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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#541 » by HornetJail » Thu Jul 18, 2013 1:53 pm

Snidely FC wrote:Well, Mully to LAC is bittersweet for me.

His production and playing time will be supplanted by Cody Zeller, whose bbiq must be 3x Mully's.

Still, it's hard not to think of what might of been. Mully still has breathtaking talent. I enjoyed watching him paired with McBob at the end of last season, an unusually effective combo. I enjoyed his truly goofy persona.

In LAC he will join a team where he will not be given a green light to play stupidly, where he will be surrounded by veteran high iq players, reigned in and position defined by one of the best coaches in the business. I expect him to do quite well, possibly even be a revelation. If he can find playing time.

For $2M a year I would have brought him back. I kind of hate to see him go. Though I can't say I'll miss his vacuous turnstile defense.

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Right there with you man, I'm convinced Chris Paul is going to make Mullens realize his potential and we're going to be the idiots that didn't even offer him a qualifying offers. I hate to see him go but between Zeller, Jefferson, Biz and McBob, there was no way he was ever getting halfway consistent playing time here.
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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#542 » by fatlever » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:10 pm

even if mully goes on to realize 60% of his potential with the clips (figure he was closer to 30% with us), we can't look back and play the "what if" game. sometimes players just need a specific situation to reach their best. it was clear that mully wasnt going to ever be that player with us. he needed a team with more structure, more vets. this will be interesting to watch for sure.
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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#543 » by EwingSweatsALot » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:38 pm

Good for Mully catching on with a contender. It is what he needs for his career. He can't make it as a starter or a 3rd big man off the bench with how his game is constructed now, which is what he was here and what he would be on another poor team. Have him as a 4th big man to come in and see if he can catch fire is a good fit for him. I just don't expect much out of him. I think he is what he is at this point unless he tries to redefine his game.

What I mean by that is his shot selection is extremely poor. I don't necessarily mean based on how he is defended, but just where he takes shots based on how good he is at taking them. I'll try to coherently explain further from a quick and somewhat small sample sized study I have done.

In the 2012-13 season, there were 13 7 footers that played 1000 minutes and attempted 500 shots. This includes Mullens. Mullens eFG% inside the paint last year was 53.42%, which is just above 1% below the other 12s average. So not great, but pretty good for what people consider an outside shooter. The issue here is though that only 28.6% of his attempts are inside the paint, where the average for the 7 footers is 65.17%. A rather staggering difference. So Mullens is average in the paint with the likes of some of the better big men in the game, but chooses to not go in the paint near as much as they do. His strength plays a factor in this, but a 37% difference factor? I don't know.

Now lets look outside the paint, what some would consider Mullens best attribute. Mullens eFG% outside of the paint is 40.8%, this actually happens to be 2.5% less than the average of the other guys. So for a guy that is touted as a shooter by some(Bonnell *cough cough*) he is actually pretty poor compared to the other 7 footers in the game. So where Mullens happens to put his most effort, 71.4% of his shots, he is actually pretty poor at when you make it relative to the others. We know Mullens loves the three at that is obvious, 37% of his shots are 3s which is way more than any other 7 footer(not shocking though). He shoots 4.5% below the other 7 footers, but it is highly skewed by Dirk. I would like to see him shoot less 3-pointers, but this isn't the real issue. The issue comes in the 2-pointers outside of the paint. He is about a little above average(3.5% more) with the other 7 footers when it comes to these attempts, but he shoots 8.5% below the average on these shots. His mid-range jumper is EXTREMELY poor when you throw it up against the other guys. These mid-range shots make him one of the most inefficient scorers in the NBA. He shoots just about most of his shots here, but compared to others he has his worst eFG%.

Now how does this get fixed? Veteran leadership and good coaching. If that doesn't work well then possibly a lobotomy. He has only been in the league four years, but he is a gunner. He LOVES to shoot. When that ball touches his hand, first thing he does is find the rim to see if he can get a shot off. This is what concerns me about him becoming a better player. Some guys just don't have it in them to change who they are. Maybe a little here and there, but you tend to be the guy you are. Not many change up their game a good bit at a young age. It tends to be the older guys having to change to stay around, not the younger guys. To fix it he needs to cut down on those mid range 2s or make an extreme effort to work on them. I'd cut down on those a lot, cut down on the threes a little and try to get in the paint some more. He is good enough in the paint and the restricted area to be the 3rd big man on a team. He just doesn't take his game there. His need to have his fix of outside shots is what is holding him back. Hopefully Paul and Doc can drive this into his brain because he has the athletic ability, but he tries to be someone he just can't be. If those two guys can't get him on the right direction then the Mully we saw will be the only Mully anyone ever sees.

