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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#521 » by yosemiteben » Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:54 am

GoBobs wrote:Now we have tried to get the next Gannis again and are giving LaMelo a complete bonehead who has no idea to play basketball and is only 18.

You saying this reminds me of people that say Edey won't be able to play in the NBA.

He started and was 3rd leading scorer on a playoff team in a competitive professional league. It is obviously untrue that he doesn't know how to play.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#522 » by GoBobs » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:12 am

yosemiteben wrote:
GoBobs wrote:Now we have tried to get the next Gannis again and are giving LaMelo a complete bonehead who has no idea to play basketball and is only 18.

You saying this reminds me of people that say Edey won't be able to play in the NBA.

He started and was 3rd leading scorer on a playoff team in a competitive professional league. It is obviously untrue that he doesn't know how to play.


We are going to see who was right and who was wrong. I think after a couple years you will be saying something different.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#523 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:15 am

GoBobs wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
GoBobs wrote:Now we have tried to get the next Gannis again and are giving LaMelo a complete bonehead who has no idea to play basketball and is only 18.

You saying this reminds me of people that say Edey won't be able to play in the NBA.

He started and was 3rd leading scorer on a playoff team in a competitive professional league. It is obviously untrue that he doesn't know how to play.


We are going to see who was right and who was wrong. I think after a couple years you will be saying something different.


He's 6'11, athletic, and can shoot a basketball. That alone will translate into something.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#524 » by GoBobs » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:20 am

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yosemiteben wrote:You saying this reminds me of people that say Edey won't be able to play in the NBA.

He started and was 3rd leading scorer on a playoff team in a competitive professional league. It is obviously untrue that he doesn't know how to play.


We are going to see who was right and who was wrong. I think after a couple years you will be saying something different.


He's 6'11, athletic, and can shoot a basketball. That alone will translate into something.


That isn't enough. Did you watch the entire film session. I did. It is hard to make it through a 1:30 min video, I admit. You can't watch this and come away that he is remotley prepared for the NBA or has any idea how to play.



It's cool if ya'll just want to drink the cool aid. I dont' care. I am just being honest about what I see. If you don't want to watch the film session, watch summer league. Watch his G league games. Watch him if he ever gets in the rotation. You will see. I just already know what is coming, because I watched that 1:30 min video that includes all his offensive possessions. He doesn't know how to play. That isn't going to fly in the league. Teammates will be unhappy with him doing stupid suff in the game, if he ever gets in the game.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#525 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:22 am

GoBobs wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
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We are going to see who was right and who was wrong. I think after a couple years you will be saying something different.


He's 6'11, athletic, and can shoot a basketball. That alone will translate into something.


That isn't enough. Did you watch the entire film session. I did. It is hard to make it through a 1:30 min video, I admit. You can't watch this and come away that he is remotley prepared for the NBA or has any idea how to play.



It's cool if ya'll just want to drink the cool aid. I dont' care. I am just being honest about what I see. If you don't want to watch the film session, watch summer league. Watch his G league games. Watch him if he ever gets in the rotation. You will see. I just already know what is coming, because I watched that 1:30 min video that includes all his offensive possessions. He doesn't know how to play. That isn't going to fly in the league. Teammates will be unhappy with him doing stupid suff in the game, if he ever gets in the game.


I actually spent an hour today bored since I don't have my sons this weekend watching him. Is he clueless sometimes? Absolutely. Does he have skills that translate to the NBA? Absolutely. His shot mechanics are solid for his age. Or any age for that matter. Solid release, ridiculous arc, maybe too much arc. He can shoot and make it from 30 feet. I think he's actually more comfortable from that range.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#526 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:23 am

On a sidenote do I like the pick? No, I still don't. But I can see why they picked him.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#527 » by yosemiteben » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:36 am

GoBobs wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
GoBobs wrote:Now we have tried to get the next Gannis again and are giving LaMelo a complete bonehead who has no idea to play basketball and is only 18.

You saying this reminds me of people that say Edey won't be able to play in the NBA.

He started and was 3rd leading scorer on a playoff team in a competitive professional league. It is obviously untrue that he doesn't know how to play.


We are going to see who was right and who was wrong. I think after a couple years you will be saying something different.

I won't be wrong that he knows how to play basketball. That has already been proven by the fact that he was a valuable contributor to a playoff team in a competitive professional league.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#528 » by GoBobs » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:16 am

yosemiteben wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:You saying this reminds me of people that say Edey won't be able to play in the NBA.

He started and was 3rd leading scorer on a playoff team in a competitive professional league. It is obviously untrue that he doesn't know how to play.


