Fake Trade Thread 16/17 pt.1

[yosemiteben]

From the Frank thread:

would you trade MKG for picks? Shooting at an awful percentage injury prone but has an ELITE defense with him being only 23 being a huge upside for development. But the one thing i cant see him fixing is that shot..and unfortunatly with how the league is going and charlotte aswell it's a 3pt heavy league..unless your name is demar derozan guy dont give a **** about no 3pters.

"Picks" is a little ambiguous. Is there a pick package that BOS could put together that would make me consider trading MKG? Yeah, probably, but no GM is going to offer the sort of package that it would take to convince me to ship out MKG.

His midrange % is up and his midrange jumper volume is up, so I'm not as skeptical as some that his shooting is a permanent problem. He's not a Tony Allen-esque shooter and can actually do some productive things on offense. I think his development was seriously set back with all his injuries which is really unfortunate, but I also don't think we've seen anywhere close to his best ball.

[fatlever]

MKG/Kaminsky for Gallo/Nurkic????

At first glance, this seems like a good trade. Gallinari would give up an improved 2nd option, allowing Batum to be 3rd. Plus he can operate as a small ball stretch 4. Nurkic would seemingly be a good Zeller counter option.

However, Gallinari is 28 and has a player option this summer that, unless he gets hurt again, he'll use. So we are talking about a one year rental of him at his current salary, then we'd probably have to give him a Batum type contract to get him to stick around. It's definitely risky for a player with his injury history.

[HornetJail]

MKG/Kaminsky for Gallo/Nurkic????

At first glance, this seems like a good trade. Gallinari would give up an improved 2nd option, allowing Batum to be 3rd. Plus he can operate as a small ball stretch 4. Nurkic would seemingly be a good Zeller counter option.

However, Gallinari is 28 and has a player option this summer that, unless he gets hurt again, he'll use. So we are talking about a one year rental of him at his current salary, then we'd probably have to give him a Batum type contract to get him to stick around. It's definitely risky for a player with his injury history.

This also completely nukes our defense.

[fatlever]

No doubt we would have to make a follow-up move for a defensive wing.

Anyway...

I'm not the gambling type when it comes to trading a proven team first guy on a good deal, like MKG for a potential rental for a soon-to-be 29 year old likely to get 20 mil in the summer.

I'd have to pass.

I am still very much open to moving MKG in a deal sooner or later. It might just be time to move on and try something new. I'm not sure MKG ever reaches his potential here. He might need a change of scenery and he's still one of our best assets.

[thesneakysneak]

Can anyone think of a viable package to get lavine? Maybe include mkg. I'm so tired of our offense lately.

[Braggins]

Lavine scares me. Hes very talented but seems like an empty stats guy due to questionable IQ. Coming to a team with a winning culture and established leadership might be good for him, but idk... I'm not endorsing trading MKG for him, but if we did, something like this might be reasonable.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hf3v7lp

Charlotte gets: Zach Lavine + Tyus Jones + Nikola Pekovic (cut) + 2017 2nd (MIN)

Minnesota gets: MKG + Brian Roberts

We use Pekovic's contract to match MKGs and in exchange for taking on the dead cap space for two seasons we get Tyus Jones and a 2nd round pick. It doesn't seem like we are going to have the cap available to make a splash in free agency anyways and the new CBA is going to make acquiring big names via FA even more difficult, so we could use the space as a trade asset to acquire a pick and a good backup PG prospect. We can still resign all our guys due to bird rights. Maybe if they really liked MKG we could get them to come off Dunn?

Kemba/Jones/Sessions
Lavine/Marco
Batum/Lamb/Graham
Marv/Frank/Wood
Cody/Roy/Hawes (We could also potentially use a couple 2nds to package Hawes for a decent upgrade at backup center.)

Rubio/Dunn/Roberts
Wiggins/Rush
MKG/Shabaz
Towns/Bjelica/Payne
Dieng/Aldrich

[Tracymcgoaty]

would you trade MKG for picks? Shooting at an awful percentage injury prone but has an ELITE defense with him being only 23 being a huge upside for development. But the one thing i cant see him fixing is that shot..and unfortunatly with how the league is going and charlotte aswell it's a 3pt heavy league..unless your name is demar derozan guy dont give a **** about no 3pters. 'What do you guys think you can get for him?

[Hornet Mania]

I'm not interested in trading MKG unless it's for a major piece. He hasn't reached his ceiling, his shot has been improved, all the stuff yosemiteben said up top. He's the one player on our team who has a plausible opportunity to make a Kemba-like leap from decent starter to borderline all-star, and he's already providing elite defense in the meantime.

In any case I don't think our front office values picks all that much. We're in playoff contender mode, any moves we make will almost certainly be for a short-term gain or we'll stand pat. Trading MKG for picks would only make sense in a total rebuild, and even then it wouldn't make that much sense.

[SWedd523]

His midrange % is up and his midrange jumper volume is up, so I'm not as skeptical as some that his shooting is a permanent problem. He's not a Tony Allen-esque shooter and can actually do some productive things on offense. I think his development was seriously set back with all his injuries which is really unfortunate, but I also don't think we've seen anywhere close to his best ball.

I don't think that's all of it.

To me, the biggest issue is that he's been clearly written off on the offensive end by the organization, which has, IMO, hurt his confidence on that end of the floor in general.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I'm not willing to give up on MKG

I haven't given up on MKG or Frank. I've given up on Clifford. He's not a bad coach, but his offensive system is wrong for MKG and he's never going to change it enough to matter.

