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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#561 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:04 am

MasterIchiro wrote:That's interesting Lawson and Bledsoe are both on the block. I wonder where they end up.


Not every day you see really, really good PG's on the trading block.

If Im the sixers Im offering one of Noel or Embiid for Bledsoe. They need a good young PG.
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Post#562 » by MasterIchiro » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:07 am

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MasterIchiro wrote:That's interesting Lawson and Bledsoe are both on the block. I wonder where they end up.


Not every day you see really, really good PG's on the trading block.

If Im the sixers Im offering one of Noel or Embiid for Bledsoe. They need a good young PG.


That's a good call. Lawson to the Kings maybe.
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Post#563 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:08 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
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MasterIchiro wrote:That's interesting Lawson and Bledsoe are both on the block. I wonder where they end up.


Not every day you see really, really good PG's on the trading block.

If Im the sixers Im offering one of Noel or Embiid for Bledsoe. They need a good young PG.


That's a good call. Lawson to the Kings maybe.


I thought Lawson to the Kings would be a done deal by now. Not sure what the hold up is. Figured Lawson and some random throw in for the 6th pick would be enough, but Sacramento is in such disarray its insane. They don't know what the hell is going on.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#564 » by BeesWax » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:27 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
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Not every day you see really, really good PG's on the trading block.

If Im the sixers Im offering one of Noel or Embiid for Bledsoe. They need a good young PG.


That's a good call. Lawson to the Kings maybe.


I thought Lawson to the Kings would be a done deal by now. Not sure what the hold up is. Figured Lawson and some random throw in for the 6th pick would be enough, but Sacramento is in such disarray its insane. They don't know what the hell is going on.

Lawson and Hickson for Jefferson and Zeller. Don't think it is enough but if we are in complete win now mode why not go all in.
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Post#565 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:29 am

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That's a good call. Lawson to the Kings maybe.


I thought Lawson to the Kings would be a done deal by now. Not sure what the hold up is. Figured Lawson and some random throw in for the 6th pick would be enough, but Sacramento is in such disarray its insane. They don't know what the hell is going on.

Lawson and Hickson for Jefferson and Zeller. Don't think it is enough but if we are in complete win now mode why not go all in.


Not enough on their end. Lawson is obviously better than Walker, but not by so much you give up Jefferson and Zeller. Hickson can go play with himself. Never liked him.
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Post#566 » by BeesWax » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:34 am

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I thought Lawson to the Kings would be a done deal by now. Not sure what the hold up is. Figured Lawson and some random throw in for the 6th pick would be enough, but Sacramento is in such disarray its insane. They don't know what the hell is going on.

Lawson and Hickson for Jefferson and Zeller. Don't think it is enough but if we are in complete win now mode why not go all in.


Not enough on their end. Lawson is obviously better than Walker, but not by so much you give up Jefferson and Zeller. Hickson can go play with himself. Never liked him.

Jefferson is an extra on this roster. For me this is Lawson for Zeller and a gamble on winning big this season. We have Kaminski and Hawes for post scoring keep Biz for defense. I am not thrilled with the deal but it kind of fits what we have done this offseason.
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Post#567 » by Liver_Pooty » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:38 am

jdm3 wrote:
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jdm3 wrote:Lawson and Hickson for Jefferson and Zeller. Don't think it is enough but if we are in complete win now mode why not go all in.


Not enough on their end. Lawson is obviously better than Walker, but not by so much you give up Jefferson and Zeller. Hickson can go play with himself. Never liked him.

Jefferson is an extra on this roster. For me this is Lawson for Zeller and a gamble on winning big this season. We have Kaminski and Hawes for post scoring keep Biz for defense. I am not thrilled with the deal but it kind of fits what we have done this offseason.


Were off topic, but if I were to do a trade for Lawson that involved Zeller Id do Walker/Zeller for Lawson and a unprotected future first. Aka their pick in 2016, which might be dynamite.
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Re: Is It December Yet? - The Kemba Walker Thread III 

Post#568 » by BeesWax » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:47 am

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Not enough on their end. Lawson is obviously better than Walker, but not by so much you give up Jefferson and Zeller. Hickson can go play with himself. Never liked him.

