Fake Trade Thread #7

[MasterIchiro]

If we're trading Melo, then Green is probably the best player we could potentially get back.

Agreed, I also think there's some truth in the reported interest in Jalen Green. If it's not LaMelo going out it's Miles. If Durant is traded to Houston I think Jalen Green will be coming here.

We should be rooting for Houston to land KD if Jalen Green is routed here.

Suns were linked to Miles the deadline when he was playing out his QO before his 3-year deal. So, not long ago.

[JMAC3]

Thinking the Pelicans trade up scenarios out of them jumping from 7 to 4 with Hornets.

2019 draft, Suns received Dario Saric and 11th pick for 6th pick. Saric was a 24 yr old former lottery pick averaging 12 ppg.
2018 draft, Philly received 16th pick and future Miami first for 10th pick.
2018 draft, Atlanta received 5th pick and future first for 3rd pick.
2017 draft, Boston received 3rd pick and future first for 1st pick.
2017 draft, Portland received 10th pick for 15th and 20th
2016 draft, Suns received 8th pick for 13th and 28th
2013 draft, Jazz got 9th pick for 14th and 21st

Based on these trades, I don't think 7 and 23 is enough to move up to 4.

[LofJ]

I'm getting the feeling that the organization is ready to move on from LaMelo and the Ball family has sensed that. And it's why they're suddenly making noise about him playing for the Clippers.

If we do move him this summer I think our best opportunity is to work with Phoenix and Houston as part of a Durant trade. We send LaMelo to Phoenix, KD goes to Houston, and Jalen Green plus Jabari Smith coming here.

If we do have plans in place to move him and have negotiated with suitors, we are far more likely to draft a PG. If it's Fears/Harper, we are 100% restarting the rebuild, which is much different than extending it.

Seems like a letdown. I've been watching Tyrese Haliburton and I think LaMelo is more skilled. Hali avoids contact and plays soft like LaMelo. Looks brittle. Doesn't get to the line much. He's been coached to share the ball so he's far better making his teammates better. And his team has a big trade addition in Siakam.

I would demand an absolute haul. I wouldn't relent on my demands even if I'm already decided about moving him in the near future.

We don't have to.

We definitely don't have to trade LaMelo. I'm not in love with the idea of moving him and not having a quality playmaker to setup Miller and whoever we draft next week. Ideally, we'd only move him if we acquired a replacement to build around like Harper. That would be the dream, to come out of this offseason with Harper and Miller to build around with a reshaped roster to give them the best chance to succeed.

That said realistically it's much more likely that Miles would be going out in any hypothetical trade for Jalen Green. We'll see one way or another really soon.

[JMAC3]

Thinking the Pelicans trade up scenarios out of them jumping from 7 to 4 with Hornets.

2019 draft, Suns received Dario Saric and 11th pick for 6th pick. Saric was a 24 yr old former lottery pick averaging 12 ppg.
2018 draft, Philly received 16th pick and future Miami first for 10th pick.
2018 draft, Atlanta received 5th pick and future first for 3rd pick.
2017 draft, Boston received 3rd pick and future first for 1st pick.
2017 draft, Portland received 10th pick for 15th and 20th
2016 draft, Suns received 8th pick for 13th and 28th
2013 draft, Jazz got 9th pick for 14th and 21st

Based on these trades, I don't think 7 and 23 is enough to move up to 4.

Here are the 3 trades that I think could make sense.
1.4th and Josh Green for Herb Jones and 7th.
2. 4th for 7th, 23rd and (Hawkins or Alvarado).
3. 4th for 7th and rights to swap our 1st with better of NOP and Bucks 1st.

[MasterIchiro]

Thinking the Pelicans trade up scenarios out of them jumping from 7 to 4 with Hornets.

2019 draft, Suns received Dario Saric and 11th pick for 6th pick. Saric was a 24 yr old former lottery pick averaging 12 ppg.
2018 draft, Philly received 16th pick and future Miami first for 10th pick.
2018 draft, Atlanta received 5th pick and future first for 3rd pick.
2017 draft, Boston received 3rd pick and future first for 1st pick.
2017 draft, Portland received 10th pick for 15th and 20th
2016 draft, Suns received 8th pick for 13th and 28th
2013 draft, Jazz got 9th pick for 14th and 21st

Based on these trades, I don't think 7 and 23 is enough to move up to 4.

