Fake Trade Thread #3

MasterIchiro · Post #561 » by **MasterIchiro** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:16 am

You're getting improvements plus contributions from everyone who shares the court with Hayward so that has value for a rebuild team, the NBA's youngest btw. Hayward's contract any day all day over Westbrook's. Westbrook being so ball dominant would have cost touches for our young players and stunted their development. Hayward fits a team concept. There's value in the way he amplifies teammates.

JMAC3 · Post #562 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:11 pm

vtime wrote:Would’ve loved for Russ to mentor Lamelo as well.

HUH? You would of loved Russ to come in and have the ball in his hands 75% of the time? Show LaMelo how to stat pad and take inefficient mid range jumpers? Russ can't space the floor at all next to Melo so their would be less room on the floor.

I don't hate Russ, but he would be one of the worst fits next to Melo in the entire league.

Hayward is a much better fit, will help offense flow and still give us a late clock scorer which we need. If you are going to overpay for a guy in todays league, make sure it is a wing who can pass, shoot, defend multiple positions. Hayward is really easy to plug into almost any lineup.

Rays Pompadour · Post #563 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:30 pm

Rays Pompadour wrote:
KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Your cap sheet looks pretty clean from what I can tell, unless you plan on spending a lot of money to retain Zeller next summer. I used to think he was declining, but then he kind of bounced back, kind of like Chris Paul. HIs PPG and RPG went down last year due to the fit in Philly, but he still can spread the floor, defend, rebound and averages like 4 apg, which really helps a young team out.

I guess I don't know your plans at C, unless you want to keep Zeller around. I think Horford is quite a bit better.

Graham is in line for a payday next summer. I'm thinking he'll cost $15-20M if he stays the course from last season, maybe more if he takes another jump. I agree Horford is better than Zeller, but by how much and for how long? I'm not convinced we even have a playoff squad this year or next with Hayward barring a leap towards stardom from one of our young guys (I'm not holding my breath). Horford maybe gets us the 8th seed instead of the 10th

I think you're right to highlight Graham. His is the cautionary tale of the successful 2nd round pick, which is why we saw Carey locked up for 4 years with more guaranteed money than ever offered before. Charlotte will have to walk the line of rewarding play and development against the value of the contract. If Graham gets a $15M contract, I believe he'll be hard to trade. The Hornets must consider risk with this player.

See this about Gary Trent, Jr.: https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/12/11/report-gary-trent-jr-declined-trail-blazers-extension-offer/

This may be a good guideline for Graham as far as a contract goes. He could do what Trent is doing though, and decline an extension to test his worth in free agency (RFA). Still, I think with his age he'll take a reasonable extension from the Hornets instead of taking Trent's risk. If Graham wanted to max out his THIRD contract, then he'll try to negotiate a two-year deal (with yr 3 PO). The Hornets would only agree if they thought he wasn't a core piece.

GiggitySmalls · Post #564 » by **GiggitySmalls** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:47 pm

Why not go after turner. Rozier/Zeller and a Twin. Hell the best one if the want him. Whats would it take?

JMAC3 · Post #565 » by **JMAC3** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:40 pm

I am so tired of hearing about Myles Turner... dude is not even that good. Not saying he is horrible, but we talk about him like he is next Jokic.

GiggitySmalls · Post #566 » by **GiggitySmalls** » Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:02 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I am so tired of hearing about Myles Turner... dude is not even that good. Not saying he is horrible, but we talk about him like he is next Jokic.

He more talented than any big man we have had in years. He fits nicely next to Washington and Hayward.

spankymoore7 · Post #567 » by **spankymoore7** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:36 am

I would love Turner...I wonder how close Zeller/Bridges would be...add a second or Martin twin?

HornetJail · Post #568 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:45 am

spankymoore7 wrote:I would love Turner...I wonder how close Zeller/Bridges would be...add a second or Martin twin?

that would completely depend on them being rather high on Miles. More than I am, anyway. I think that's a top 7 or top 10 protected 1st away from being fair, and I don't think I'm ready to pay that price since I see us finishing with the 11th-12th pick this year trying to make the playoffs and ultimately falling short.

JMAC3 · Post #569 » by **JMAC3** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 2:50 am

It does not worry any of you that Pacers want to get rid of him? That is a bit of a red flag to me.

JMAC3 · Post #570 » by **JMAC3** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 2:55 am

Man Mitchell Robinson can't catch a break, how will he ever get minutes now that the Knicks have Nerlens Noel... Dude could of been a superstar by now, but Knicks are just too loaded with talent.

JMAC3 · Post #571 » by **JMAC3** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 2:56 am

Also Killian Hayes with5 points and 7 Turnovers in his first game in 21 min

James Gatz · Post #572 » by **James Gatz** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:45 pm

JMAC3 wrote:Man Mitchell Robinson can't catch a break, how will he ever get minutes now that the Knicks have Nerlens Noel... Dude could of been a superstar by now, but Knicks are just too loaded with talent.

What path do you see Mitch Rob to superstardom?

