Fake Trade Thread #3

[Kukoc-Lauri]

Hi to the Hornets fans. I am Bulls fan, but i want Hornets to make playoffs because Jordan and we have two great kids from NC White and Williams. My fake trade w/w for both teams Terry Rozier/Cody Zeller for Lou Williams and Ivica Zubac. Hornets than pass Lou Will to Philadelphia for Isiah Joe, Paul Reed and future second round pick.

[HornetJail]

Hi to the Hornets fans. I am Bulls fan, but i want Hornets to make playoffs because Jordan and we have two great kids from NC White and Williams. My fake trade w/w for both teams Terry Rozier/Cody Zeller for Lou Williams and Ivica Zubac. Hornets than pass Lou Will to Philadelphia for Isiah Joe, Paul Reed and future second round pick.

Easy yes from me, even if the prospects from Philly didn't come over. I'm not sure how the salaries would work though. Rozier and Cody make like $34M combined

[amcoolio]

If we had a center that could shoot but could do the things Cody does we'd be a lot better

[bwgood77]

Not sure if mentioned, but I was thinking of teams OKC could trade Horford too, and I thought maybe a Rozier/Monk or Rozier/Zeller trade for Horford would make sense. I think a Ball/Graham/Hayward/PJ/Horford lineup could be interesting.

[HornetJail]

Not sure if mentioned, but I was thinking of teams OKC could trade Horford too, and I thought maybe a Rozier/Monk or Rozier/Zeller trade for Horford would make sense. I think a Ball/Graham/Hayward/PJ/Horford lineup could be interesting.

not without picks attached to Horford it wouldn't

[Hornet Mania]

Not sure if mentioned, but I was thinking of teams OKC could trade Horford too, and I thought maybe a Rozier/Monk or Rozier/Zeller trade for Horford would make sense. I think a Ball/Graham/Hayward/PJ/Horford lineup could be interesting.

I think the problem with acquiring a large veteran contract like Horford (aside from the fact he may be kinda washed) is that it might prevent Charlotte from retaining Graham if he has another great season. I'd much rather save the cash just in case, we don't want to lose two excellent homegrown PGs in three seasons. Graham is also a good fit with Ball.

[bwgood77]

Not sure if mentioned, but I was thinking of teams OKC could trade Horford too, and I thought maybe a Rozier/Monk or Rozier/Zeller trade for Horford would make sense. I think a Ball/Graham/Hayward/PJ/Horford lineup could be interesting.

not without picks attached to Horford it wouldn't

I doubt that would happen. I guess it just depends on how important playoffs are vs cap space..or whatever flexibility you have, unless you really like Rozier at his money with Graham and Ball here.

I don't think the Horford contract is worst than Rozier's, or maybe Hayward's for that matter.

[HornetJail]

Not sure if mentioned, but I was thinking of teams OKC could trade Horford too, and I thought maybe a Rozier/Monk or Rozier/Zeller trade for Horford would make sense. I think a Ball/Graham/Hayward/PJ/Horford lineup could be interesting.

not without picks attached to Horford it wouldn't

I doubt that would happen. I guess it just depends on how important playoffs are vs cap space..or whatever flexibility you have, unless you really like Rozier at his money with Graham and Ball here.

I don't think the Horford contract is worst than Rozier's, or maybe Hayward's for that matter.

Well I didn't want the Hayward contract, and I certainly wouldn't want to double down and take on 3/$80M on a guy in his mid 30s and looked fairly washed. This sounds like something Mitch would do but it's a horrible asset move that caps us out for three years. Rozier should be moveable. I do want him gone but not for a longer, worse contract.

[bwgood77]

Not sure if mentioned, but I was thinking of teams OKC could trade Horford too, and I thought maybe a Rozier/Monk or Rozier/Zeller trade for Horford would make sense. I think a Ball/Graham/Hayward/PJ/Horford lineup could be interesting.

I think the problem with acquiring a large veteran contract like Horford (aside from the fact he may be kinda washed) is that it might prevent Charlotte from retaining Graham if he has another great season. I'd much rather save the cash just in case, we don't want to lose two excellent homegrown PGs in three seasons. Graham is also a good fit with Ball.

Your cap sheet looks pretty clean from what I can tell, unless you plan on spending a lot of money to retain Zeller next summer. I used to think he was declining, but then he kind of bounced back, kind of like Chris Paul. HIs PPG and RPG went down last year due to the fit in Philly, but he still can spread the floor, defend, rebound and averages like 4 apg, which really helps a young team out.

I guess I don't know your plans at C, unless you want to keep Zeller around. I think Horford is quite a bit better.

[bwgood77]

not without picks attached to Horford it wouldn't

I doubt that would happen. I guess it just depends on how important playoffs are vs cap space..or whatever flexibility you have, unless you really like Rozier at his money with Graham and Ball here.

I don't think the Horford contract is worst than Rozier's, or maybe Hayward's for that matter.