Jefferson is an extra on this roster. For me this is Lawson for Zeller and a gamble on winning big this season. We have Kaminski and Hawes for post scoring keep Biz for defense. I am not thrilled with the deal but it kind of fits what we have done this offseason.


Were off topic, but if I were to do a trade for Lawson that involved Zeller Id do Walker/Zeller for Lawson and a unprotected future first. Aka their pick in 2016, which might be dynamite.

The problem there is you got no better. The slight upgrade to Lawson is ruined by losing our only defensive big man on the roster. Also Lawson excels at a higher pace and more movement which means he won't work well with Al on the court.

It moves Kemba to the bench and we could do some small ball two PG lineups where we really get out and go.
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Post#569 » by BeesWax » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:46 am

I am starting to wonder what we could get for him. His price is seeming reasonable but if we are going all in to bag this team into the only mold Cliff has a prayer of coaching we may need to move him.
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Post#570 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:48 am

jdm3 wrote:I am starting to wonder what we could get for him. His price is seeming reasonable but if we are going all in to bag this team into the only mold Cliff has a prayer of coaching we may need to move him.


pfft, he's gonna have huge year not surrounded by goons.
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Post#571 » by catch20two » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:52 am

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jdm3 wrote:I am starting to wonder what we could get for him. His price is seeming reasonable but if we are going all in to bag this team into the only mold Cliff has a prayer of coaching we may need to move him.


pfft, he's gonna have huge year not surrounded by goons.

I got a feeling Clifford gonna find a way to mess this up. He's already made a mistake by GIVING Batum the starting SG spot before training camp without knowing how it will all mesh when Batum never played SG exclusively in his career. We start off on a rough patch with Cliff every year and he remain stubborn until after New Year's or ASB. By then it's a uphill battle.
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Post#572 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:57 am

catch20two wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
jdm3 wrote:I am starting to wonder what we could get for him. His price is seeming reasonable but if we are going all in to bag this team into the only mold Cliff has a prayer of coaching we may need to move him.


pfft, he's gonna have huge year not surrounded by goons.

I got a feeling Clifford gonna find a way to mess this up. He's already made a mistake by GIVING Batum the starting SG spot before training camp without knowing how it will all mesh when Batum never played SG exclusively in his career. We start off on a rough patch with Cliff every year and he remain stubborn until after New Year's or ASB. By then it's a uphill battle.


Batum will find his place at SF if Jeremy Lamb rediscovers his mojo playing with Kemba. MKG will be playing more small-ball minutes at PF to close out games but overall Lamb will eat into MKG's minutes for spacing.
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Post#573 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:02 am

Lamb isn't eating minutes into anyone, yet. I'm fine with him as a 6 man, but he has competition for that. I wouldn't count that Hairston out.
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Post#574 » by catch20two » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:06 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
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pfft, he's gonna have huge year not surrounded by goons.

I got a feeling Clifford gonna find a way to mess this up. He's already made a mistake by GIVING Batum the starting SG spot before training camp without knowing how it will all mesh when Batum never played SG exclusively in his career. We start off on a rough patch with Cliff every year and he remain stubborn until after New Year's or ASB. By then it's a uphill battle.


Batum will find his place at SF if Jeremy Lamb rediscovers his mojo playing with Kemba. MKG will be playing more small-ball minutes at PF to close out games but overall Lamb will eat into MKG's minutes for spacing.

I look forward to seeing the Kemba-Lamb-MKG-Batum-Al lineup. Hopefully Cho isn't too conventional and old fashioned to try it like he has been in the past. I honestly wouldn't mind that being the starting lineup with Kaminsky as the 6th man if Kaminsky don't come ready.
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Post#575 » by Braggins » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:26 am

catch20two wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:
catch20two wrote:I got a feeling Clifford gonna find a way to mess this up. He's already made a mistake by GIVING Batum the starting SG spot before training camp without knowing how it will all mesh when Batum never played SG exclusively in his career. We start off on a rough patch with Cliff every year and he remain stubborn until after New Year's or ASB. By then it's a uphill battle.