I also know that being a better player is more than scoring. I just focused on this well because that's what Mullens does. He is a scorer, or wants/tries to be a scorer. I'd like to see him rebound the ball better too, but he just doesn't seem to have that in him. He is 12th out of the 13 guys I looked at in TRB%. This is one reason I really like Zeller because he has that rebound drive in him.
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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#544 » by HornetJail » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:46 pm

Doc Rivers just needs to park Mullens' ass in the paint and only occasionally let him venture out to about 17 feet at most.
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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#545 » by catch20two » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:30 pm

Doc Rivers can do whatever he want with Mullens offensively but he can't save his lack of focus defensively. Put me on record as one of the people that believe Mullens will flop hard in LA with the Clippers. He'll probably start out fast before he's wheezing on the back of their bench with DNP-CDs.
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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#546 » by illastrate » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:56 pm

Clipper fan here.

Nice to see that a few of you believe Mullens has untapped potential and will flourish in a more structured system with the right coach and roster. I think he can too in limited mins. Just need Doc and CP3 to keep him in check.
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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#547 » by HornetJail » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:51 pm

illastrate wrote:Clipper fan here.

Nice to see that a few of you believe Mullens has untapped potential and will flourish in a more structured system with the right coach and roster. I think he can too in limited mins. Just need Doc and CP3 to keep him in check.

Absolutely. I can't think of a better team for Mullens than the Clippers.
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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#548 » by Diop » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:28 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:Doc Rivers just needs to park Mullens' ass in the paint and only occasionally let him venture out to about 17 feet at most.

I don't think they will do that though, I think they want him for spacing and will keep him around the perimeter for open jump shots, hopefully dragging his opponent out of the key.

I don't believe he will get the freedom he got here, he will be a role player.
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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#549 » by Johnlac1 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:02 am

EwingSweatsALot wrote:Good for Mully catching on with a contender. It is what he needs for his career. He can't make it as a starter or a 3rd big man off the bench with how his game is constructed now, which is what he was here and what he would be on another poor team. Have him as a 4th big man to come in and see if he can catch fire is a good fit for him. I just don't expect much out of him. I think he is what he is at this point unless he tries to redefine his game.

What I mean by that is his shot selection is extremely poor. I don't necessarily mean based on how he is defended, but just where he takes shots based on how good he is at taking them. I'll try to coherently explain further from a quick and somewhat small sample sized study I have done.

In the 2012-13 season, there were 13 7 footers that played 1000 minutes and attempted 500 shots. This includes Mullens. Mullens eFG% inside the paint last year was 53.42%, which is just above 1% below the other 12s average. So not great, but pretty good for what people consider an outside shooter. The issue here is though that only 28.6% of his attempts are inside the paint, where the average for the 7 footers is 65.17%. A rather staggering difference. So Mullens is average in the paint with the likes of some of the better big men in the game, but chooses to not go in the paint near as much as they do. His strength plays a factor in this, but a 37% difference factor? I don't know.

Now lets look outside the paint, what some would consider Mullens best attribute. Mullens eFG% outside of the paint is 40.8%, this actually happens to be 2.5% less than the average of the other guys. So for a guy that is touted as a shooter by some(Bonnell *cough cough*) he is actually pretty poor compared to the other 7 footers in the game. So where Mullens happens to put his most effort, 71.4% of his shots, he is actually pretty poor at when you make it relative to the others. We know Mullens loves the three at that is obvious, 37% of his shots are 3s which is way more than any other 7 footer(not shocking though). He shoots 4.5% below the other 7 footers, but it is highly skewed by Dirk. I would like to see him shoot less 3-pointers, but this isn't the real issue. The issue comes in the 2-pointers outside of the paint. He is about a little above average(3.5% more) with the other 7 footers when it comes to these attempts, but he shoots 8.5% below the average on these shots. His mid-range jumper is EXTREMELY poor when you throw it up against the other guys. These mid-range shots make him one of the most inefficient scorers in the NBA. He shoots just about most of his shots here, but compared to others he has his worst eFG%.

Now how does this get fixed? Veteran leadership and good coaching. If that doesn't work well then possibly a lobotomy. He has only been in the league four years, but he is a gunner. He LOVES to shoot. When that ball touches his hand, first thing he does is find the rim to see if he can get a shot off. This is what concerns me about him becoming a better player. Some guys just don't have it in them to change who they are. Maybe a little here and there, but you tend to be the guy you are. Not many change up their game a good bit at a young age. It tends to be the older guys having to change to stay around, not the younger guys. To fix it he needs to cut down on those mid range 2s or make an extreme effort to work on them. I'd cut down on those a lot, cut down on the threes a little and try to get in the paint some more. He is good enough in the paint and the restricted area to be the 3rd big man on a team. He just doesn't take his game there. His need to have his fix of outside shots is what is holding him back. Hopefully Paul and Doc can drive this into his brain because he has the athletic ability, but he tries to be someone he just can't be. If those two guys can't get him on the right direction then the Mully we saw will be the only Mully anyone ever sees.

