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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#541 » by catch20two » Thu Feb 1, 2018 10:16 pm

Braggins wrote:If we trade Monk for Brogdon, remember that we simply could have drafted Brogdon had we not traded our pick for Marco Belinelli...

But if we had drafted Brogdon we never would’ve seen how good he could be because Clifford never would’ve gave him the opportunity. I remember Clifford making a statement about there not being any player available in that draft that could step in and play quality minutes. Ha!
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#542 » by Marino » Fri Feb 2, 2018 1:48 am

I don’t believe in trading Monk. It would be the biggest waste of a first round pick ever. And shows that Clifford continues to not know how to develop young players.


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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#543 » by Eoghan » Fri Feb 2, 2018 1:52 am

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Braggins wrote:If we trade Monk for Brogdon, remember that we simply could have drafted Brogdon had we not traded our pick for Marco Belinelli...

But if we had drafted Brogdon we never would’ve seen how good he could be because Clifford never would’ve gave him the opportunity. I remember Clifford making a statement about there not being any player available in that draft that could step in and play quality minutes. Ha!

Clifford would've benched rookie MJ in favor of Quintin Dailey and Rod Higgins.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#544 » by catch20two » Fri Feb 2, 2018 2:01 am

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Braggins wrote:If we trade Monk for Brogdon, remember that we simply could have drafted Brogdon had we not traded our pick for Marco Belinelli...

But if we had drafted Brogdon we never would’ve seen how good he could be because Clifford never would’ve gave him the opportunity. I remember Clifford making a statement about there not being any player available in that draft that could step in and play quality minutes. Ha!

Clifford would've benched rookie MJ in favor of Quintin Dailey and Rod Higgins.

As evidenced by the fact that we don’t have a rookie that was drafted during the Clifford era that starts. Both Kemba and MKG were starting before Clifford came on board and Zeller only ended up starting over Big Al because of injuries.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#545 » by 316Hornets » Fri Feb 2, 2018 2:16 am

Marino wrote:I don’t believe in trading Monk. It would be the biggest waste of a first round pick ever. And shows that Clifford continues to not know how to develop young players.


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Agreed, there is something fundamentally wrong with our player scouting/development if we give up on another rookie this early in his contract like we did with Vonleh. There is no way this team will ever be able to compete if this is the way we handle drafting and development. I'd boycott the team and not watch another game if we trade Monk this season.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#546 » by Robot Rock » Fri Feb 2, 2018 4:03 am

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Marino wrote:I don’t believe in trading Monk. It would be the biggest waste of a first round pick ever. And shows that Clifford continues to not know how to develop young players.


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Agreed, there is something fundamentally wrong with our player scouting/development if we give up on another rookie this early in his contract like we did with Vonleh. There is no way this team will ever be able to compete if this is the way we handle drafting and development. I'd boycott the team and not watch another game if we trade Monk this season.


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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#547 » by Braggins » Fri Feb 2, 2018 12:52 pm

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Marino wrote:I don’t believe in trading Monk. It would be the biggest waste of a first round pick ever. And shows that Clifford continues to not know how to develop young players.


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Agreed, there is something fundamentally wrong with our player scouting/development if we give up on another rookie this early in his contract like we did with Vonleh. There is no way this team will ever be able to compete if this is the way we handle drafting and development. I'd boycott the team and not watch another game if we trade Monk this season.


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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#548 » by Hornet Mania » Fri Feb 2, 2018 2:40 pm

Brogdon got hurt last night, hopefully that saves us from ourselves....oh, who am I kiddin. Cliff saw that game and immediately called Cho "Wesley Matthews is still available!!! All these coaches I talk to have no problem with trading vets for lottery picks, it's like they have no idea how valuable these guys are!"
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#549 » by catch20two » Fri Feb 2, 2018 2:48 pm

Hornet Mania wrote:Brogdon got hurt last night, hopefully that saves us from ourselves....oh, who am I kiddin. Cliff saw that game and immediately called Cho "Wesley Matthews is still available!!! All these coaches I talk to have no problem with trading vets for lottery picks, it's like they have no idea how valuable these guys are!"