Batum will find his place at SF if Jeremy Lamb rediscovers his mojo playing with Kemba. MKG will be playing more small-ball minutes at PF to close out games but overall Lamb will eat into MKG's minutes for spacing.

I look forward to seeing the Kemba-Lamb-MKG-Batum-Al lineup. Hopefully Cho isn't too conventional and old fashioned to try it like he has been in the past. I honestly wouldn't mind that being the starting lineup with Kaminsky as the 6th man if Kaminsky don't come ready.

Replace Al with Kaminsky.
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Post#576 » by catch20two » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:31 am

I'm expecting a big year out of Kemba with all star game consideration.
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Post#577 » by HornetJail » Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:47 am

catch20two wrote:I'm expecting a big year out of Kemba with all star game consideration.

He's not short on assist options and floor spacing, but I still don't think it's happening with an out-of-shape Al Jefferson there clogging things up for the first 3 months of the year. Our starting five is still probably the same except Henderson gets replaced with Batum, who isn't a go-to option as a scorer. If Zeller and MKG add corner threes that defenses have to respect, things get really interesting in terms of offense though. Then an Al-centric offense almost makes sense- almost. Kemba won't look good enough to be an all-star with Al here.
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Post#578 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:01 am

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catch20two wrote:I'm expecting a big year out of Kemba with all star game consideration.

He's not short on assist options and floor spacing, but I still don't think it's happening with an out-of-shape Al Jefferson there clogging things up for the first 3 months of the year. Our starting five is still probably the same except Henderson gets replaced with Batum, who isn't a go-to option as a scorer. If Zeller and MKG add corner threes that defenses have to respect, things get really interesting in terms of offense though. Then an Al-centric offense almost makes sense- almost. Kemba won't look good enough to be an all-star with Al here.


The difference is, if Al wants this team to be about him and his stats and his new contract, then we can hold him accountable. Both Cho and Clifford alluded to this accountability. It's difficult to hold someone like Al accountable when we didn't have the versatility, flexibility and skill on the roster. Now we do.
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Post#579 » by HornetJail » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:03 am

MasterIchiro wrote:
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catch20two wrote:I'm expecting a big year out of Kemba with all star game consideration.

He's not short on assist options and floor spacing, but I still don't think it's happening with an out-of-shape Al Jefferson there clogging things up for the first 3 months of the year. Our starting five is still probably the same except Henderson gets replaced with Batum, who isn't a go-to option as a scorer. If Zeller and MKG add corner threes that defenses have to respect, things get really interesting in terms of offense though. Then an Al-centric offense almost makes sense- almost. Kemba won't look good enough to be an all-star with Al here.


The difference is, if Al wants this team to be about him and his stats and his new contract, then we can hold him accountable. Both Cho and Clifford alluded to this accountability. It's difficult to hold someone like Al accountable when we didn't have the versatility, flexibility and skill on the roster. Now we do.

Do we? Our other options up front are worse defensively than he is.
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Post#580 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:07 am

BizGilwalker wrote:
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BizGilwalker wrote:He's not short on assist options and floor spacing, but I still don't think it's happening with an out-of-shape Al Jefferson there clogging things up for the first 3 months of the year. Our starting five is still probably the same except Henderson gets replaced with Batum, who isn't a go-to option as a scorer. If Zeller and MKG add corner threes that defenses have to respect, things get really interesting in terms of offense though. Then an Al-centric offense almost makes sense- almost. Kemba won't look good enough to be an all-star with Al here.


The difference is, if Al wants this team to be about him and his stats and his new contract, then we can hold him accountable. Both Cho and Clifford alluded to this accountability. It's difficult to hold someone like Al accountable when we didn't have the versatility, flexibility and skill on the roster. Now we do.

Do we? Our other options up front are worse defensively than he is.


Defense?

Al's biggest thing is he doesn't make his teammates better.

He has the capacity to pass out of double teams but he holds the ball, depletes the shot clock and deteriorates the quality of possessions.

We have players with versatility now and skill who can do things to make their teammates better and that includes setting screens, facilitating for others while also finishing plays.
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