I also know that being a better player is more than scoring. I just focused on this well because that's what Mullens does. He is a scorer, or wants/tries to be a scorer. I'd like to see him rebound the ball better too, but he just doesn't seem to have that in him. He is 12th out of the 13 guys I looked at in TRB%. This is one reason I really like Zeller because he has that rebound drive in him.

That's a pretty good summation of Mullens. As a Bucks fan, I watched Mullens have his 31pt 14 rbd, game against where he completely outplayed Ilyasova. I wondered why he had so many problems. With his size and athletic ability, Mullens has the potential to be a star player.

As many fans have pointed out, Mullens came into the league not only needing certain skills, he had a very low bb IQ. That has been his biggest problem as a pro, and one area where progress (or lack of it) will determine his future. He is actually playing smarter than when he first came into the league or even started playing with Charlotte. But to be fair, he also played with one of the most disorganized, least intelligent players and teams in the league. Mullens still has excellent athletic ability and a good outside shot. But even Paul Silas couldn't understand why Mullens didn't work harder for closer shots as he has a very good jump hook. He also showed signs last year of being a very good rebounder although his onball defense was still quite subpar. Nevertheless, if the Clippers and Chris Paul can improve Mullens bb IQ and he keeps working on his weak areas, the Clippers will have themselves a very valuable ballplayer.
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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#550 » by BigSlam » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:07 am

Welcome to the board EwingSweatsALot.

I think that Mullens will be a flog no matter where he plays. Like EwingSweatsALot said, his shot selection just sucks and he has an over inflated opinion of his own abilities. It was the same at OSU.

Sure, he'll bang out a hand full of good games a season, but that will only be 10% of the time. For the balance of the 90% he'll drive fans nuts.
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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#551 » by TheKingofSting » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:10 am

Mully to Flop City is funny on so many levels.
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Post#552 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:41 am

Byron Mullens will sprinkle about 10 good games into a 82 game schedule, but nothing more
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Post#553 » by lmcguir5 » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:58 am

I wonder how long it will take Doc to get infuriated with Mullens for routinely and blatantly traveling and not realizing what he did wrong. I can't imagine he'll even make the second squad for the Clips.
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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#554 » by fatlever » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:52 pm

let the byron mullens irrational expectations begin.

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Post#555 » by lmcguir5 » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:20 am

fatlever wrote:let the byron mullens irrational expectations begin.

1st up, hoopsworld

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I see Byron Mullens as a stretch five - closer to Okur than to a stretch four like Ryan Anderson re: Clippers


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Post#556 » by Elden Payton » Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:09 am

Bye-Ron Mullens.

Good riddance.
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Post#557 » by amcoolio » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:41 am

I doubt he's even in the rotation, and won't play at all in the playoffs.

I'll miss him though. That poster on LMA was one of the best dunks in our history in my opinion.
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Post#558 » by Fred Williamson » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:08 am

fatlever wrote:let the byron mullens irrational expectations begin.

1st up, hoopsworld

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I see Byron Mullens as a stretch five - closer to Okur than to a stretch four like Ryan Anderson re: Clippers


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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#559 » by amcoolio » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:56 am

Cant wait to drop the hammer on you fools. You all wanna complain about 31.6% 3pt shooting saying the dude can't shoot but then u wanna hail the great Kevin Love as the best big man shooter in the league. Okay. Okay. Lets drop some BOMBS on ya. Mr. LOVE shot a ridiculously amazing 21% last year. That is no typo. I know he only played like 20 games but he shot 21%.. INCREDIBLE numbers... but since 20 games isnt much to go by... he shoots 35% for his CAREER. a whopping 3.4% better than this dude. Kevin Love is the most overated nba player in my lifetime. (Im 29) Great signing. He wont be forcing shots playing on a contender with cp3 setting him up. His efficiency will go up with his shots going down. Im worried about his Defense and that's it. I think he can play team D like redick. Not great 1v1 D players but can hold their own in a system. We'll see. Rise up clippernation. This is OUR year.


Better coach and team, think about it and not bashing the Bobcats, but the Bobcats have been bad for years, the culture their knows nothing about winning yet.


Mullens has enough leverage to command a players option? Oooooh kaaaaay


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Re: "No No No, Don't Shoot" - The Byron Mullens Thread 

Post#560 » by HornetJail » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:54 pm

Not that Mullens has anything to do with it, but Kevin Love is very overrated.


I do think that Mullens is going to be legit for them though.
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