Bobcats Picks Discussion (#9, #19, #39)

SWedd523 · Post #561 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 1:10 am

BigSlam wrote:Thinking that at #19 someone like Hamilton or Klay or Marshon will be available, I'm starting to wonder if we should be looking to take Nikola Vucevic at #9 and then the best wing shooter left at #19?

I'm just getting done watching that Nikola Vucevic footage on DX and can't help but think that there were a lot of dudes all busted up that we passed up on Lopez in his draft class - is Nikola Vucevic going to be much worse than him?

Their pre-draft measurements are almost exactly the same:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brook-Lopez-545/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nik ... evic-5828/

Vucevic seems to have a great mix of inside/outside and rebounding/shot blocking. Maybe he's the next best big option behind Kanter this year? Vucevic might not have super star potential, but if we got 5-10 solid years out of him at the 5 spot and then lucked out with either Hamilton or Klay or Marshon busting out - how good a draft would that be???

I think doing something really ambitious like that is so dangerous that we risk outsmarting ourselves. That could either work out fantastically well and looking back people will say, "They really drafted smart and had the foresight to reach a bit on a player and ended up with some great building blocks." or it can smack us in the face, "Why would they reach on Vucevic when they had a guy like Burks there who could have been a star for that team."

I think if Vucevic starts moving up into the late lottery stock, then it might be less of a risk because there isn't much size towards the end of the first round while there WILL be a lot of wings. I'd still rather try and trade up and get him if he goes in the mid teens before us. I'd trade 19 and either Dante/White/small piece or 39 to move up a couple of spots.

As it stands though, I have him going 19th in my mock.

10-Bucks don't need him
11-Warriors don't need him
12-Jazz don't need him
13-Suns maybe but not sure how he fits with Frye/Lopez
14-Rockets probably the biggest risk to take him before our pick
15-Pacers don't need him
16-76ers maybe
17-Knicks doesn't fit with Amare
18-Wizards don't need him

SWedd523 · Post #562 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 1:12 am

Marino wrote:Do you think Klay will fall to 19? I don't think so, I would love Brooks there though.

IMO, Klay goes 10th. He really fits in well with that Bucks lineup

I have Brooks going 15th to the Pacers as BPA but I don't see how the Knicks or Wizards pass on him if he's there

Post #563 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 1:33 am

SWEDD523 wrote:I think doing something really ambitious like that is so dangerous that we risk outsmarting ourselves. That could either work out fantastically well and looking back people will say, "They really drafted smart and had the foresight to reach a bit on a player and ended up with some great building blocks." or it can smack us in the face, "Why would they reach on Vucevic when they had a guy like Burks there who could have been a star for that team."

No doubt it might be viewed as a risky move, but we don't have a heck of a lot to lose with the current roster we have.

Maybe a better result might be trading down from #9 to get him while picking up some concessions along the way (extra pick/future pick/right to swap picks etc), dumping a bad contract or maybe even both?

I really don't see him being on the board when #19 rolls around though. I think he'll go to Philly (obviously) and if not there I fully expect the Wizards to take a long hard look at him at #18 knowing they like the idea of teaming Kanter with McGee.

I just think that with some potential quality wings that will be available at #19 then maybe we can afford to take a chance on a big like Vucevic a little higher than expected?

Post #564 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 1:36 am

SWEDD523 wrote:
Marino wrote:Do you think Klay will fall to 19? I don't think so, I would love Brooks there though.

IMO, Klay goes 10th. He really fits in well with that Bucks lineup

I have Brooks going 15th to the Pacers as BPA but I don't see how the Knicks or Wizards pass on him if he's there

I don't like Brooks for the Knicks at all. Not with Melo, Amare and even Billups needing so many shots. With Paul showing the goods for the Pacers I don't see a fit for him there either.

SWedd523 · Post #565 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 1:40 am

I think they want to move Granger and Paul fits better as a do-it-all SF while Brooks slides in at the 2.

I have Selby going to NY, but I don't think they pass up Brooks for whatever reason. Maybe they groom him as the point and use Landry as the utility guy next to him. Can't say that would be a bad backcourt.

I also don't buy the hype that the Zards want Kanter (or any other big for that matter). I know Blatche has some, and by some I mean a ton, of issues, but he's still a great player next to the offensively challenged McGee. They really need some wings before they work on the frontcourt. Kawhi/Vesely with their first pick, with Singleton, Brooks, and Hamilton (who I have them taking 18th) on their radar for the second pick.

Post #566 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 1:51 am

SWEDD523 wrote:They really need some wings before they work on the frontcourt.

Jordan Crawford and Rashard Lewis seem to have the 2 and 3 locked down?

SWedd523 · Post #567 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 2:02 am

Crawford maybe, but certainly not Shard. He missed the final 21 games, barely averaged 11 a game and will be 32 in August. Hamilton at 18 makes the most sense for that team. You don't pick a player to replace Blatche before you pick a player to replace Lewis

countryboi · Post #568 » by **countryboi** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 2:09 am

I am not a fan of klay at all not at 9 anyway.....i would rather draft jordan hamilton at 19 and take burks or brooks at 9...

SWedd523 · Post #569 » by **SWedd523** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 2:13 am

countryboi wrote:I am not a fan of klay at all not at 9 anyway.....i would rather draft jordan hamilton at 19 and take burks or brooks at 9...

Exactly.