Well I didn't want the Hayward contract, and I certainly wouldn't want to double down and take on 3/$80M on a guy in his mid 30s and looked fairly washed. This sounds like something Mitch would do but it's a horrible asset move that caps us out for three years. Rozier should be moveable. I do want him gone but not for a longer, worse contract.

I guess that makes sense if I was in your shoes. It's just tough to find good players and I think a good mix of solid vets and young guys helps the young guys.

[HornetJail]

Not sure if mentioned, but I was thinking of teams OKC could trade Horford too, and I thought maybe a Rozier/Monk or Rozier/Zeller trade for Horford would make sense. I think a Ball/Graham/Hayward/PJ/Horford lineup could be interesting.

I think the problem with acquiring a large veteran contract like Horford (aside from the fact he may be kinda washed) is that it might prevent Charlotte from retaining Graham if he has another great season. I'd much rather save the cash just in case, we don't want to lose two excellent homegrown PGs in three seasons. Graham is also a good fit with Ball.

Your cap sheet looks pretty clean from what I can tell, unless you plan on spending a lot of money to retain Zeller next summer. I used to think he was declining, but then he kind of bounced back, kind of like Chris Paul. HIs PPG and RPG went down last year due to the fit in Philly, but he still can spread the floor, defend, rebound and averages like 4 apg, which really helps a young team out.

I guess I don't know your plans at C, unless you want to keep Zeller around. I think Horford is quite a bit better.

Graham is in line for a payday next summer. I'm thinking he'll cost $15-20M if he stays the course from last season, maybe more if he takes another jump. I agree Horford is better than Zeller, but by how much and for how long? I'm not convinced we even have a playoff squad this year or next with Hayward barring a leap towards stardom from one of our young guys (I'm not holding my breath). Horford maybe gets us the 8th seed instead of the 10th

[Rays Pompadour]

I think the problem with acquiring a large veteran contract like Horford (aside from the fact he may be kinda washed) is that it might prevent Charlotte from retaining Graham if he has another great season. I'd much rather save the cash just in case, we don't want to lose two excellent homegrown PGs in three seasons. Graham is also a good fit with Ball.

Your cap sheet looks pretty clean from what I can tell, unless you plan on spending a lot of money to retain Zeller next summer. I used to think he was declining, but then he kind of bounced back, kind of like Chris Paul. HIs PPG and RPG went down last year due to the fit in Philly, but he still can spread the floor, defend, rebound and averages like 4 apg, which really helps a young team out.

I guess I don't know your plans at C, unless you want to keep Zeller around. I think Horford is quite a bit better.

Graham is in line for a payday next summer. I'm thinking he'll cost $15-20M if he stays the course from last season, maybe more if he takes another jump. I agree Horford is better than Zeller, but by how much and for how long? I'm not convinced we even have a playoff squad this year or next with Hayward barring a leap towards stardom from one of our young guys (I'm not holding my breath). Horford maybe gets us the 8th seed instead of the 10th

I think you're right to highlight Graham. His is the cautionary tale of the successful 2nd round pick, which is why we saw Carey locked up for 4 years with more guaranteed money than ever offered before. Charlotte will have to walk the line of rewarding play and development against the value of the contract. If Graham gets a $15M contract, I believe he'll be hard to trade. The Hornets must consider risk with this player.

[Hornet Mania]

Not sure if mentioned, but I was thinking of teams OKC could trade Horford too, and I thought maybe a Rozier/Monk or Rozier/Zeller trade for Horford would make sense. I think a Ball/Graham/Hayward/PJ/Horford lineup could be interesting.

I think the problem with acquiring a large veteran contract like Horford (aside from the fact he may be kinda washed) is that it might prevent Charlotte from retaining Graham if he has another great season. I'd much rather save the cash just in case, we don't want to lose two excellent homegrown PGs in three seasons. Graham is also a good fit with Ball.

Your cap sheet looks pretty clean from what I can tell, unless you plan on spending a lot of money to retain Zeller next summer. I used to think he was declining, but then he kind of bounced back, kind of like Chris Paul. HIs PPG and RPG went down last year due to the fit in Philly, but he still can spread the floor, defend, rebound and averages like 4 apg, which really helps a young team out.

I guess I don't know your plans at C, unless you want to keep Zeller around. I think Horford is quite a bit better.

You're correct if the cap remains the same or rises, but I'm expecting a hefty drop due to pandemic troubles. The league will surely smooth it out over 3-5 seasons but a drop of $15-20 million next year is a real possibility even with some sort of smoothing plan. The NBA is bleeding revenue big time. Now isn't the time to get right up against the cap imo, the conservative move would be to hope for the best and plan for the worst.

However our front office has historically been pretty dumb when it comes to long-term salary planning so it wouldn't shock me if they're not taking these factors into account.

