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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#521 » by 316Hornets » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:32 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Nothing involving Dwight is a main problem for this team relative to our bench.


While Dwight isn't the main problem now, if we fix the bench, he will be. I guess it doesn't really matter since Zeller is out for a couple months. Can't really do anything unless a Gasol for Dwight trade could be worked out.
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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#522 » by HoopsMalone » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:56 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Nothing involving Dwight is a main problem for this team relative to our bench.



If we led with a Kemba/Graham/MKG/Marv/Frank starting lineup we'd probably outscore our opposition.

Then you could put a MCW/Lamb/Bacon/Batum/Dwight backup unit out there that could hold their own against other bench units.


Just running the same old terrible strategy out there night after night is ridiculous. Using Dwight postup possessions that average 0.78 points while we have KEMBA FREAKING WALKER out there is just crazy. We'd literally be better off jsut having Kemba run PNR and launch a 3 on every single play...open or not


The main guys who need to be broken up are Kemba and Dwight. And MKG and Dwight. We lose MKG's most valuable asset which are the slashes and grab and go's when he's in there with Dwight.
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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#523 » by catch20two » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:01 am

We average 1.02 points per possession by running the PnR through Kemba vs 0.78 points per possession running the offense through Dwight in the post. It’s not rocket science.

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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#524 » by HornetsCub » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:33 pm

I was at the game last night. I enjoy seeing Dwight taking up space and grabbing rebounds, but anything else is painful. As tall as he is, he can no longer jump. They had to have been more than 5-6 turnovers when they were trying to lob it to him, either he missed, it, bad pass, or he was not even looking for it. He pump fakes more than a 6' guy.
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Post#525 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:00 pm

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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#526 » by fatlever » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:18 pm

^yup agree with all that. DH is empty stats most nights. not much different than big al on both ends, just more flashy dunks and blocks.
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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#527 » by 316Hornets » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:54 pm

Dwight has a tough assignment when faced with 5s that space the floor. He's obviously our anchor in the post and I question whether him coming out would actually improve the defense that much since half our team can't stay in front of their man. Instead of open mid range jumpers, we'd give open layups or 3s.
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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#528 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:09 pm

316Hornets wrote:Dwight has a tough assignment when faced with 5s that space the floor. He's obviously our anchor in the post and I question whether him coming out would actually improve the defense that much since half our team can't stay in front of their man. Instead of open mid range jumpers, we'd give open layups or 3s.

Look at the videos in that twitter thread above. There was no 3 point shooting / spacing going on from his man.

In all 3 instances Dwight was guarding no one. He was near the free throw line ... and STEPPED BACK after guys went inside the 3 point line. If they miss he gets a rebound. If they drive maybe he gets a block. But if they shoot and make it? He's done nothing for team D. In all three cases, Dwight's man was up around the 3 point line setting solid screens while Dwight did nothing. He didn't switch. He didn't hedge. Didn't help ice. Heck, if he had just stayed in place all three times those shots would have been altered in some way.
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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#529 » by yosemiteben » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:06 pm

I think him dropping is a scheme issue, not an effort issue.
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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#530 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:23 pm

yosemiteben wrote:I think him dropping is a scheme issue, not an effort issue.

I don't think it's an EFFORT issue. I think it's a bad habit issue. I'm sure that the scheme is at fault here too partially.

I just don't think that any of those shots would have been there if Cody had been on the floor.

Dwight's individual interior defense, blocking, etc. is all really solid. The thread above is calling him out on his lack of contribution to team defense, and I think it's deserved.
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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#531 » by catch20two » Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:51 pm

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In a vacuum Schroder isn’t lying. I’ve taken shots at Dwight’s effort more times than I can count throughout the season. However the truth is probably more like “he only plays hard on the offensive side of the floor”. Am I the only person that notice that it seem like he moves faster with the ball in his hands than without it? Lol
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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#532 » by euphorbus » Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:41 pm

catch20two wrote:Am I the only person that notice that it seem like he moves faster with the ball in his hands than without it?


Could be, but Howard has the best defensive rating on the team, according to Basketball Reference, at 104. That is partially because he averages 14.2 rebounds per 36 minutes. Next on the team is Cody Zeller, at 10.2 (minimum 20 games). Howard is actually seventh in the league in rebounding per 36 minutes.
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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#533 » by Revived » Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:45 am

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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#534 » by catch20two » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:20 am

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Scrotum isn’t lying but eh. I’m just hoping some team is interested in his expiring contract going into next season. Dwight wasn’t bad for us this season but between his low BBIQ combined with our lack of coaching we loss a lot of games that we shouldn’t have.
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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#535 » by Revived » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:22 am

catch20two wrote:
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Scrotum isn’t lying but eh. I’m just hoping some team is interested in his expiring contract going into next season. Dwight wasn’t bad for us this season but between his low BBIQ combined with our lack of coaching we loss a lot of games that we shouldn’t have.

