NBA ChoK16 - the Rich Cho Thread

-Ian- · Post #521 » by **-Ian-** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:56 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Anyone have insider and want to post the blurb on the Hornets?

I think Liver_Pooty is the only one who have an Insider. :lol:

catch20two · Post #522 » by **catch20two** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:52 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Anyone have insider and want to post the blurb on the Hornets?

They didn't mention Cho or the Hornets at all. They just did a brief sentence mentioning Jordan with Dolan and Vivek as owners that think they know more than they really do.

LamarMatic7 · Post #523 » by **LamarMatic7** » Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:05 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Anyone have insider and want to post the blurb on the Hornets?

You could ask Bonnell on twitter. He subscribed to it after losign his insider, Rod Higgins.

catch20two · Post #524 » by **catch20two** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:25 am

25th best front office out of 30. Talk to me Yosemite. Lol

Post #525 » by **JDR720** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:46 am

I dont think this ranking means anything, its just a bunch of ESPN people that dont actually know anything about most of the teams.

looking at the actual members on the panel, most of them have nothing to do with the NBA at all or just cover 1 team.

Liver_Pooty · Post #526 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:50 am

25th is probably a little low, but it's not surprising.

Didn't say anything about us. Just gave us a score of 4.60, whatever that means.

catch20two · Post #527 » by **catch20two** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:08 am

I don't think we should be ranked 25th. I would prolly put us somewhere between 15-20 off the top of my head. Surprised to see us behind Sacramento after the way they did Mike Malone without mentioning their idiotic owner Vivek and the turmoil with the team and their star player a Cousins and that's just the top layer.

We went from 22nd last year to 25th this year. ESPN must not like our moves or the direction we're heading.

Liver_Pooty · Post #528 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:09 am

catch20two wrote:I don't think we should be ranked 25th. I would prolly put us somewhere between 15-20 off the top of my head. Surprised to see us behind Sacramento after the way they did Mike Malone without mentioning their idiotic owner Vivek and the turmoil with the team and their star player a Cousins and that's just the top layer.

We went from 22nd last year to 25th this year. ESPN must not like our moves or the direction we're heading.

That's how badly the Stephenson experiment has been. Thank God its a short contract

catch20two · Post #529 » by **catch20two** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:14 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:I don't think we should be ranked 25th. I would prolly put us somewhere between 15-20 off the top of my head. Surprised to see us behind Sacramento after the way they did Mike Malone without mentioning their idiotic owner Vivek and the turmoil with the team and their star player a Cousins and that's just the top layer.

We went from 22nd last year to 25th this year. ESPN must not like our moves or the direction we're heading.

That's how badly the Stephenson experiment has been. Thank God its a short contract

That's how badly the Stephenson/Williams/Roberts projects have been as a whole with 25M in cap space that summer. But like you said at least none of them are on lengthy contracts. Lance might turn the corner to be okay but eh I'm not bankin on it. I was really hellbent on expecting us to improve on last season so it's been disappointing. Not too many moves we can make to better the team now until 2016 offseason.

Benjamin Linus · Post #530 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:41 am

I'm not much of a fan of our front office, but being ranked behind the Kings and the Pelicans front office is pretty ridiculous.

BeesWax · Post #531 » by **BeesWax** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:50 am

Benjamin Linus wrote:I'm not much of a fan of our front office, but being ranked behind the Kings and the Pelicans front office is pretty ridiculous.

It also includes Owner and Coach if I am not mistake. MJ has always gotten a bad rep and the way Clifford has done this year I am not surprised if they bring it down as well.

MasterIchiro · Post #532 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:51 am

catch20two wrote:25th best front office out of 30.

DYNasty - "ESPN just being a joke character and corny"

MasterIchiro · Post #533 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:56 am

jdm3 wrote:
Benjamin Linus wrote:I'm not much of a fan of our front office, but being ranked behind the Kings and the Pelicans front office is pretty ridiculous.

It also includes Owner and Coach if I am not mistake. MJ has always gotten a bad rep and the way Clifford has done this year I am not surprised if they bring it down as well.

Because technically they are part of the front office but Clifford has been crystal clear he stays out of there way with personnel moves. They ask his input but he does not sign the checks or force the action.

Post #534 » by **yosemiteben** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:57 am

How did DET move up like ten spots? How did MIL move up so much? They barely did anything except use their draft pick to select an obvious candidate, trade away their borderline all star that now is causing them to possibly miss the playoffs and buy out a guy that didn't want to play their anyway. Kidd was a nice find, but are they really moving up that much based on one decision?

