Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[RealHusky]

The writing is on the wall, guys. The emergence of Lamb and the extension probably mean no Lin in Charlotte next season especially if they can resign Batum. With Batum, MKG, Kemba and Lamb, you have four perimeter guys needing 120 mins at least. Keeping Lin won't make sense for either side.

This season could still be a success for both sides though. It is going to be a success for the team anyway because of the bargain they got.

I think most Lin fans just wish Hornets told him the truth before he signed here. He has been lied to which is not cool. He played more on Houston and LA. Houston with Lin was a better team than Hornets now. He was told he will play big minutes and he is being treated much worse.

The funny thing is Kemba is a SG in a PG's body. Lin is the much better PG of the two but Kemba is getting 35 mins a game while Lin is getting 20 regardless how well Lin is playing. Kemba at 29 while Lin at 26 at PG would be ideal but that's not happening.

[Roy Tarpley]

The writing is on the wall, guys. The emergence of Lamb and the extension probably mean no Lin in Charlotte next season especially if they can resign Batum. With Batum, MKG, Kemba and Lamb, you have four perimeter guys needing 120 mins at least. Keeping Lin won't make sense for either side.

This season could still be a success for both sides though. It is going to be a success for the team anyway because of the bargain they got.

I think most Lin fans just wish Hornets told him the truth before he signed here. He has been lied to which is not cool. He played more on Houston and LA. Houston with Lin was a better team than Hornets now. He was told he will play big minutes and he is being treated much worse.

The funny thing is Kemba is a SG in a PG's body. Lin is the much better PG of the two but Kemba is getting 35 mins a game which Lin is getting 20 even when he plays much better. Kemba at 29 while Lin at 26 at PG would be ideal but that's not happening.

Whoa. There's no evidence that Lin "has been lied" to. Also, this year, the stats indicate that Kemba is a lot better than Lin.

Let's not exaggerate or make unsubstantiated claims, it undermines other arguments that are actually legitimate.

[yosemiteben]

I think most Lin fans just wish Hornets told him the truth before he signed here. He has been lied to which is not cool.

That's like saying Lin lied because he said he'd shoot above 30% from three. It's something he'd never say, and even if he did it's too early to assume he won't get up to that level for the season.

[Mystical Apples]

Horrible misuse of Lin's talent tonight. Lin played really good today and only got 20 mins. Kemba went 6 for 16 and got 35. I think coach gonna stick with guys on long term contract whether team win or lose. Lin seriously need to consider his options soon of he can since his talent is completely wasted on the team in crunch time.

That makes 0 sense considering 4 guys on expiring contracts played as much or more than Lin, and 3 guys in the rotation with longer deals played less.

[lin is ok]

Horrible misuse of Lin's talent tonight. Lin played really good today and only got 20 mins. Kemba went 6 for 16 and got 35. I think coach gonna stick with guys on long term contract whether team win or lose. Lin seriously need to consider his options soon of he can since his talent is completely wasted on the team in crunch time.

That makes 0 sense considering 4 guys on expiring contracts played as much or more than Lin, and 3 guys in the rotation with longer deals played less.

look the other way people. yea who cares that we lost a winnable game, lin screwed his role he deserved to be benched, he is not good enough.

[amcoolio]

The writing is on the wall, guys. The emergence of Lamb and the extension probably mean no Lin in Charlotte next season especially if they can resign Batum. With Batum, MKG, Kemba and Lamb, you have four perimeter guys needing 120 mins at least. Keeping Lin won't make sense for either side.

This season could still be a success for both sides though. It is going to be a success for the team anyway because of the bargain they got.

I think most Lin fans just wish Hornets told him the truth before he signed here. He has been lied to which is not cool. He played more on Houston and LA. Houston with Lin was a better team than Hornets now. He was told he will play big minutes and he is being treated much worse.

The funny thing is Kemba is a SG in a PG's body. Lin is the much better PG of the two but Kemba is getting 35 mins a game while Lin is getting 20 regardless how well Lin is playing. Kemba at 29 while Lin at 26 at PG would be ideal but that's not happening.

Lin nearly hit 30 minutes in 4 out of the last 6 games. If Lin plays better, he will get rewarded. Plain and simple. You need to chill out.