[bwgood77]

I think the problem with acquiring a large veteran contract like Horford (aside from the fact he may be kinda washed) is that it might prevent Charlotte from retaining Graham if he has another great season. I'd much rather save the cash just in case, we don't want to lose two excellent homegrown PGs in three seasons. Graham is also a good fit with Ball.

Your cap sheet looks pretty clean from what I can tell, unless you plan on spending a lot of money to retain Zeller next summer. I used to think he was declining, but then he kind of bounced back, kind of like Chris Paul. HIs PPG and RPG went down last year due to the fit in Philly, but he still can spread the floor, defend, rebound and averages like 4 apg, which really helps a young team out.

I guess I don't know your plans at C, unless you want to keep Zeller around. I think Horford is quite a bit better.

You're correct if the cap remains the same or rises, but I'm expecting a hefty drop due to pandemic troubles. The league will surely smooth it out over 3-5 seasons but a drop of $15-20 million next year is a real possibility even with some sort of smoothing plan. The NBA is bleeding revenue big time. Now isn't the time to get right up against the cap imo, the conservative move would be to hope for the best and plan for the worst.

However our front office has historically been pretty dumb when it comes to long-term salary planning so it wouldn't shock me if they're not taking these factors into account.

I thought they agreed to keep it flat for the foreseeable future, meaning they won't lower it the next couple of years but won't raise it after that either when it normally would raise, until it kind of evens out overall (how much they should have lowered it for 2 years = how much they should have raised it 2-3 years).

[Hornet Mania]

Your cap sheet looks pretty clean from what I can tell, unless you plan on spending a lot of money to retain Zeller next summer. I used to think he was declining, but then he kind of bounced back, kind of like Chris Paul. HIs PPG and RPG went down last year due to the fit in Philly, but he still can spread the floor, defend, rebound and averages like 4 apg, which really helps a young team out.

I guess I don't know your plans at C, unless you want to keep Zeller around. I think Horford is quite a bit better.

You're correct if the cap remains the same or rises, but I'm expecting a hefty drop due to pandemic troubles. The league will surely smooth it out over 3-5 seasons but a drop of $15-20 million next year is a real possibility even with some sort of smoothing plan. The NBA is bleeding revenue big time. Now isn't the time to get right up against the cap imo, the conservative move would be to hope for the best and plan for the worst.

However our front office has historically been pretty dumb when it comes to long-term salary planning so it wouldn't shock me if they're not taking these factors into account.

I thought they agreed to keep it flat for the foreseeable future, meaning they won't lower it the next couple of years but won't raise it after that either when it normally would raise, until it kind of evens out overall (how much they should have lowered it for 2 years = how much they should have raised it 2-3 years).

I hadn't heard that actually, but it sounds like a great solution.

[bwgood77]

You're correct if the cap remains the same or rises, but I'm expecting a hefty drop due to pandemic troubles. The league will surely smooth it out over 3-5 seasons but a drop of $15-20 million next year is a real possibility even with some sort of smoothing plan. The NBA is bleeding revenue big time. Now isn't the time to get right up against the cap imo, the conservative move would be to hope for the best and plan for the worst.

However our front office has historically been pretty dumb when it comes to long-term salary planning so it wouldn't shock me if they're not taking these factors into account.

I thought they agreed to keep it flat for the foreseeable future, meaning they won't lower it the next couple of years but won't raise it after that either when it normally would raise, until it kind of evens out overall (how much they should have lowered it for 2 years = how much they should have raised it 2-3 years).

I hadn't heard that actually, but it sounds like a great solution.

I think they decided that lowering it would basically penalize too many teams that had already planned out their future, and then it could also impact the tax, etc.

[Diop]

Not sure if mentioned, but I was thinking of teams OKC could trade Horford too, and I thought maybe a Rozier/Monk or Rozier/Zeller trade for Horford would make sense. I think a Ball/Graham/Hayward/PJ/Horford lineup could be interesting.

I entertained the idea to get out of batums contract, but now that we’re stretching it, I think there is zero chance.

[JMAC3]

Yeah Horford contract sucks, maybe if he plays well this year in OKC he might be worth dealing for. No way I am doing it now though after how bad he looked in Philly.

Way too much downside for not enough reward in my mind.

I also don't see the point in paying a center money unless he is a top 5 guy.

[vtime]

Horford’d last year isn’t guaranteed so it’s not as bad as most think, so he’s a 2022 expiring essentially. Play him this year then dangle him for a team that needs cap relief.

[vtime]

...A healthy Westbrook in the East is better than Hayward and whatever you do with the remaining 14 mil per year difference.

If people freaked out over the $9mil of dead cap generated from the Batum carry over there would be a complete meltdown at a $14mil gap being created.


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Rather pay 3yrs 144 mil for a guy with superstar ceiling instead of 4yrs 147 for Hayward with a borderline All Star potential and history of injury. Still happy with Hayward, there just better alternatives. Would’ve loved for Russ to mentor Lamelo as well.