I agree with this assessment. 23 is sweetener. But there needs to be a key player involved - Herb Jones or Trey Murphy III. Wonder what the damage assessment is on their injuries.

[JMAC3]

Thinking the Pelicans trade up scenarios out of them jumping from 7 to 4 with Hornets.

2019 draft, Suns received Dario Saric and 11th pick for 6th pick. Saric was a 24 yr old former lottery pick averaging 12 ppg.
2018 draft, Philly received 16th pick and future Miami first for 10th pick.
2018 draft, Atlanta received 5th pick and future first for 3rd pick.
2017 draft, Boston received 3rd pick and future first for 1st pick.
2017 draft, Portland received 10th pick for 15th and 20th
2016 draft, Suns received 8th pick for 13th and 28th
2013 draft, Jazz got 9th pick for 14th and 21st

Based on these trades, I don't think 7 and 23 is enough to move up to 4.

Here are the 3 trades that I think could make sense.
1.4th and Josh Green for Herb Jones and 7th.
2. 4th for 7th, 23rd and (Hawkins or Alvarado).
3. 4th for 7th and rights to swap our 1st with better of NOP and Bucks 1st.

If NOP are trading up for Ace then I think Herb is more expendable because you can't start Herb, Murphy, Ace and Zion together.

[fatlever]

Thinking the Pelicans trade up scenarios out of them jumping from 7 to 4 with Hornets.

2019 draft, Suns received Dario Saric and 11th pick for 6th pick. Saric was a 24 yr old former lottery pick averaging 12 ppg.
2018 draft, Philly received 16th pick and future Miami first for 10th pick.
2018 draft, Atlanta received 5th pick and future first for 3rd pick.
2017 draft, Boston received 3rd pick and future first for 1st pick.
2017 draft, Portland received 10th pick for 15th and 20th
2016 draft, Suns received 8th pick for 13th and 28th
2013 draft, Jazz got 9th pick for 14th and 21st

Based on these trades, I don't think 7 and 23 is enough to move up to 4.

good research

dont forget...2022, pistons got 13th pick for the a 2023 1st (coming from from the best team in the league) and a poo poo platter of 2nds

but i agree 7 and 23 is not enough for me to move 4. when they add herb to talks, i'll listen. until then, i hang up.

assuming the nets are the team that ace wants to play for, what would it take for you to move back to 8?

[fatlever]

Thinking the Pelicans trade up scenarios out of them jumping from 7 to 4 with Hornets.

2019 draft, Suns received Dario Saric and 11th pick for 6th pick. Saric was a 24 yr old former lottery pick averaging 12 ppg.
2018 draft, Philly received 16th pick and future Miami first for 10th pick.
2018 draft, Atlanta received 5th pick and future first for 3rd pick.
2017 draft, Boston received 3rd pick and future first for 1st pick.
2017 draft, Portland received 10th pick for 15th and 20th
2016 draft, Suns received 8th pick for 13th and 28th
2013 draft, Jazz got 9th pick for 14th and 21st

Based on these trades, I don't think 7 and 23 is enough to move up to 4.

Here are the 3 trades that I think could make sense.
1.4th and Josh Green for Herb Jones and 7th.
2. 4th for 7th, 23rd and (Hawkins or Alvarado).
3. 4th for 7th and rights to swap our 1st with better of NOP and Bucks 1st.

thats the one. and i'd add 33 to get it done

[JMAC3]

Thinking the Pelicans trade up scenarios out of them jumping from 7 to 4 with Hornets.