I’ve been fearing the Wesley Matthews deal for a while now. He just haven’t been the same player since the torn achilles.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#550 » by dre4bobcats » Wed Feb 7, 2018 7:05 pm

This was the most excited I've ever been about a Hornets/bobcats draft pick since they came back to charlotte....And they dont play him....Worse, they play MCW over him smh lol....
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#551 » by predators » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:13 pm

TBH , I think his game just might not translate to the NBA. He is a really really small two guard, and everyone he reminds me of is significantly bigger (longer wingspan) than he is. (Jamal Crawford, Devin Booker.) I think he was way more of a project than the majority of us thought.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#552 » by fatlever » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:42 pm

needs to spend 2 years locked in weightroom, might be decent rotation plsyer by end of rookie deal, but i figure he'll get traded before then.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#553 » by Diop » Thu Feb 8, 2018 11:43 pm

predators wrote:TBH , I think his game just might not translate to the NBA. He is a really really small two guard, and everyone he reminds me of is significantly bigger (longer wingspan) than he is. (Jamal Crawford, Devin Booker.) I think he was way more of a project than the majority of us thought.

he still reminds me of Ben Gordon, he might be ok in the right situation.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#554 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Fri Feb 9, 2018 1:08 am

It's hard to tell with Monk. I'm tempted to say that what he really needed was to have landed on a team with a supportive coach or on a bad team where he could just play. Clearly Charlotte was the wrong situation for him this year.

Not really sure how much of this was on him though. I haven't liked his body language on the bench. I have no idea how hard he is working. Not sure if he could have done things differently over the summer in spite of the ankle.
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Post#555 » by DY_nasty » Fri Feb 9, 2018 1:40 am

i don't think strength is the issue so much as his handle and willingness to play within a system. early on in the year i remember cody actually shouting at him to cut once and... I don't remember Cody ever having to yell at anyone lol

I'd be more willing to say that our rookies that don't play are trash IF they don't disappear into nothing once they leave here. JT didn't deserve a second chance, PJ Hairston is still in freefall, Vonleh got traded for an imaginary friend, we were right to not even look at anyone in the draft where we traded for Beli

Its possible that Clifford's development is mediocre AND our drafting straight up sucks. I'm not sure what to make of Monk. He can score, but I'm not sure what makes him unplayable compared to how Lamb looked when he first got here.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#556 » by Robot Rock » Fri Feb 9, 2018 4:22 am

He had no offseason training or summer league. That's what made him different.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#557 » by arthy704 » Fri Feb 9, 2018 6:17 am

Monk needs to play this year with our season looking like another 9th seed fight to get him up to speed and get on track with game flow. Just looking at him on the bench he looks like hes turning into a skeleton
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Post#558 » by Lwcasu » Fri Feb 9, 2018 6:55 am

Yeah, I don't understand why they didn't really at least send him to the G-League (one game doesn't count). And, there is zero point, no pun intended, to let him play 2 minutes at the end of games. He needs to get in rhythm. Unfortunately, at this point, I think we'll continue to fight for that elusive last spot for the next month before even considering going with the young guys, even though realistically we need to go ahead and give the young guys playing time. This season is a wash and we aren't making the playoffs.
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#559 » by Diop » Fri Feb 9, 2018 7:07 am

Lwcasu wrote:Yeah, I don't understand why they didn't really at least send him to the G-League (one game doesn't count). And, there is zero point, no pun intended, to let him play 2 minutes at the end of games. He needs to get in rhythm. Unfortunately, at this point, I think we'll continue to fight for that elusive last spot for the next month before even considering going with the young guys, even though realistically we need to go ahead and give the young guys playing time. This season is a wash and we aren't making the playoffs.

agreed. why isn't he playing g league? tell the coach to not let him shoot 50 times a game and to develop other parts of his game.

if there is a reason like attitude or he doesn't want to, then we should've traded him. I really dont know what we are doing with him now.

his towel waving skills are really subpar
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Re: We Want the Monk: The Malik Monk Thread 

Post#560 » by DY_nasty » Fri Feb 9, 2018 8:55 am

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Lwcasu wrote:Yeah, I don't understand why they didn't really at least send him to the G-League (one game doesn't count). And, there is zero point, no pun intended, to let him play 2 minutes at the end of games. He needs to get in rhythm. Unfortunately, at this point, I think we'll continue to fight for that elusive last spot for the next month before even considering going with the young guys, even though realistically we need to go ahead and give the young guys playing time. This season is a wash and we aren't making the playoffs.

agreed. why isn't he playing g league? tell the coach to not let him shoot 50 times a game and to develop other parts of his game.

if there is a reason like attitude or he doesn't want to, then we should've traded him. I really dont know what we are doing with him now.

his towel waving skills are really subpar

a real possibility is that they want him close to the network of players/coaches on the team - and that could be for a ton of reasons

he's a really, really young player. there's all sorts of reasons to keep him at arm's length. going to the g-league with the backups may not be what he needs if his biggest hurdles are adapting to the general off the court workload

it also would explain why he played early in the season and why he isn't now.

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