how to finish in the paint if the ball was thrown to them which is true, and that MKG don't know how to shoot which is partially true but widely advertised as truth.

Eoghan · Post #510 » by **Eoghan** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 12:04 am

catch20two wrote:I don't think Robot Rock was saying anything crazy and definitely didn't deserve to be attacked for his opinion. He simply said that Biz, Cody, and McBob don't know how to finish in the paint if the ball was thrown to them which is true, and that MKG don't know how to shoot which is partially true but widely advertised as truth.

All of our bigs have had deep post position and/or much smaller covers on them at some point in these games. Even Biz can draw a foul out of posting up Felton, which is a better percentage shot than Hendo or Kemba throwing up contested fadeaways with the clock winding down. You can't play inside-out basketball if you never go inside ever; just pretending to post up our guys would improve our offense a lot more than our outside-outside screen, screen, and screen some more offense we're running now. The pick and roll is the most essential play in the NBA and we can't run it b/c our guards won't hit the roll men even if they're wide open. What did we draft Zeller and his nice hands for if we're not going to use them? Why does McBob start if he doesn't get touches in the lane to create a play or try and score?

countryboi · Post #511 » by **countryboi** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:53 am

catch20two wrote:I don't think Robot Rock was saying anything crazy and definitely didn't deserve to be attacked for his opinion. He simply said that Biz, Cody, and McBob don't know how to finish in the paint if the ball was thrown to them which is true, and that MKG don't know how to shoot which is partially true but widely advertised as truth.

This is ridiculous we have sit here and defend MKG from our own fans...he has been our best player in this early season.

Elden Payton · Post #512 » by **Elden Payton** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:05 am

countryboi wrote:
catch20two wrote:I don't think Robot Rock was saying anything crazy and definitely didn't deserve to be attacked for his opinion. He simply said that Biz, Cody, and McBob don't know how to finish in the paint if the ball was thrown to them which is true, and that MKG don't know how to shoot which is partially true but widely advertised as truth.

This is ridiculous we have sit here and defend MKG from our own fans...he has been our best player in this early season.

It's not necessarily the knocking of MKG that phases me but the fact that it is ill informed criticism and the criticism of having faith that he will pan out which has not been proven yet.

I (and others) do not like being call a fanboy or a card carrying member of the MKG fan club who watches games in my MKG or Biz jersey because I (and others) spoke well of them in the GT.

I overreacted and I should not have made a snide remark and the warning I got was fair but anyone who actually watches lots of Bobcats games knows that MKG did not have a "horrible" rookie season and has been our most impactful and consistent player so far this season.

Liver_Pooty · Post #513 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:56 am

Sik Infant wrote:
countryboi wrote:
catch20two wrote:I don't think Robot Rock was saying anything crazy and definitely didn't deserve to be attacked for his opinion. He simply said that Biz, Cody, and McBob don't know how to finish in the paint if the ball was thrown to them which is true, and that MKG don't know how to shoot which is partially true but widely advertised as truth.

This is ridiculous we have sit here and defend MKG from our own fans...he has been our best player in this early season.

It's not necessarily the knocking of MKG that phases me but the fact that it is ill informed criticism and the criticism of having faith that he will pan out which has not been proven yet.

I (and others) do not like being call a fanboy or a card carrying member of the MKG fan club who watches games in my MKG or Biz jersey because I (and others) spoke well of them in the GT.

I overreacted and I should not have made a snide remark and the warning I got was fair but anyone who actually watches lots of Bobcats games knows that MKG did not have a "horrible" rookie season and has been our most impactful and consistent player so far this season.

Good post, Sik. I'm always up for a good debate, but some of the wording kind of got to me, and it shouldn't have. Robotdid make some legitimate points. Oh well, were a tight knit community that cares about the main objective, winning. We all have our favorites. BrotherDave- Biyombo. Me and you -MKG, Zeller. -Everyone-Walker. But at the end of the day we just want to win.

Eoghan · Post #514 » by **Eoghan** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:15 am

I'm definitely the Biyombo guy but I'm generally just reminding people he's still a project. If he doesn't turn a corner by next year you'll hear me rag on him like the rest of y'all. I just have to give the 4-5 year project a good 4 years at least before I start throwing tomatoes. MKG is in the same boat, I'm generally in the camp of seeing where he's at next year or two before calling for his head. You can't be too impatient with the youngest players in their respective draft classes, deal with the growing pains.

The one thing that Biz does that pisses me off is his stupid little pivot every time he gets the ball in the paint. I don't know if he's doing that instinctively or consciously but I'd be fixing that flaw immediately if I was Ewing.

amcoolio · Post #515 » by **amcoolio** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:42 am

A positive from this is that we will be able to keep Biz on the cheap if he takes longer to develop...Kemba is already going to command 10+ million and we couldn't afford to pay Biz that too along with MKG, Zeller, and our lottery picks this year if he exploded

Best case scenario for Biz is that he continues his current path, gets a nice 4 year 16 million contract, and finally gets it as a solid 25 mpg elite defensive rebounder

SpearNMgicHelmt · Post #516 » by **SpearNMgicHelmt** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:08 am

I do think Biz is showing improvement this year with his pass catching. He's still taking too long to go up with it, but that's step two.

lmcguir5 · Post #517 » by **lmcguir5** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:26 pm

While most people think that MKG was a bust, (which is too premature) think about Derrick Favors. He was drafted third by the Nets and they gave up too soon on him. Granted, its not like they would need him now, but he just took a little longer to round out his pro game.

He is a threat for 14/10 every night, which is essentially what MKG is doing, he's just progressing twice as fast as Favors has. With that extra time think about how good he could become for our team. I am more impressed every game I watch him and how his motor never stops

catch20two · Post #518 » by **catch20two** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:19 pm

lmcguir5 wrote:While most people think that MKG was a bust, (which is too premature) think about Derrick Favors. He was drafted third by the Nets and they gave up too soon on him. Granted, its not like they would need him now, but he just took a little longer to round out his pro game.

He is a threat for 14/10 every night, which is essentially what MKG is doing, he's just progressing twice as fast as Favors has. With that extra time think about how good he could become for our team. I am more impressed every game I watch him and how his motor never stops

I don't think the Nets viewed Derrick Favors as a bust and that's why they traded him. The Nets just pounced on the opportunity to trade for Deron Williams who happened to be available after ousting Sloan as the Jazz coach while he was one of the top 3 PGs in the league at the time.

Anyway I understand what you're trying to insinuate. I never understood why critics tried to label MKG a bust when he averaged 9 points and 6 rebounds without true starter minutes.

Post #519 » by **JDR720** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:40 pm

MKG and Harrison Barnes averaged the same stats in the same amount of time, actually MKG was better in rebounding, steals, assists and blocks and people say Harrison is the next great SF and MKG is a bust....what a good playoff series will do for you.... its crazy

lmcguir5 · Post #520 » by **lmcguir5** » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:59 pm

It's not just MKG who gets slighted because he plays for us. There are plenty of people who don't understand just how good Kemba is, mainly because they don't watch our games. Admittedly, even as a fan its hard to watch our games at points, but you get what I'm saying.

Had Kemba or MKG been on a largely covered franchise, people would be foaming at the mouth for his FA period