Z-Rex: The Cody Zeller Thread

[SpearNMgicHelmt]

I stopped listening to them regularly a long time ago becasue every time I'd tune in, they'd be doing the whiner line, which is merely a stage for people to be idiots. Or the radio guys would be going on and on about some in-joke, talking smack or being silly. (QCB comes to mind with the silly)

I want to hear interviews with athletes and coaches. Expert analysis. That kind of stuff. To their credit, that's what they were doing on the day after the draft.

[Elden Payton]

Has anyone ever wondered what would happen if you stuck Brian Scalabrine's brain in Amare Stoudemire's body?

#FRANKENZELLER

[fatlever]

Aside from Taylor Z, no one on FNZ has any credibility. They're all very painful to listen to.

there are some good guys on that station who are die hard bobcats fans and know their hoops. colin filled in for bret on friday and spent the entire show rationally discussing the pros and cons of zeller like an informed host should.

haywood was on the night of the draft and was great. even sleepy floyd was on today defending the pick.

[Elden Payton]

As a fanbase we have to embrace our players because it's hard enough having players who want to play here as it is.

Kemba was seen as a safe pick and he has shown that he probably has as much upside as anyone on our team, Zeller will be much the same.

[TheKingofSting]

As a fanbase we have to embrace our players because it's hard enough having players who want to play here as it is.

Kemba was seen as a safe pick and he has shown that he probably has as much upside as anyone on our team, Zeller will be much the same.

+1

[HornetJail]

As a fanbase we have to embrace our players because it's hard enough having players who want to play here as it is.

Kemba was seen as a safe pick and he has shown that he probably has as much upside as anyone on our team, Zeller will be much the same.

I really hope you're right. I thought MKG was a pretty safe pick as well at the time. He was a bit rawer than I expected but he's shown enough to convince me he has an amazing future.

[Kembastockton]

As a fanbase we have to embrace our players because it's hard enough having players who want to play here as it is.

Kemba was seen as a safe pick and he has shown that he probably has as much upside as anyone on our team, Zeller will be much the same.

I really hope you're right. I thought MKG was a pretty safe pick as well at the time. He was a bit rawer than I expected but he's shown enough to convince me he has an amazing future.

It has been a long time since high schoolers were allowed to jump to the nba. People are forgetting that kids that young are usually that raw. Lebron (a freak of nature) was one the exceptions not the rule. I don't know if MKG will ever be a superstar, but I am sure that he will be a very good player. He still has a full six years to develop before nba players usually hit their primes.

[Eoghan]

Saw a replay of Indiana at Minnesota. He looked terrible.

[Elden Payton]

The fact that people are upset about us picking Zeller over Noel goes to show what is wrong with the fans/media.

Zeller as of now, already is 10x as skilled as Noel, Zeller is more athletic, Zeller is more versatile and Zeller possesses the type of hardness that Noel only gets when he is sleeping.

In regards to Zeller skilled=soft

Noel weighs 8 more pounds than Otto Porter who has a Tayshaun Prince build, think about that.

"Oh **** how come we picked Zeller, he's going to get pushed around at the next level!, should have taken Noel"...

[Liver_Pooty]

The fact that people are upset about us picking Zeller over Noel goes to show what is wrong with the fans/media.

Zeller as of now, already is 10x as skilled as Noel, Zeller is more athletic, Zeller is more versatile and Zeller possesses the type of hardness that Noel only gets when he is sleeping.

In regards to Zeller skilled=soft

Noel weighs 8 more pounds than Otto Porter who has a Tayshaun Prince build, think about that.

"Oh **** how come we picked Zeller, he's going to get pushed around at the next level!, should have taken Noel"...

+1

[Eoghan]

The fact that people are upset about us picking Zeller over Noel goes to show what is wrong with the fans/media.

Zeller as of now, already is 10x as skilled as Noel, Zeller is more athletic, Zeller is more versatile and Zeller possesses the type of hardness that Noel only gets when he is sleeping.

In regards to Zeller skilled=soft

Noel weighs 8 more pounds than Otto Porter who has a Tayshaun Prince build, think about that.

"Oh **** how come we picked Zeller, he's going to get pushed around at the next level!, should have taken Noel"...

Take off the superfan glasses. You can't really say half (or any) of those things since Noel didn't go through the (irrelevant) combine tests. I'm not sure what you mean by "Zeller possesss the type of hardness that Noel only gets when he is sleeping." Are you saying that Zeller is better at getting erections?

The unathletic guy with the Tayshaun Prince build went 3rd overall so the athletic guy with the Prince build should've went 4th?

[Diop]

The fact that people are upset about us picking Zeller over Noel goes to show what is wrong with the fans/media.

Zeller as of now, already is 10x as skilled as Noel, Zeller is more athletic, Zeller is more versatile and Zeller possesses the type of hardness that Noel only gets when he is sleeping.

In regards to Zeller skilled=soft

Noel weighs 8 more pounds than Otto Porter who has a Tayshaun Prince build, think about that.

"Oh **** how come we picked Zeller, he's going to get pushed around at the next level!, should have taken Noel"...

I was thinking about the weight thing the other day. When KG was drafted he weighed 220 and started at Sf.

