The Nik Stauskas Thread

[MasterIchiro]

Put Stauskas next to Kemba where he won't have the ball in his hands as much as he did in college and he'll average like 2-3 assist and no more than 14 points.

The fact that Kemba even has a ball handler next to him is what matters, stats aside. The fact that the team can add a sniper and playmaker rolled into one player is what matters. If you want to select a better individual talent at 9, go ahead, but it's corny of you to omit all of his other assets to try to justify it.

Stauskas is far more than just a shooter (Redick). So take someone else but if you lowball Nik it doesn't make sense to me.

[catch20two]

Nik Stauskas is definitely never going to be Reddick.

They probably said the same thing about Casey Jacobsen.

My beef here with you regarding Stauskas is that you want to compare him to players who's only skill is shooting. That's not Nik's only skill. He dribbles and makes plays for a sniper and if you want to go ahead and be dismissive of those additional skills then you're not treating this prospect legitimately. These skills obviously matter in the NBA (Spurs) and as a fan they matter to you, so I have no idea why you talk about Nik as if he doesn't have additional skills that hold immense value for a team.

I concede he may not be the best individual talent at 9 but he's going to make the team overall better than any player at 9, and that's the idea here, like the Spurs, to put guys together for fit that play as a team and make each other better.

He only averaged 3 assist as the primary ballhandler and passer for Michigan. I'll agree that he isn't just some stiff that can't put the ball on the floor and etcetera but he's no assist getter. He's a average playmaker like most SGs that can dribble. You make it seem like he was dishing like James Harden in college.

[catch20two]

Put Stauskas next to Kemba where he won't have the ball in his hands as much as he did in college and he'll average like 2-3 assist and no more than 14 points.

The fact that Kemba even has a ball handler next to him is what matters, stats aside. The fact that the team can add a sniper and playmaker rolled into one player is what matters. If you want to select a better individual talent at 9, go ahead, but it's corny of you to omit all of his other assets to try to justify it.

Stauskas is far more than just a shooter (Redick). So take someone else but if you lowball Nik it doesn't make sense to me.

Kemba don't need no ballhandler beside him. Sure another ballhandler and shooter would be helpful but Kemba need a player that could be a star next to him. Kemba need a player on the team that might could be better than him and that damn sure ain't no Stauskas.

[MasterIchiro]

They probably said the same thing about Casey Jacobsen.

My beef here with you regarding Stauskas is that you want to compare him to players who's only skill is shooting. That's not Nik's only skill. He dribbles and makes plays for a sniper and if you want to go ahead and be dismissive of those additional skills then you're not treating this prospect legitimately. These skills obviously matter in the NBA (Spurs) and as a fan they matter to you, so I have no idea why you talk about Nik as if he doesn't have additional skills that hold immense value for a team.

I concede he may not be the best individual talent at 9 but he's going to make the team overall better than any player at 9, and that's the idea here, like the Spurs, to put guys together for fit that play as a team and make each other better.

He only averaged 3 assist as the primary ballhandler and passer for Michigan. I'll agree that he isn't just some stiff that can't put the ball on the floor and etcetera but he's no assist getter. He's a average playmaker like most SGs that can dribble. You make it seem like he was dishing like James Harden in college.

I loved Harden's handles and playmaking abilities in college, just as I do Stauskas'. Not every SG has the same assist/turnover ratio as Kemba Walker in 2014 btw. He's not just some guard who dribbles. Again, take your guy at 9, I'm taking the one who makes the team better and doesn't need to rack up individual stats to make me happy.

[MasterIchiro]

Put Stauskas next to Kemba where he won't have the ball in his hands as much as he did in college and he'll average like 2-3 assist and no more than 14 points.

The fact that Kemba even has a ball handler next to him is what matters, stats aside. The fact that the team can add a sniper and playmaker rolled into one player is what matters. If you want to select a better individual talent at 9, go ahead, but it's corny of you to omit all of his other assets to try to justify it.

Stauskas is far more than just a shooter (Redick). So take someone else but if you lowball Nik it doesn't make sense to me.

Kemba don't need no ballhandler beside him. Sure another ballhandler and shooter would be helpful but Kemba need a player that could be a star next to him. Kemba need a player on the team that might could be better than him and that damn sure ain't no Stauskas.

If you're expecting anyone picked at 9 to turn out better than Kemba you're setting yourself up for disappointment (and still throughout this conversation ignore Stauskas skills that impact the whole team and every player outside his own stat sheet).

[catch20two]

The fact that Kemba even has a ball handler next to him is what matters, stats aside. The fact that the team can add a sniper and playmaker rolled into one player is what matters. If you want to select a better individual talent at 9, go ahead, but it's corny of you to omit all of his other assets to try to justify it.

Stauskas is far more than just a shooter (Redick). So take someone else but if you lowball Nik it doesn't make sense to me.

Kemba don't need no ballhandler beside him. Sure another ballhandler and shooter would be helpful but Kemba need a player that could be a star next to him. Kemba need a player on the team that might could be better than him and that damn sure ain't no Stauskas.

If you're expecting anyone picked at 9 to turn out better than Kemba you're setting yourself up for disappointment (and still throughout this conversation ignore Stauskas skills that impact the whole team and every player outside his own stat sheet).

I'm not ignoring Stauskas' skills. You're overrating his skills. You make it seem like he's some type of PG in a SG body when in reality his assist numbers are typical for a SG with high usage as he had.