I think his ceiling is fringe all-star guy if he plays for a top team. I doubt he reaches that. He's no doubt fun to watch and super bouncy. His feel defensively is still lacking and he chases blocks like 2k mycareer character. Offensively he can't do much but rim run and dunk, he does this very effectively though.

I have a feeling Thibs is going to play Noel over him as at this point Noel is clearly a better defender.

JMAC3 · Post #573 » by **JMAC3** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:49 pm

James Gatz wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Man Mitchell Robinson can't catch a break, how will he ever get minutes now that the Knicks have Nerlens Noel... Dude could of been a superstar by now, but Knicks are just too loaded with talent.

What path do you see Mitch Rob to superstardom?

I think his ceiling is fringe all-star guy if he plays for a top team. I doubt he reaches that. He's no doubt fun to watch and super bouncy. His feel defensively is still lacking and he chases blocks like 2k mycareer character. Offensively he can't do much but rim run and dunk, he does this very effectively though.

I have a feeling Thibs is going to play Noel over him as at this point Noel is clearly a better defender.

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James Gatz · Post #574 » by **James Gatz** » Sat Dec 12, 2020 3:50 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
James Gatz wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:Man Mitchell Robinson can't catch a break, how will he ever get minutes now that the Knicks have Nerlens Noel... Dude could of been a superstar by now, but Knicks are just too loaded with talent.

What path do you see Mitch Rob to superstardom?

I think his ceiling is fringe all-star guy if he plays for a top team. I doubt he reaches that. He's no doubt fun to watch and super bouncy. His feel defensively is still lacking and he chases blocks like 2k mycareer character. Offensively he can't do much but rim run and dunk, he does this very effectively though.

I have a feeling Thibs is going to play Noel over him as at this point Noel is clearly a better defender.

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BeesWax · Post #575 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:23 pm

JMAC3 wrote:It does not worry any of you that Pacers want to get rid of him? That is a bit of a red flag to me.

It doesn't panic me because I think they don't like the fit with Sabonis. I think Turner would fit well here in what we need from a 5. We could play Ball, Graham, Hayward, Washington and Turner and have a great fit. Opens the lane for drive and kicks with only Ball as the current non-shooter. He is also only 24 so he isn't out of the age range of our future core.

MasterIchiro · Post #576 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:43 pm

BeesWax wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:It does not worry any of you that Pacers want to get rid of him? That is a bit of a red flag to me.

It doesn't panic me because I think they don't like the fit with Sabonis. I think Turner would fit well here in what we need from a 5. We could play Ball, Graham, Hayward, Washington and Turner and have a great fit. Opens the lane for drive and kicks with only Ball as the current non-shooter. He is also only 24 so he isn't out of the age range of our future core.

Due to fit, I believe Turner's game would play up here. Having a stretch 5 will be vital to incorporating LaMelo as a starter. It will be a long time before LaMelo is a floor spacer and he just seems like he can be so much better for the whole team if given more space to operate. So adding Turner should benefit everyone now and long-term.

amcoolio · Post #577 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:55 pm

If we keep struggling we need to make that consolidation move. We need more shooting. Our spacing still stinks and its only going to hurt Ball's growth the longer it goes on.

MasterIchiro · Post #578 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:04 pm

amcoolio wrote:If we keep struggling we need to make that consolidation move. We need more shooting. Our spacing still stinks and its only going to hurt Ball's growth the longer it goes on.

Sucks that we drafted a player requiring immediate contingency moves beyond paying out 120 million to Gordon Hayward. But in order to maximize the value of LaMelo and optimize his level of play, we need a spacer. Pacers seem open to moving Turner because their cap situation becomes dicey if they max Oladipo. And let's be honest, Turner is worth more as a stretch 5 than a stretch 4. They probably want too much for him. After seeing Bridges I wouldn't part with him for Turner. Knowing GM's they're probably demanding PJ. Turner is a good target and we were linked to him but since nothing is done obviously the price is no good.

Rays Pompadour · Post #579 » by **Rays Pompadour** » Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:50 pm

amcoolio wrote:If we keep struggling we need to make that consolidation move. We need more shooting. Our spacing still stinks and its only going to hurt Ball's growth the longer it goes on.

100% agree. My opinion, Charlotte's #1 issue isn't at the rim. It's shooting. It's been a problem for a long time and not properly addressed. Players I'd like for the Hornets to at least give a looksie:

Kyle Korver
Duncan Robinson
Gary Harris
Wayne Ellington
Joe Ingles
PJ Tucker

GiggitySmalls · Post #580 » by **GiggitySmalls** » Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:59 pm

Rays Pompadour wrote:
amcoolio wrote:If we keep struggling we need to make that consolidation move. We need more shooting. Our spacing still stinks and its only going to hurt Ball's growth the longer it goes on.

100% agree. My opinion, Charlotte's #1 issue isn't at the rim. It's shooting. It's been a problem for a long time and not properly addressed. Players I'd like for the Hornets to at least give a looksie:

Kyle Korver
Duncan Robinson
Gary Harris
Wayne Ellington
Joe Ingles
PJ Tucker

Is take Duncan out of anyone on that list easily.