Fake Trade Thread III

[mrknowitall215]

Are we looking at the same numbers? I wouldn't want a player with Price's numbers on the court at all, whereas Sessions has proven (more so than Kemba, honestly) that he can be an effective scorer and distributor, at different stops in his career with different roles (starter vs. reserve, primary vs. secondary ballhandler).

I would only consider a replacement level backup like Price if I had an elite starting point guard.

You'd have to use the per 36 numbers, not the raw numbers to get a better comparison. I'm not saying that Price is on Sessions tier of play, but he can fill in if need be

I also understand your reasoning about only considering Price as a replacement level backup only if you had an elite starting point guard. I just happen to believe that the Bobcats need to start taking some chances versus being stagnant. I don't think it's realistic for them to think that they'll become a winning team by holding onto every productive piece that isn't producing wins now. Sessions, Taylor, Henderson, or somebody else that's currently in the rotation won't be a part of this team when and if they expect to turn the corner

[MasterIchiro]

Why are people fixated on the filler in that proposal? The deal has little to do with AJ Price and nearly everything to do with Derek Williams for a vet (Sessions) that can make starter money somewhere as a free agent and that time is fast approaching. Derek Williams could be a long term piece, a potential starter on this roster and Sessions is at best a 6th man on the Bobcats (who will command starter dollars somewhere soon). At worst Derek Williams is still a 6th man. And it should be debated whether or not Williams would help space the floor better when he's on it. Sessions gets to the free throw line which is great but is he enough of a threat to shoot to open up the game of other Bobcats? And then you have to look at rebounding and defense.

[MasterIchiro]

You also have to consider. Sessions is stuck behind Kemba. That's not going to change. Williams could push Zeller and McBob for a starter job and push MKG for minutes. His presence might incite competition and raise the level of play of 3 different Bobcats. Sessions presence doesn't really change the level of competition for any starter. They're all safe. It would be challenging to find a better return for Sessions - a playoff hungry team looking for vets and wanting to go deeper ready to unload some overlap with D. Williams stuck behind Love. D. Williams could blossom here with less pressure. If there's a deal out there that brings in a shooter for Sessions then I'd be for that as well. But this proposal shouldn't get criticism for the filler. The main part of the deal is the most we can expect for Sessions. Williams was a #2 pick.

[JDR720]

Williams makes me think of Mullens, low % PF shooters that are bad defenders and average rebounders, dont need him taking up minutes that should be for Zeller and MKG to continue their development and McBob is a very important part of the offense with his passing and he is a better shooter than Williams also

[MasterIchiro]

Except for Mullens is tanking and D. Williams is still only 22, stuck behind Kevin Love and has upside. Other than that - exact same player, spitting image.

[catch20two]

Derrick Williams isn't nowhere near as annoying of a player as Mullens. That's not even a comparison. Williams is a good young player that just haven't gotten a real chance.

[Elden Payton]

The Williams trade rumours have never gone away because they have legs.

It would make sense for us to roll the dice.

[Eoghan]

If we can unload Driftwood on Minny I'd be down for anything.

[Liver_Pooty]

Taylor doesn't need to go anywhere. He's struggled, but its hard to find players with upside on a contract like his since he's a second recounder.

[Elden Payton]

Taylor doesn't need to go anywhere. He's struggled, but its hard to find players with upside on a contract like his since he's a second recounder.

I don't think we would use Taylor as filler but he would definitely be used in the right trade imo.

He's really inconsistent and he needs to start putting it together.

[catch20two]

Taylor doesn't need to go anywhere. He's struggled, but its hard to find players with upside on a contract like his since he's a second recounder.

I would trade Jeff Taylor with the quickness to land Derrick Williams.

[thruthefire]

Why are people fixated on the filler in that proposal?

No one is. I addressed Price secondly. Like I said before that, Williams isn't worth his salary and Sessions.

[MPM]

No way do I do Williams for Taylor in any form. There is a reason Williams - as a #2 pick - sees relatively low minutes for the Wolves. Corey Brewer is a prototypical SF, Love is a prototypical PF, Williams is a prototypical tweener shooting 40% for the season, 10% from three, and bringing down 2 boards in 17 minutes. He doesn't really do anything well, apart from the occasional scoring outburst. He gets less PT than Dante Cunningham.

Warts and all, Taylor is a second year player with low salary that has great size, athleticism and the potential to be a solid 3&D guy off the bench for years to come. He's had an up and down start to the season, but I'll stick with what we have.

[chrbal]

I could see taking a chance on him, but I wouldn't give up that much to get him. Rather take my chances on getting him as a free agent.

[mrknowitall215]

I could see taking a chance on him, but I wouldn't give up that much to get him. Rather take my chances on getting him as a free agent.

Didn't Minnesota pick up Williams' option though? Clearly, they have no qualms with paying him $6 million to rot for another year. I never understood their reasoning for drafting him since they already had Kevin Love the same way I never understood them drafting Ricky Rubio & Jonny Flynn back-to-back in the same draft and to a lesser extent Wesley Johnson when they already had Corey Brewer

[chrbal]

in spite of the ever changing owners, and everything else. The Wolves have constantly doing this. Every so many years they seem to draft same type players in back to back years.

I'm thinking Williams can be had next year for cap space and a 2nd round pick.

[Liver_Pooty]

Any interest in Kenneth Faried anyone?

[Elden Payton]

I could see taking a chance on him, but I wouldn't give up that much to get him. Rather take my chances on getting him as a free agent.

Didn't Minnesota pick up Williams' option though? Clearly, they have no qualms with paying him $6 million to rot for another year. I never understood their reasoning for drafting him since they already had Kevin Love the same way I never understood them drafting Ricky Rubio & Jonny Flynn back-to-back in the same draft and to a lesser extent Wesley Johnson when they already had Corey Brewer

I understand it.

It was called David Kahn.

[Snidely FC]

Any interest in Kenneth Faried anyone?

I would love to have Faried on the team. I'd also want Shumpert. But who do we trade to get either?

[MasterIchiro]

Utah can easily trade Hayward. I don't see them letting a team steal him, especially being a restricted free agent. They can trade him or match any offer. They're not going to lose the guy for nothing imho. So if the Bobcats really want him they will have to make a trade using some pretty big assets.