Noel hasn't got the talent/skills to be a small forward like KG so he would have to play down low at 205!!

I'm sure that's the main reason he fell down the draft.

If DX, Chad Ford and all the draft experts were so good at what they were doing then every team could save a crap load of money on scouting etc. As you could just copy the draft talent order from their websites.

Some people hold to much weight in the hype.

[Elden Payton]

The fact that people are upset about us picking Zeller over Noel goes to show what is wrong with the fans/media.

Zeller as of now, already is 10x as skilled as Noel, Zeller is more athletic, Zeller is more versatile and Zeller possesses the type of hardness that Noel only gets when he is sleeping.

In regards to Zeller skilled=soft

Noel weighs 8 more pounds than Otto Porter who has a Tayshaun Prince build, think about that.

"Oh **** how come we picked Zeller, he's going to get pushed around at the next level!, should have taken Noel"...

Take off the superfan glasses. You can't really say half (or any) of those things since Noel didn't go through the (irrelevant) combine tests. I'm not sure what you mean by "Zeller possesss the type of hardness that Noel only gets when he is sleeping." Are you saying that Zeller is better at getting erections?

The unathletic guy with the Tayshaun Prince build went 3rd overall so the athletic guy with the Prince build should've went 4th?

What about Superfan glasses?

I wanted Zeller BEFORE the draft, when people take off the stereotype glasses they can see the quality of Cody Zeller.

What I'm saying is I don't think Noel could cope if he broke a fingernail.

The unathletic guy with the Tayshaun build who went third also has 10x the skill of Noel.

[Elden Payton]

The fact that people are upset about us picking Zeller over Noel goes to show what is wrong with the fans/media.

Zeller as of now, already is 10x as skilled as Noel, Zeller is more athletic, Zeller is more versatile and Zeller possesses the type of hardness that Noel only gets when he is sleeping.

In regards to Zeller skilled=soft

Noel weighs 8 more pounds than Otto Porter who has a Tayshaun Prince build, think about that.

"Oh **** how come we picked Zeller, he's going to get pushed around at the next level!, should have taken Noel"...

I was thinking about the weight thing the other day. When KG was drafted he weighed 220 and started at Sf.

Noel hasn't got the talent/skills to be a small forward like KG so he would have to play download at 205!!

I'm sure that's the main reason he fell down the draft.

If DX, Chad Ford and all the draft experts were so good at what they were doing then every team could save a crap load of money on scouting etc. As you could just copy the draft talent order from their websites.

Some people hold to much weight in the hype.

KG was a freak fundamentally, people talk of how he had an 8/5 rookie season but he was 17/8 as an NBA Soph, you don't do that, that quickly without the fundamentals and aptitude.

I agree completely about the hype but it is ridiculous that people choose to follow hype more than doing their due diligence, all I mean by this is that Cho spent hundreds of hours scouting prospects and he chose Zeller, we can't write him off before he's even played in SL.

I love it how all the proposed "elite" prospects are flashy- Noel, Shabazz, Poythress and Goodwin etc where guys like Porter and Zeller just fly under the radar and they aren't sexy enough as picks!

[Eoghan]

I keep calling you a superfan b/c you're using arguments that can't be defended. There is no way to directly quantify something as vague as basketball skill so to say that player x has 10x the skill of another player is lame. You think Zeller is much more skilled than Noel but that's just like, your opinion, man. IMO, Noel has a lot more overall natural skill than Zeller (defense, ballhandling, moving w/o the ball) and despite being lightweight plays Center a lot more convincingly than Zeller ever did.

[Elden Payton]

I keep calling you a superfan b/c you're using arguments that can't be defended. There is no way to directly quantify something as vague as basketball skill so to say that player x has 10x the skill of another player is lame. You think Zeller is much more skilled than Noel but that's just like, your opinion, man. IMO, Noel has a lot more overall natural skill than Zeller (defense, ballhandling, moving w/o the ball) and despite being lightweight plays Center a lot more convincingly than Zeller ever did.

I can defend the fact that fundamentally Zeller is superior to Noel who is like Bismack Biyombo in Tyrus Thomas' body although as of now emaciated Tyrus probably has 20 pounds on him.

I know it's just my opinion but I find it ludicrous that someone would even try to claim that Noel has anywhere the skill of Cody Zeller.

You just sound salty really and I imagine it's because you think of yourself as a draft expert and apparently the real experts actually know what they're on about which is why nobody wanted the Great Noel.

Which is lame really.

[BigSlam]

Stop attacking the posters and start concentrating on the posts.

Thanks.

[vorbis]

how about a Noel vs Zeller thread so I can focus on the new Bobcat player's development and not on nebulous argumentative back and forth over something that, in one sense, doesn't matter anymore?

[Elden Payton]

Me or him?

Sorry but how can it be that if we like the pick we are just "justifying" it and beign superfans?

What about this pick means we have to hate it and what about Cody Zeller screams bust or Noel screams "star"

I copped a lot of crap for liking Zeller before the draft and my opinion has not changed one iota.

I actually think sometimes it is braver to make the safe pick.

[BigSlam]

how about a Noel vs Zeller thread so I can focus on the new Bobcat player's development and not on nebulous argumentative back and forth over something that, in one sense, doesn't matter anymore?