We are going to see who was right and who was wrong. I think after a couple years you will be saying something different.

I won't be wrong that he knows how to play basketball. That has already been proven by the fact that he was a valuable contributor to a playoff team in a competitive professional league.


Did your watch the video?

He makes bad decisions.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#529 » by amcoolio » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:21 am

GoBobs wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
We are going to see who was right and who was wrong. I think after a couple years you will be saying something different.

I won't be wrong that he knows how to play basketball. That has already been proven by the fact that he was a valuable contributor to a playoff team in a competitive professional league.


Did your watch the video?

He makes bad decisions.


Again you completely ignored that I said that he rapidly improved from the time that video was made to the french playoffs and I even posted a video of a breakdown of said french playoff game and you can see he plays completely different. THE REASON he was drafted #6 is because of his rapid improvement in his age 18 year.


Sure, i’ll post a video of Edey freshman age 18 year and laugh at why Memphis drafted him 9. That’s about as much sense as that makes
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#530 » by GoBobs » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:25 am

amcoolio wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:I won't be wrong that he knows how to play basketball. That has already been proven by the fact that he was a valuable contributor to a playoff team in a competitive professional league.


Did your watch the video?

He makes bad decisions.


Again you completely ignored that I said that he rapidly improved from the time that video was made to the french playoffs and I even posted a video of a breakdown of said french playoff game and you can see he plays completely different. THE REASON he was drafted #6 is because of his rapid improvement in his age 18 year.


Sure, i’ll post a video of Edey freshman year and laugh at why Memphis drafted him 9


Memphis didn't draft him after his freshman year though. They waited to see if the improvement was going to happen. It could happen for Salaun also, but it doesn't for most guys.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#531 » by Diop » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:28 am

Can we not turn every thread into a Salaun debate!
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#532 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:30 am

amcoolio wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:I won't be wrong that he knows how to play basketball. That has already been proven by the fact that he was a valuable contributor to a playoff team in a competitive professional league.


Did your watch the video?

He makes bad decisions.


Again you completely ignored that I said that he rapidly improved from the time that video was made to the french playoffs and I even posted a video of a breakdown of said french playoff game and you can see he plays completely different. THE REASON he was drafted #6 is because of his rapid improvement in his age 18 year.


Sure, i’ll post a video of Edey freshman age 18 year and laugh at why Memphis drafted him 9. That’s about as much sense as that makes


I'm feeling somewhat alarmed Vecenie (who's doesn't speak gospel by any means) tags Salaun as most limited as a ball handler which lowers his ceiling as a shot creator, not to mention connective mover on offense.

Like JT Thor was a black hole the size of MKG when teammates delivered the ball to his hands.

You have to buy the shot big time. It still boggles my mind Bradley Beal shot mediocre in college yet the scouts (except Richard Cho's) just knew he would rip the nets in the pros.

When he takes a 3, who comes to your mind?

I may listen.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#533 » by GoBobs » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:49 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
amcoolio wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
Did your watch the video?

He makes bad decisions.


Again you completely ignored that I said that he rapidly improved from the time that video was made to the french playoffs and I even posted a video of a breakdown of said french playoff game and you can see he plays completely different. THE REASON he was drafted #6 is because of his rapid improvement in his age 18 year.


Sure, i’ll post a video of Edey freshman age 18 year and laugh at why Memphis drafted him 9. That’s about as much sense as that makes


I'm feeling somewhat alarmed Vecenie (who's doesn't speak gospel by any means) tags Salaun as most limited as a ball handler which lowers his ceiling as a shot creator, not to mention connective mover on offense.

Like JT Thor was a black hole the size of MKG when teammates delivered the ball to his hands.

You have to buy the shot big time. It still boggles my mind Bradley Beal shot mediocre in college yet the scouts (except Richard Cho's) just knew he would rip the nets in the pros.

When he takes a 3, who comes to your mind?

I may listen.


He is Oubre 2.0, 1000%

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He has good size but plays like a shooting guard. The best thing he does is hit some 3s like Oubre but you are not really sure if you want him taking some of them.

He is a nonpasser and nondribbler at this stage on the level of Tyrus Thomas. He makes questionable decisions on both sides of the ball like Oubre. He doesn't look like he has good feel on either end. He just has such a long way to go and it doesn't help that his english seems a little limited.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#534 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:53 am

GoBobs wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
amcoolio wrote:
Again you completely ignored that I said that he rapidly improved from the time that video was made to the french playoffs and I even posted a video of a breakdown of said french playoff game and you can see he plays completely different. THE REASON he was drafted #6 is because of his rapid improvement in his age 18 year.