It's also a long season and the Hornets appear to be a playoff team. There will be stretches Kemba and Lin get the same minutes. This isn't the 00's NBA anymore where the starters need to play 40 minutes to win. The Hornets 2nd unit is just as good as its 1st, and that is why we are over .500. Aside from that bad 6 minute stretch against the Spurs (which Lin was a part of I believe) we are consistently strong from start to finish. Thats WAY more valuable than force feeding Lin minutes in the starting lineup to satisfy a bunch of diehard linsanity fans.

[lin is ok]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAqgr8hQN8M

[leeramundo]

The writing is on the wall, guys. The emergence of Lamb and the extension probably mean no Lin in Charlotte next season especially if they can resign Batum. With Batum, MKG, Kemba and Lamb, you have four perimeter guys needing 120 mins at least. Keeping Lin won't make sense for either side.

This season could still be a success for both sides though. It is going to be a success for the team anyway because of the bargain they got.

I think most Lin fans just wish Hornets told him the truth before he signed here. He has been lied to which is not cool. He played more on Houston and LA. Houston with Lin was a better team than Hornets now. He was told he will play big minutes and he is being treated much worse.

The funny thing is Kemba is a SG in a PG's body. Lin is the much better PG of the two but Kemba is getting 35 mins a game while Lin is getting 20 regardless how well Lin is playing. Kemba at 29 while Lin at 26 at PG would be ideal but that's not happening.

First I don't know where you got your info but I'm not aware of this promise that they made.
Second I do think Jeremy's a better pg but I'm pretty sure Kembas assist/TO ratio is actually better so far. So just wait until that changes to complain about that.

Lin's fine here in Charlotte. Maybe cliff made the wrong decision tonight in hindsight, but he's been geberally good to lin in terms if testing him late in tight games, and I'm saying this as a Lin fan.

[kinein]

The writing is on the wall, guys. The emergence of Lamb and the extension probably mean no Lin in Charlotte next season especially if they can resign Batum. With Batum, MKG, Kemba and Lamb, you have four perimeter guys needing 120 mins at least. Keeping Lin won't make sense for either side.

This season could still be a success for both sides though. It is going to be a success for the team anyway because of the bargain they got.

I think most Lin fans just wish Hornets told him the truth before he signed here. He has been lied to which is not cool. He played more on Houston and LA. Houston with Lin was a better team than Hornets now. He was told he will play big minutes and he is being treated much worse.

The funny thing is Kemba is a SG in a PG's body. Lin is the much better PG of the two but Kemba is getting 35 mins a game while Lin is getting 20 regardless how well Lin is playing. Kemba at 29 while Lin at 26 at PG would be ideal but that's not happening.

1. JUST NO.

This isnt about Lin taking Kemba's minutes. Kembas got a better assist/to ratio.

2. Lin is better contributing pts as a scorer than PG. scorer/playmaker/teammate w rebounds, additional assists, blocks, steals etc.

Lin should be playing WITH Kemba more. Stop making this about their minutes as if Kemba needs to play less for Lin to get more.

[SWedd523]

At first I thought it was just some folks were Lin fans and not Hornets fans, which is okay..ish I guess.

But what I'm starting to realize is that there are (quite) a few guys who are Lin fan and not basketball fans. Seeing people make such irrational statements tells me there is an ignorance with how things work in the "real world NBA" that they simply cannot reconcile with the fact that Lin is not the best player in the league, he's not the best player on the team, and he's not the best PG on the team. He's a backup PG. His minutes will fluctuate just like every other backup on the team.

The entertainment level remains high though, which is always a plus

[13th Man]

Lin nearly hit 30 minutes in 4 out of the last 6 games. If Lin plays better, he will get rewarded. Plain and simple. You need to chill out.

There will be stretches Kemba and Lin get the same minutes.

Lin only played heavy minutes in those games because PJ was hurt. If MKG comes back, Lin will see even less minutes. If you look at the games where everybody is healthy, Lin is averaging around 20 mins/game which is 5 minutes less than his Lakers year.

Lin will never get the same minutes as Kemba. We don't expect him to but Kemba 35 and Lin 20? C'mon... This is what happens when Lin enters the game in the 2nd quarter on some nights (2 min mark 1stQ on most) and leaves at the 7 minute mark, Kemba plays 19 minutes in the half while Lin plays 7.