MasterIchiro · Post #535 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:57 am

Benjamin Linus wrote:I'm not much of a fan of our front office, but being ranked behind the Kings and the Pelicans front office is pretty ridiculous.

There is more value on those teams.

catch20two · Post #536 » by **catch20two** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:59 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
Benjamin Linus wrote:I'm not much of a fan of our front office, but being ranked behind the Kings and the Pelicans front office is pretty ridiculous.

It also includes Owner and Coach if I am not mistake. MJ has always gotten a bad rep and the way Clifford has done this year I am not surprised if they bring it down as well.

Because technically they are part of the front office but Clifford has been crystal clear he stays out of there way with personnel moves. They ask his input but he does not sign the checks or force the action.

I recall Clifford saying that a lot during predraft workouts. Also with no Higgins in the office there's not much to scapegoat on. This is Cho's gem of a roster with 20M in cap space and 2 1st rounders.

MasterIchiro · Post #537 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:00 am

The focus should be how we are at 25 and the answer is Rich Cho sucks.

MasterIchiro · Post #538 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:04 am

catch20two wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
jdm3 wrote:It also includes Owner and Coach if I am not mistake. MJ has always gotten a bad rep and the way Clifford has done this year I am not surprised if they bring it down as well.

Because technically they are part of the front office but Clifford has been crystal clear he stays out of there way with personnel moves. They ask his input but he does not sign the checks or force the action.

I recall Clifford saying that a lot during predraft workouts. Also with no Higgins in the office there's not much to scapegoat on. This is Cho's gem of a roster with 20M in cap space and 2 1st rounders.

Makes me sick to my stomach. I think Cho gets amnesty because fans obsessed with the MKG pick. And I think any negativity towards Cho is like an insult towards MKG in their eyes. But when you put it this way - 20 M in cap space and 2 first rounders - it's clear as day that it goes beyond his obsession with defense amidst a tidal wave shift towards offense throughout the league. If this were 1985 when Cho was forming his impression of basketball, we would be getting ahead instead of falling behind. The focus on defense is OK, the obsession with defense and complete absence of drafting range shooting is not OK. Anyways, he had a horrible offseason.

Hornet Mania · Post #539 » by **Hornet Mania** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:11 am

ESPN rankings mean nothing, it's not like this is based on some objective scientific process. It's a bunch of folks who know a bit about a few teams and almost nothing about others averaging out their opinions. We suffered from common wisdom being "MJ is a bad owner who meddles excessively" (false) and "MJ is our stealth GM from the golf course" (even more false) stigmas in the minds of many of the panel members I am certain. Our poor FA signing this offseason didn't help combat those stupid assumptions at all, thus we're below teams like the Kings and Pels who are quite clearly worse.

catch20two · Post #540 » by **catch20two** » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:12 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
catch20two wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
Because technically they are part of the front office but Clifford has been crystal clear he stays out of there way with personnel moves. They ask his input but he does not sign the checks or force the action.

I recall Clifford saying that a lot during predraft workouts. Also with no Higgins in the office there's not much to scapegoat on. This is Cho's gem of a roster with 20M in cap space and 2 1st rounders.

Makes me sick to my stomach. I think Cho gets amnesty because fans obsessed with the MKG pick. And I think any negativity towards Cho is like an insult towards MKG in their eyes. But when you put it this way - 20 M in cap space and 2 first rounders - it's clear as day that it goes beyond his obsession with defense amidst a tidal wave shift towards offense throughout the league. If this were 1985 when Cho was forming his impression of basketball, we would be getting ahead instead of falling behind. The focus on defense is OK, the obsession with defense and complete absence of drafting range shooting is not OK. Anyways, he had a horrible offseason.

MKG is just fine and one of the few and only reasons we do win some games instead of losing them all. It's the horrible job Cho has done at putting the right players around MKG or better yet in between MKG and Kemba where it's been 3 years of this BS. The slightest of hope we ever had was CDR at SG when Hendo got injured last year. CDR was splashing 3s and our offense was going thru the roof. Kemba assist were up and everything. I just don't get why Cho hasn't done more to make sure his best core players are surrounded by players that'll make life easier on them and the overall team better. I could care less about how nice of a guy Hendo has been or whatever trade target doesn't have enough defense.

And I wouldn't say that MKG is a Cho pick. MKG was a consolation prize after they missed out on AD at #1 and it was the right pick because Beal and Waiters and whatever SG that can make a few 3s aren't nowhere near the difference maker MKG is to winning.