I just think it’s funny that he didn’t mention Orlando when that’s his original team and the one he went to the Finals with.
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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#536 » by geraldwallace » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:25 pm

Hating on a man putting up 17 and 13 a game smh only hornets fans


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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#537 » by fatlever » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:12 pm

2- There is plenty to attribute towards the Hornets struggle this season, but what’s the one theme that bothered you the most?

SP: If you follow me throughout the season, or listen to Buzz Beat Radio for that matter, then you already know the answer to this is going to be Dwight Howard.

D12 strolled into Charlotte this season, gobbled up big numbers at the team’s expense (mostly), and gave the Hornets PR team a dumb “record breaking player” narrative to float when it desperately needed something positive.

Except, therein lies the problem, I don’t see the positive in it. D12 high-jacked a spacey and creative offensive system that Clifford had worked so hard to implement with the Hornets and replaced it with the 3rd highest rate of post-ups in the NBA – refer to BG’s answer for the rest of D12’s frustrating post-up stats. I said it numerous times coming into the season: this offense could work with D12 in it if he bought in to being a committed screener, roller, rebounder and shot blocker – a low usage offensive player that catches lobs and out-muscles the opponent on the offensive glass. He was pretty much the opposite.

Dwight’s usage rate of 24.1% was his highest mark since the ’13-’14 season. D12 has always believed that offenses should go through him, but it’s never been true. The Hornets granted him the touches he demanded, Kemba and Batum usage rates predictably dropped, and the Hornets offense suffered – finishing 14th in the league.

Defensively, D12 shrunk the scheme Clifford could employ with his inability to move outside the paint. His fake effort protecting the rim was a sight that is sure to haunt my basketball dreams for years to come.

It’s likely that Kupchak will at least attempt to unload Dwight this summer (the two have a history), but the realistic prospect of that transaction are debatable (expiring deal, big cap number). Say what you want about D12, but he’s not a winning player and continues to prove that.

BG: A constant source of frustration: the over-reliance on Dwight Howard post-ups. The fun, side-to-side action from two seasons ago — when the Hornets were a top-10 offense and one of the NBA’s best 3-point forces — is gone. It’s replacement: an endless stream of D12 post touches that produce little in terms of positive output.

According to Synergy Sports, Dwight ranks No. 3 in the NBA in post-ups — over 37 percent of his possessions this season. The only two guys with more post touches: soon-to-be All-NBA big men LaMarcus Aldridge and Joel Embiid, both of whom are awesome on the block. There are 20 players this season averaging at least 3 post-ups per game; of that group, Dwight ranks 17th in efficiency — 0.81 points per possession — and 18th in turnover rate (18 percent).

It’s important to remember when these post-ups occur, too. Dwight played 92 percent of his minutes this season with Kemba; as we all know, Kemba is the plus/minus machine that makes Charlotte’s offense functional. So when he’s only the floor, the Hornets have to maximize offensive output in those minutes — knowing that it’ll be a slog once Kemba sits. The Hornets scored 108.8 points per 100 possessions (+2.2 net) with Kemba and Dwight on the floor together, which is pretty good; however, with Dwight on the bench, Charlotte scored 113.3 points per 100 (+7.2 net) with Kemba.

For a team like Charlotte, that’s so challenged for offense, you simply can’t justify lighting 6+ possessions per game on fire. I know, we’re fatigued of this talking point; however, this isn’t an effective way to operate on the margins.

I understand that “The Big Dog’s gotta eat” or whatever; if Dwight doesn’t get his token post touches, then he’s at risk for checking out. But it’s not like Charlotte received incredible activity from Dwight on the defensive end. The dependence on these possessions, especially when the offense slumped, made little sense.


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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#538 » by JDR720 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:27 pm

Im hoping that his stats and the fact that he didn't really cause any problems this year (off the court) means that we can get something for him.

what teams would need a big expiring? besides us obviously.
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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#539 » by Bassman » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:36 am

JDR720 wrote:Im hoping that his stats and the fact that he didn't really cause any problems this year (off the court) means that we can get something for him.

what teams would need a big expiring? besides us obviously.


Don’t know that answer, but I suspect Kupchak and the new coach will seek to trade him somewhere. He won’t fit the new scheme as it is certain to differ from the Cliff model. Howard has his issues but he was very productive, in a way that might tempt a team to bite.
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Re: The Dwight Howard Thread 

Post#540 » by Liver_Pooty » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:03 am

He really wasnt that bad this year. Was pretty good, actually. He can be frustrating as hell but some talk on here like hes hot garbage.
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