Also, the substitution patterns is very inconsistent from game to game. One day he closes out the half, the next he closes out the game, sometimes he does both or neither. This is not just happening to Lin as it obviously affects other players as well but makes no sense, how are you supposed to settle into a role when it's all over the place? The only guys with consistent roles on this team is Kemba, Batum and Marvin. The rest of the team are playing musical chairs on a nightly basis.

[yosemiteben]

If MKG comes back, Lin will see even less minutes.

And he should. MKG has a far greater impact on the game than what we've seen from Lin so far.

Also, the substitution patterns is very inconsistent from game to game. One day he closes out the half, the next he closes out the game, sometimes he does both or neither. This is not just happening to Lin as it obviously affects other players as well but makes no sense, how are you supposed to settle into a role when it's all over the place? The only guys with consistent roles on this team is Kemba, Batum and Marvin.

This is kind of an ironic complaint because the big knock on Cliff his first two years was that he was too rigid with his rotations. Now that he's getting more creative, Hornets fans are thrilled to see more in game adjustments.

[Roy Tarpley]

If MKG comes back, Lin will see even less minutes.

And he should. MKG has a far greater impact on the game than what we've seen from Lin so far.

Also, the substitution patterns is very inconsistent from game to game. One day he closes out the half, the next he closes out the game, sometimes he does both or neither. This is not just happening to Lin as it obviously affects other players as well but makes no sense, how are you supposed to settle into a role when it's all over the place? The only guys with consistent roles on this team is Kemba, Batum and Marvin.

This is kind of an ironic complaint because the big knock on Cliff his first two years was that he was too rigid with his rotations. Now that he's getting more creative, Hornets fans are thrilled to see more in game adjustments.

Jordan called Lin the team's "biggest acquisition". Clifford had a mindmeld with Lin in the off-season, and got an earful of praise about Lin from D'Antoni. Not sure what's going on. I really hope that Clifford is a long-term strategic genius who is trying out different combinations earlier in the year to get the right permutation for later in the year.

[13th Man]

If MKG comes back, Lin will see even less minutes.

And he should. MKG has a far greater impact on the game than what we've seen from Lin so far.

Fair enough but goes to show that this team may not be the best fit for Lin after all, contradicting Lin's initial assessment. Remember Charlotte wasn't even on Lin's radar during FA so Clifford must've done some impressive selling to get him to come here.

This is kind of an ironic complaint because the big knock on Cliff his first two years was that he was too rigid with his rotations. Now that he's getting more creative, Hornets fans are thrilled to see more in game adjustments.

We'll see if it makes sense because the good teams that I see, the player's roles are more established. I wonder if the players are thrilled with the extra creativity and whether it impacts their play.

[yosemiteben]

If MKG comes back, Lin will see even less minutes.

And he should. MKG has a far greater impact on the game than what we've seen from Lin so far.

Fair enough but goes to show that this team may not be the best fit for Lin after all, contradicting Lin's initial assessment. Remember Charlotte wasn't even on Lin's radar during FA so Clifford must've done some impressive selling to get him to come here.

I'm sure Cliff did not expect both Marv and Lamb to come out the gates so impressively, but even with that 30 MPG was never a realistic PT goal. Since before preseason Hornets fans who like Lin (myself included) were saying 22 - 25 MPG was much more likely.

Cliff is going to and should play the group that he thinks puts us in the best position to win, and I'm sure he told Lin that when they met in the summer. If Lin goes off he can force his way to more minutes, but we have enough depth that he's not going to be force fed 30 MPG.

[RealHusky]

The writing is on the wall, guys. The emergence of Lamb and the extension probably mean no Lin in Charlotte next season especially if they can resign Batum. With Batum, MKG, Kemba and Lamb, you have four perimeter guys needing 120 mins at least. Keeping Lin won't make sense for either

I would like to understand what game you are watching. For one, Lin is the better passer and defender than Kemba. Half the time Lin is playing SG on the court when he is sitting in the corner where he does not touch the ball. Kemba is the full time pg and he is more of an SG guard who has the green light to take 16 shots a game. Naturally, his assist/TO ration is higher. Do you honestly believe Lin's assist/TO won't be better than Kemba if Lin played same amount of minutes as Kemba at PG?

Is it that much to ask to split pg minutes between Kemba/Lin like last night to 29/26 or 30/25? Lastly, NBA players need rhythm to thrive and they need more defined roles. The way Clifford give out minutes are only good for Batum, Kemba, and Williams. I think other players can put up with it when winning. Just wait until they are losing and see what happens. I doubt Lin signed up for this. Clifford must did a hellva selling job on Lin before he signed up.