At this point if the club is committed to Cliff and Kemba we might as well go all in and find guys that can work the best in that framework. Gallo/Nurkic may not be the exact right trade, but I think that it's the kind of "all in" trade I would consider. Gallo can shoot 3s, pass well, and has size even if he's not a strong defender. Nurkic is a good post defender and would both solidify the bench and provide insurance in case Cody has to miss some games. The Gallo contract situation is a bummer though.

I'm against MKG for picks only. Nearly all of our draft picks under Cliff are taking about 3 years to really fit well. By that point Kemba is going to be on the wrong side of his peak window and will be near contract renewal himself.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Re: Lavine, if the Hornets had drafted him that would have been fine. But it's not worth trading for him.

[BigSlam]

Lavine scares me. Hes very talented but seems like an empty stats guy due to questionable IQ.

100% agree.


"BBMF'ers"

[catch20two]

I don't even think MKG is enough to snag Lavine from Minny. Personally I'd love Lavine on this team. I wanted to draft him badly.

[yosemiteben]

I haven't given up on MKG or Frank. I've given up on Clifford. He's not a bad coach, but his offensive system is wrong for MKG and he's never going to change it enough to matter.

Curious to hear more about this. Did you have a problem with our offense last season? In 2013-14 where we ran it through Al? We've seen two extremely different offensive systems under Cliff.

What modern offensive scheme would be a better fit for MKG? Curious what other team's offense you would point to as a better fit.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Curious to hear more about this. Did you have a problem with our offense last season? In 2013-14 where we ran it through Al? We've seen two extremely different offensive systems under Cliff.

What modern offensive scheme would be a better fit for MKG? Curious what other team's offense you would point to as a better fit.

I thought that it was pretty good last season, but still prone to inadaptability from time to time. Lee's skillset was a good fit for the kinds of thing that Cliff likes to do and having Lin was huge. Player fit and depth were just a bit better overall last year. I wasn't a huge fan of the Alfence, but it worked well enough that one year. But this really isn't something I'm trying to argue about either. I'm just of the opinion that Cliff is going to Cliff and as long as that's working for Kemba that's probably what's most important at this point.

It's really not a personal thing for me with MKG anymore. I haven't given tons of thought to what system or coach would fit *him* better in the past two years. When I think of this team I tend to focus more on Kemba, Nic, Cody, & Cliff at this point. They really seem to be the 'core' to me. In the past, I've hoped that MKG could be a part of that too, and he was my favorite player on the team at one point. But now? He just feels like the odd man out to me. Maybe he would shine more somewhere else, and maybe not. I don't really know and I'm not too worried about it. He he stays I wouldn't be upset. But I wouldn't be too sad if he were traded anymore either.

[Hornet Mania]

MKG would be a hundred times more useful on offense if some coaching staff would just relentlessly hammer the corner 3 into his DNA the way the Spurs did with Bruce Bowen (who had no propensity for it at all, as far as I can remember, before becoming a Spur) or the Heat with Chris Bosh. He might not ever become great, or even above-average, but it's a philosophical shift that a more focused coaching staff would push him towards. I have very little doubt MKG could shoot at least just below league average from the corner after consistent repetitions. The spacing stuff is pretty much solved at that point.

It wouldn't be an all the time thing, MKG has surprisingly great driving ability in spite of his weak handle and his offensive boards are a plus, but that's where he should be if he's not driving or crashing the boards.

[Tracymcgoaty]

From the Frank thread:

would you trade MKG for picks? Shooting at an awful percentage injury prone but has an ELITE defense with him being only 23 being a huge upside for development. But the one thing i cant see him fixing is that shot..and unfortunatly with how the league is going and charlotte aswell it's a 3pt heavy league..unless your name is demar derozan guy dont give a **** about no 3pters.

"Picks" is a little ambiguous. Is there a pick package that BOS could put together that would make me consider trading MKG? Yeah, probably, but no GM is going to offer the sort of package that it would take to convince me to ship out MKG.

His midrange % is up and his midrange jumper volume is up, so I'm not as skeptical as some that his shooting is a permanent problem. He's not a Tony Allen-esque shooter and can actually do some productive things on offense. I think his development was seriously set back with all his injuries which is really unfortunate, but I also don't think we've seen anywhere close to his best ball.

Lets say 2 years from now injury free MKG (i know longshot) and he still hasnt fixed his shots..Would you let him go? and what could you get for him?

[Bassman]

The reality is MKG is a failure as a #2 overall pick. His shot was getting better, but due to the time away via injury and the departure of the "shot whisperer", he regressed back into broken status. His much vaunted defense is good but he regularly is shreaded by star level players. I like the kid but would really like to deal him for a true pure scoring SG and move Batum to the 3.

[yosemiteben]

His shot was getting better, but due to the time away via injury and the departure of the "shot whisperer", he regressed back into broken status.

The stats say his shot is better this year than it's ever been.

[chellis]

We are 0-7 against the top 3 Eastern Conference teams this season. I know it's not a popular thought, but I'm ok with a major shake up. I'd almost be willing to go full rebuild except I have ZERO faith in our ability to draft and develop. That said, we need to make trades if we seriously think we can make a deep playoff run. I'm tired of first round exits.

/rant