[MasterIchiro]

Kemba don't need no ballhandler beside him. Sure another ballhandler and shooter would be helpful but Kemba need a player that could be a star next to him. Kemba need a player on the team that might could be better than him and that damn sure ain't no Stauskas.

If you're expecting anyone picked at 9 to turn out better than Kemba you're setting yourself up for disappointment (and still throughout this conversation ignore Stauskas skills that impact the whole team and every player outside his own stat sheet).

I'm not ignoring Stauskas' skills. You're overrating his skills. You make it seem like he's some type of PG in a SG body when in reality his assist numbers are typical for a SG with high usage as he had.

You definitely ignored his skills and you're still ignoring his assist/turnover ratio, it was the same as Kemba's in 2014.

[MasterIchiro]

My point is you're not going to find a shooter in this draft like Stauskas with PG experience, handles and playmaking ability.

[catch20two]

My point is you're not going to find a shooter in this draft like Stauskas with PG experience, handles and playmaking ability.

We could sign or trade for Marco Bellineli and it would be about the same since you're so pro-Spurs.

[JDR720]

you can never have to many shooters and passers, its even better when you can get a player that can do both

[Liver_Pooty]

Stauskas will never be a PG, so thats irrelevant.

[MasterIchiro]

My point is you're not going to find a shooter in this draft like Stauskas with PG experience, handles and playmaking ability.

We could sign or trade for Marco Bellineli and it would be about the same since you're so pro-Spurs.

I guess you're done talking corny about Redick then, eh?

[JMAC3]

I do not think the argument for Stauskas as a playmaker is because of his numbers. To me it is more about the type of offense he played in and the role he took in it. A lot of screen and roll actions, which is a lot of the NBA game. Having a two guard who can play effectively in these situations makes an offense more dangerous.

As of now, we can not ever use Hendo in this type of way. This would allow Kemba to play off the ball more, which would be nice because it makes our offense more diverse.

Also, its the type of passes Stauskas is capable of making, watching his highlights his vision is really good when getting into the paint. He did not run the point guard exclusively for Michigan this year either so 4 assists is not bad, especially for college. Michigan also had Levert and a freshman pg who played major minutes on the ball as well.

Staukas has the ability to make a Ginobili effect on our offense.

[MasterIchiro]

Here's a comparison. Bradley Beal. Can Stauskas be a 40% shooter from 3 but superior playmaker to Bradley Beal?

Yup.

I think you have to look at the whole back court and how much more dangerous a team is with 2 ball handlers and playmakers in the back court.

Kemba-Stauskas will rival Wall-Beal and that's an emerging backcourt with the elite backcourts in the NBA.

[catch20two]

My point is you're not going to find a shooter in this draft like Stauskas with PG experience, handles and playmaking ability.

We could sign or trade for Marco Bellineli and it would be about the same since you're so pro-Spurs.

I guess you're done talking corny about Redick then, eh?

Redick is the type of player Stauskas will be. If better, only slightly because he can dribble a little better and dunk every here and there. Find me Redick's rookie per 36 and I promise Stauskas will have the same per 36 his rookie season from the points to the assist to the rebounds.

[MasterIchiro]

We could sign or trade for Marco Bellineli and it would be about the same since you're so pro-Spurs.

I guess you're done talking corny about Redick then, eh?

Redick is the type of player Stauskas will be. If better, only slightly because he can dribble a little better and dunk every here and there. Find me Redick's rookie per 36 and I promise Stauskas will have the same per 36 his rookie season from the points to the assist to the rebounds.

Oh so you want to go back to talking about Redick again. Sucky comparison man. Move on. I am.

[catch20two]

I do not think the argument for Stauskas as a playmaker is because of his numbers. To me it is more about the type of offense he played in and the role he took in it. A lot of screen and roll actions, which is a lot of the NBA game. Having a two guard who can play effectively in these situations makes an offense more dangerous.

As of now, we can not ever use Hendo in this type of way. This would allow Kemba to play off the ball more, which would be nice because it makes our offense more diverse.

Also, its the type of passes Stauskas is capable of making, watching his highlights his vision is really good when getting into the paint. He did not run the point guard exclusively for Michigan this year either so 4 assists is not bad, especially for college. Michigan also had Levert and a freshman pg who played major minutes on the ball as well.

Staukas has the ability to make a Ginobili effect on our offense.

Stauskas was Michigan's PG. Derrick Walton is trash. Caris Levert isn't no playmaker. Stauskas led the team in assist and he had the ball in his hands a ton. He might've been the SG on paper but he was the PG.

[catch20two]

I guess you're done talking corny about Redick then, eh?

Redick is the type of player Stauskas will be. If better, only slightly because he can dribble a little better and dunk every here and there. Find me Redick's rookie per 36 and I promise Stauskas will have the same per 36 his rookie season from the points to the assist to the rebounds.

Oh so you want to go back to talking about Redick again. Sucky comparison man. Move on. I am.

Everybody compare him to Redick. Not just me. He's placed between Klay and Redick as far as comparisons go. Why people try to act like Redick can't dribble at all now that he's just a average NBA player to boost up their pick.

[catch20two]

I don't want no Stauskas anymore. The more I analyze him the more he dulls on me overall. His efficiency numbers are the only thing that impressed me. We ain't drafting him anyway. We're taking Harris.

[Eoghan]

Here's a comparison. Bradley Beal. Can Stauskas be a 40% shooter from 3 but superior playmaker to Bradley Beal?

Nope. Stauskas is still Canadian, your argument is invalid.