[Braggins]

Kemba is averaging more assists per game, per 36 minutes, per 100 possessions, and he has a higher assist % and assist/TO ratio. Lin is shooting worse percentages and is behind Kemba in virtually every statistical category. Your guys delusions about Lin are really starting to wear thin. I'm a Lin fan and think he should get more minutes, but some of you guys need to accept reality.

[bws94]

At first I thought it was just some folks were Lin fans and not Hornets fans, which is okay..ish I guess.

But what I'm starting to realize is that there are (quite) a few guys who are Lin fan and not basketball fans. Seeing people make such irrational statements tells me there is an ignorance with how things work in the "real world NBA" that they simply cannot reconcile with the fact that Lin is not the best player in the league, he's not the best player on the team, and he's not the best PG on the team. He's a backup PG. His minutes will fluctuate just like every other backup on the team.

The entertainment level remains high though, which is always a plus

Yes, I'm here as an NBA fan who follows Lin since the NY run, not someone who started watching basketball only because of Lin. And maybe that's what some of these ardent fans are, people who don't really understand basketball. I know Lin has some really good qualities to his game but he also has some that may get him less playing time and not have him ever become a starter. When I bring this up I'm told I'm not a real Lin fan by folks that aren't that familiar with the NBA so everything is Lin-centric to them and not Lin in the context of the NBA, his team, and what is the norm for a player of his skills and what team he's on.

So that's what Real GM and other forums have to deal with.

I think Lin comes in too late and should get 26-28 minutes based on what I've seen of him in many seasons. I'm very familiar with his quirks and his Jekyll/Hyde character that may appear from game to game and in one game. I thought he would have made a difference tonight. I think he'll be the closer because he's contributed with the other closers when he was on more than anyone else who isn't Batum and Kemba. He may close more games than Al does when all is said and done.

I'll say this for Lin. He is seen as representing parts of Asia. Although Lin is an American playing for the NBA, he's seen as a pioneer and has a huge following abroad. In that way he's unlike other NBA players.

[Roy Tarpley]

Kemba is averaging more assists per game, per 36 minutes, per 100 possessions, and he has a higher assist % and assist/TO ratio. Lin is shooting worse percentages and is behind Kemba in virtually every statistical category. Your guys delusions about Lin are really starting to wear thin. I'm a Lin fan and think he should get more minutes, but some of you guys need to accept reality.

Careful with the "your guys" as if there is a monolithic perspective. I think you meant "your delusion", in which case, carry on.

[bws94]

I would like to understand what game you are watching. For one, Lin is the better passer and defender than Kemba. Half the time Lin is playing SG on the court when he is sitting in the corner where he does not touch the ball. Kemba is the full time pg and he is more of an SG guard who has the green light to take 16 shots a game. Naturally, his assist/TO ration is higher. Do you honestly believe Lin's assist/TO won't be better than Kemba if Lin played same amount of minutes as Kemba at PG?

Is it that much to ask to split pg minutes between Kemba/Lin like last night to 29/26 or 30/25? Lastly, NBA players need rhythm to thrive and they need more defined roles. The way Clifford give out minutes are only good for Batum, Kemba, and Williams. I think other players can put up with it when winning. Just wait until they are losing and see what happens. I doubt Lin signed up for this. Clifford must did a hellva selling job on Lin before he signed up.

Kemba is the far better ball handler and he seems more decisive and clean about getting to his spots and making plays. He also can get his shot and makes enough of them and he's clutch. He hustles on defense and keeps his man in front of him a little better than Lin does. When Lin plays PG he can get slow and deliberate and still hasn't proven he can really handle on-the-ball pressure that well. Lin also at times, and we saw it in last night's game, will make a string of turnovers by forcing the issue. I like Lin's court vision, some of his passes, and such, but it isn't always there. He has holes in his game as a PG and really never fully developed as an NBA PG.

Lin can positively impact a game with his presence and he should be on the court more in my opinion. But, Kemba is a solid PG, Lin is a something else, a kind of combo energy guy that at times can turn the momentum in a game. That's why he's used off the bench in my opinion. But, Clifford wants to use Lin and Kemba and that combo hasn't really totally worked yet. I think it sill may be a work in progress and Lin's minutes may increase.