If Kawhi or Vesely are there at 9, I think you go with them before Burks. Follow that up with either Brooks, Jenkins, or Vucevic at 19

If not, take Burks and go with Hamilton or Vucevic.

countryboi · Post #570 » by **countryboi** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 2:16 am

i was just going to go back and say the guy i really like is jay vesely....i have my fingers crossed he drops he is a very swing for the fences type of pick..

ohara · Post #571 » by **ohara** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 2:23 am

I am hoping for some US College bias in the early lottery. If we have a couple players sneak in because of that, and some bias against Euro players, Vesely is the one who could drop to us. And that would be awesome.

ohara · Post #572 » by **ohara** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 2:29 am

OT: Warriors just hired Mark Jackson as Head Coach. I like that pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6632935

Did not see anywhere else to post it.

Post #573 » by **BigSlam** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 2:37 am

ohara wrote:OT: Warriors just hired Mark Jackson as Head Coach. I like that pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6632935

Did not see anywhere else to post it.

Considering you put "off topic" at the start of your post, I would have thought the answer was obvious?

Post #574 » by **fatlever** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 2:50 am

ohara wrote:OT: Warriors just hired Mark Jackson as Head Coach. I like that pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6632935

Did not see anywhere else to post it.

thank god. now i dont have to listen to his know-it-all, no sense of humor commentary any longer. i cant stand listening to him. i dont like commentators that take the sport so damn seriously. lets see how he does as a coach. i guess i have to root for him since i love the warriors.

Marino · Post #575 » by **Marino** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 3:30 am

countryboi wrote:I am not a fan of klay at all not at 9 anyway.....i would rather draft jordan hamilton at 19 and take burks or brooks at 9...

This is what I want to do as well.

Marvel · Post #576 » by **Marvel** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 7:40 am

I don't like Burks, Brooks, or Klay....*vomit* I'm meh on Hamilton, but i'd prefer him at 9 than the latter prospects.

Eoghan · Post #577 » by **Eoghan** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 8:18 am

BigSlam wrote:Either way, we need to find some super star potential between either DJ, Hendo, Tyrus or whoever we take at #9 (because realistically finding a super star at #19 or #39 is a massive ask).

Short story long: Forget about the skill set of Burks or Klay or any prospect this draft and how it fits in with our current roster. Focus on who has the best chance to have an impact on the NBA.

Well, we'll have to trade into the top 3 for that to be a possibility IMO. After Irving, Williams, and maybe Kanter, it's all a roll of the dice in this draft. But from day one I've been all about the BPA and that ain't changing. I don't care if the BPA is a PF with zero offense but is a game changer on defense, we take him b/c he's an asset and this team has had players nobody wants for long enough.

bobcats3wallace · Post #578 » by **bobcats3wallace** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 12:14 pm

Marvel wrote:I don't like Burks, Brooks, or Klay....*vomit* I'm meh on Hamilton, but i'd prefer him at 9 than the latter prospects.

You can probably get Jordan Hamilton at 19, he has really dropped. That would be the reason I would not take him at 9.

ohara · Post #579 » by **ohara** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 12:27 pm

bobcats3wallace wrote:
Marvel wrote:I don't like Burks, Brooks, or Klay....*vomit* I'm meh on Hamilton, but i'd prefer him at 9 than the latter prospects.

You can probably get Jordan Hamilton at 19, he has really dropped. That would be the reason I would not take him at 9.

Yep. I've seen him around #21 or #22 on a few mocks. He has really dropped. But I put him in the group I would strongly consider him at #19. Hamilton, Brooks, Harris, Vucevic, K. Thompson, and a couple more I am sure...looks to me like #19 is going to give us someone we can really use on the floor. To me, this draft will really come down to whether we get someone we really like at #9, or if we have to "settle" for the BPA at the moment. They wil still be good, but it might not be one of those "great" moments we all want. Just hoping we get an unexpected surprise with someone falling to #9.

Kembastockton · Post #580 » by **Kembastockton** » Tue Jun 7, 2011 2:19 pm

Marvel wrote:I don't like Burks, Brooks, or Klay....*vomit* I'm meh on Hamilton, but i'd prefer him at 9 than the latter prospects.

For seven years I have made this same rant I am about to make. First as Pointguard#1 then I became Geraldmutumbo now I am DJquick. I really don't understand how some of you can be so convinced of your own opinion. You haven't been to one of these workouts. You have not had one conversation with any of the players, coaches, or combine staff. You most certainly are not God. You do not know any of these player's future. Yet you guys can be so imperative. These players are being evaluated by experts who have guidelines by which the whole nba judges. Yet all of them get it wrong half the time. But for some reason many of you think you know more than the experts do.

None of us have any information except for what little they allow to filter out. I have my favorites like everyone else. Yet I am not so arrogant as to completely dismiss any players. I like Burks, Klay, Singleton, and Biyombo at nine in that order. But if Mike picks one of the Morris twins or Tristan I will just assume that they know something that I don't. Why? Because even though the Bobcats have not been the best drafters I realize that they always have their reasons to pick who they pick. I realize that they are using the same guidelines the Spurs, and Celics are using. They just have not had a lot of luck. WHEN...the bobcats disappoint some of you, and they will. Some of you will act like complete babies. It always happens.

My friends tell me all of the time, "Dann you know that those boards are full of children who have know idea what they are talking about." At times like this I believe that they are right. Just this once can we try to be mature, and just support our team whether we like the picks or not? Is that really to much to ask?