2019 draft, Suns received Dario Saric and 11th pick for 6th pick. Saric was a 24 yr old former lottery pick averaging 12 ppg.
2018 draft, Philly received 16th pick and future Miami first for 10th pick.
2018 draft, Atlanta received 5th pick and future first for 3rd pick.
2017 draft, Boston received 3rd pick and future first for 1st pick.
2017 draft, Portland received 10th pick for 15th and 20th
2016 draft, Suns received 8th pick for 13th and 28th
2013 draft, Jazz got 9th pick for 14th and 21st

Based on these trades, I don't think 7 and 23 is enough to move up to 4.

good research

dont forget...2022, pistons got 13th pick for the a 2023 1st (coming from from the best team in the league) and a poo poo platter of 2nds

but i agree 7 and 23 is not enough for me to move 4. when they add herb to talks, i'll listen. until then, i hang up.

assuming the nets are the team that ace wants to play for, what would it take for you to move back to 8?

This is more complex to me because Brooklyn has a few players that Peterson has drafted (Clowney, Sharpe, Whitehead), they also have a bunch of later picks 19/26/27, but they also have over 60 million in cap space so we could just do a salary dump and try to get involved in FA.

For instance if you can dump Nurkic and Green into their cap space that might open up 30-40 million in real cap space for Hornets to chase someone like Naz Reid or absorb Porzingis or Holiday into cap space. So a lot more interesting avenues.

[fatlever]

what would chasing capspace the avenue mean for tre mann?

[JustBuzzin]

If we're trading Melo, then Green is probably the best player we could potentially get back.

Nah, I think we would get a lot better coming back than Jalen Green.

We would be getting back 2 starters LaMelo and Jabari + whatever picks we get back.

Draft Fears with our draft pick

Fears
Green
Miller
Jabari
Mark

Is a exciting athletic young team.

[JMAC3]

what would chasing capspace the avenue mean for tre mann?

It would just depend on how much you opened up but say you dumped Nurkic, Green and you moved down from 4th pick salary to 8th pick salary that is over 35 million in savings.

If you waived Okogie, DaQuan and kept Trey Mann Cap hold we would be around 128 million which is 26 million under the salary cap, or 40 million without Mann.

So yeah a lot of complicated nuances there.

[fatlever]

so... breaking it down
4, mann, okogie, nurk, green, and mle exception (right, we lose that exception?)
for
8 and 35 mil in cap space

[JDR720]

35m in cap space is like one good starter in this market. So I'd rather keep #4.

[yosemiteben]

Agreed, I also think there's some truth in the reported interest in Jalen Green.

Has there been reported interest? All I saw was that our old FO liked him when he was drafted.

[GoBobs]

We need to position ourselves for the possibility that the Warriors or Bucks decide to blow things up next season before the deadline.

[yosemiteben]

2. 4th for 7th, 23rd and (Hawkins or Alvarado).

Would the intent here be to take the salary into our MLE?

[Bassman]

so... breaking it down
4, mann, okogie, nurk, green, and mle exception (right, we lose that exception?)
for
8 and 35 mil in cap space

Nope, better give me the 19th pick as well to drop that far, even with them absorbing players. The group you’re giving away has some key players. We’d need to keep either Mann or Okogie IMO. Of course this assumes we keep Melo, right? I think he really is in play for a big deal, which may affect drafting altogether.

[JMAC3]

so... breaking it down
4, mann, okogie, nurk, green, and mle exception (right, we lose that exception?)
for
8 and 35 mil in cap space

Again, it depends on Tre Mann. If he signs for 7 million or any number below his 14 million cap hold then that affects relative cap space.
Assuming Tre signs for 8 million, we could have him plus 8th and 30 million in cap.

Okogie, Nurk and Green are all overpaid so idk if would say I am losing any of them.
Okogie could be brought back at like 4 million imo instead of almost 8.

And yes you would go from having 14.1 MLE to 8.7 Room exception in that scenario.

Not saying this would be my number 1 option but I think it is at least interesting depending on who they would target. My guess is Peterson would value a bunch of meh late firsts more than cap space to sign a difference maker.

[LofJ]

2. 4th for 7th, 23rd and (Hawkins or Alvarado).

Would the intent here be to take the salary into our MLE?

I saw a few different people reporting it. Here's one of them:

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