Sure, i’ll post a video of Edey freshman age 18 year and laugh at why Memphis drafted him 9. That’s about as much sense as that makes


I'm feeling somewhat alarmed Vecenie (who's doesn't speak gospel by any means) tags Salaun as most limited as a ball handler which lowers his ceiling as a shot creator, not to mention connective mover on offense.

Like JT Thor was a black hole the size of MKG when teammates delivered the ball to his hands.

You have to buy the shot big time. It still boggles my mind Bradley Beal shot mediocre in college yet the scouts (except Richard Cho's) just knew he would rip the nets in the pros.

When he takes a 3, who comes to your mind?

I may listen.


He is Oubre 2.0, 1000%

Tsunami Pepe

He has good size but plays like a shooting guard. The best thing he does is hit some 3s like Oubre but you are not really sure if you want him taking some of them.

He is a nonpasser and nondribbler at this stage on the level of Tyrus Thomas. He makes questionable decisions on both sides of the ball like Oubre. He doesn't look like he has good feel on either end. He just has such a long way to go and it doesn't help that his english seems a little limited.


Sounds like the play should be to turn down the volume on his shooting and teach him how to work the corner 3. Hopefully he doesn't stroke his own ego the way Oubre does, or stare at his navel all day long like it's some beauty mark.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#535 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Jun 30, 2024 4:02 am

Or put the ball on the floor like Thor treating every minute like garbage time.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#536 » by Chapelchilla » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:41 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Are you seriously defending Melo for wanting out?

Cmon Bobs the dude can't even stay healthy. He's not thinking about demanding a trade. All this noise about Melo being unhappy is just weird. Kid is smiling having fun with his teammates. When has it actually looked like he was unhappy in Charlotte?


He doesn't want out as far as I know. Wouldn't blame him if he did though.

We have been a terrible franchise for 20 years and it doesn't look like anything is changing. We are doing the same dumb stuff.
You still mad we didn't draft Edey huh?



Melo is lucky to be getting paid. He has no leverage to demand a trade. If he did, we may be better off than paying a guy to watch games in fancy duds. Miller is the guy we need to keep happy.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#537 » by MPM » Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:42 pm

I predict that Edey will be the worst FT shooter in the history of FT shooting. Just look. Look! (Also trade something for somebody)

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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#538 » by vexco » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:47 pm

GoBobs wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
We are going to see who was right and who was wrong. I think after a couple years you will be saying something different.


He's 6'11, athletic, and can shoot a basketball. That alone will translate into something.


That isn't enough. Did you watch the entire film session. I did. It is hard to make it through a 1:30 min video, I admit. You can't watch this and come away that he is remotley prepared for the NBA or has any idea how to play.



It's cool if ya'll just want to drink the cool aid. I dont' care. I am just being honest about what I see. If you don't want to watch the film session, watch summer league. Watch his G league games. Watch him if he ever gets in the rotation. You will see. I just already know what is coming, because I watched that 1:30 min video that includes all his offensive possessions. He doesn't know how to play. That isn't going to fly in the league. Teammates will be unhappy with him doing stupid suff in the game, if he ever gets in the game.


You're not being honest about what you see, you're being hypercritical in a down draft that we took a swing for the fences. Please stop saying "you will see" or acting like you've watched any more of the kid than any of us. You're just being dramatic and overreacting.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#539 » by JMAC3 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 7:16 pm

GoBobs wrote: Memphis didn't draft him after his freshman year though. They waited to see if the improvement was going to happen. It could happen for Salaun also, but it doesn't for most guys.


You are lost my guy. If you want to be a good drafting team in the NBA you take guys for what they will/can become. Not who they are right now. Trying to argue he isn't good at dumb things like close outs, pump fakes etc right now as an 18 yr old is really foolish..

Yes, in a game right now Edey is better, but that is not how smart teams draft. Same reason we just saw 16 teams pass on Knecht.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #6 

Post#540 » by Rich4114 » Tue Jul 2, 2024 1:45 pm

Salaun is 18 and his biggest weakness seems to be he has bad shot selection. Similar to Ron Holland. Probably one of the easiest things to coach up since he has size, skill and a good shot form. I think it was still an enormous risk to take him given who we could've taken instead, but if they are swinging for upside and factoring in his age and ability to develop/coach him - then I see why they wanted him. I think the attitude/hustle he has is what elevated him above some others though. The Lee/Jeff theme here seems to be hustle, high effort, high energy guys which we do need desperately.

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