Bouk 'Em, Danno: The James Bouknight Thread

[HornetJail]

I mean look how much better Wiggins looked with a change of scenery (obvi not a Hornets-specific example). I tend to think one of MKG, Biyombo or Vonleh (in addition to Monk) would've popped elsewhere and were irreparably ruined by Charlotte.

I think Biyombo maxed out his talent, Vonleh didn’t have the smarts for nba basketball, we weren’t the only team that tried with him.

Mkg though, I think another team might have got more out of him. He had a confidence issue that Charlotte couldn’t seem to help him with.

I think Biz might've gained more confidence if he had his "Toronto stint" earlier in his career. I can't explain it but his hands looked less crappy and defensively he seemed to be in the right places there and in Phx now to an extent. Noah you might be right, my point was I think at least 1 of those 3 guys would've had a better career in a more promising organization.

Biz has looked "nearly serviceable" on offense any time he played with actual floor generals. Kyle Lowry, Chris Paul, and Devonte' Graham all able to find him the ball, and give him soft enough passes that he can catch. Rookie LaMelo whose passes were accurate but he played a zillion miles an hour and Biz couldn't deal with those fastball no look passes at all.

[Bassman]

The list of bad picks and failures by this organization reveals a lot. It’s down right depressing when taken in bulk form. Bouknight was a bad reach by a staff unprepared to fully evaluate him as both player and person. Lack of talent kills an NBA team. Despite all that we had it building prior to bonehead Miles self destruction.

Yet look back at late last year. There were all sorts of warning signs se players. Miles and his “cocktails”, LaMelo and multiple others proudly toking on camera, etc. Youngins were out of control. Bouk was already unraveling but we didn’t know it.

[JMAC3]

The list of bad picks and failures by this organization reveals a lot. It’s down right depressing when taken in bulk form. Bouknight was a bad reach by a staff unprepared to fully evaluate him as both player and person. Lack of talent kills an NBA team. Despite all that we had it building prior to bonehead Miles self destruction.

Yet look back at late last year. There were all sorts of warning signs se players. Miles and his “cocktails”, LaMelo and multiple others proudly toking on camera, etc. Youngins were out of control. Bouk was already unraveling but we didn’t know it.

Pretty funny the number of people who claim that Bouk is a bust, horrible pick, "bad reach" yet you can still see the poll where 80% of the voters gave the pick an A or B.

[fatlever]

The list of bad picks and failures by this organization reveals a lot. It’s down right depressing when taken in bulk form. Bouknight was a bad reach by a staff unprepared to fully evaluate him as both player and person. Lack of talent kills an NBA team. Despite all that we had it building prior to bonehead Miles self destruction.

Yet look back at late last year. There were all sorts of warning signs se players. Miles and his “cocktails”, LaMelo and multiple others proudly toking on camera, etc. Youngins were out of control. Bouk was already unraveling but we didn’t know it.

Pretty funny the number of people who claim that Bouk is a bust, horrible pick, "bad reach" yet you can still see the poll where 80% of the voters gave the pick an A or B.

i gave it a D apparently. but yeah, our board always gets excited when we catch the falling knife.

[luciano-davidwesley]

The list of bad picks and failures by this organization reveals a lot. It’s down right depressing when taken in bulk form. Bouknight was a bad reach by a staff unprepared to fully evaluate him as both player and person. Lack of talent kills an NBA team. Despite all that we had it building prior to bonehead Miles self destruction.

Yet look back at late last year. There were all sorts of warning signs se players. Miles and his “cocktails”, LaMelo and multiple others proudly toking on camera, etc. Youngins were out of control. Bouk was already unraveling but we didn’t know it.

Pretty funny the number of people who claim that Bouk is a bust, horrible pick, "bad reach" yet you can still see the poll where 80% of the voters gave the pick an A or B.

I voted C or D if memory serves. But to be fair people are free to call him a bust and bad if the two years of evidence points to it being true.

Edit: I voted C

[Bassman]

The list of bad picks and failures by this organization reveals a lot. It’s down right depressing when taken in bulk form. Bouknight was a bad reach by a staff unprepared to fully evaluate him as both player and person. Lack of talent kills an NBA team. Despite all that we had it building prior to bonehead Miles self destruction.

Yet look back at late last year. There were all sorts of warning signs se players. Miles and his “cocktails”, LaMelo and multiple others proudly toking on camera, etc. Youngins were out of control. Bouk was already unraveling but we didn’t know it.

Pretty funny the number of people who claim that Bouk is a bust, horrible pick, "bad reach" yet you can still see the poll where 80% of the voters gave the pick an A or B.

Yeah, I was thrilled with getting a falling Bouk. Boy was I stupid. Then again, I don’t run a pro basketball organization with scouts and investigators who should know this s*#t about potential draft picks.

[NCHeels2008]

Yea I thought it was a good pick considering the spot and his purported potential. Not sure how people knew he had personal red flags, IIRC age and size were the two big concerns.

[SWedd523]

I loved the pick.

He's also a bust.

I don't see how they need to be mutually exclusive.

[Liver_Pooty]

Never really understood why people have to go back in time and see what was said about draft picks, etc. As if people can't change their mind or that players don't bust. Personally I've whiffed on over half the players we've selected.

[yosemiteben]

Never really understood why people have to go back in time and see what was said about draft picks, etc. As if people can't change their mind or that players don't bust. Personally I've whiffed on over half the players we've selected.

[fatlever]

Never really understood why people have to go back in time and see what was said about draft picks, etc. As if people can't change their mind or that players don't bust. Personally I've whiffed on over half the players we've selected.

what i think of a draft pick on draft night is pointless considering i dont watch college / hs basketball. i can make judgements based on need, player type and value based on projected mocks (aka falling knife syndrome)

i dont make my first impressions of players until summer league and preseason.

that being said, the player type of bouk vs need never made sense to me, which is why (predraft) i was leaning - sengun, moody, kispert (all 3 filled a need based on their play type). but i did get somewhat excited on draft night thinkng we stole a top 7 player, based on mocks.

all that to say, my first impression of bouk from summer league, seeing him actually play for the first time, was BAD, and has not changed since.

[Liver_Pooty]

Never really understood why people have to go back in time and see what was said about draft picks, etc. As if people can't change their mind or that players don't bust. Personally I've whiffed on over half the players we've selected.

what i think of a draft pick on draft night is pointless considering i dont watch college / hs basketball. i can make judgements based on need, player type and value based on projected mocks (aka falling knife syndrome)

i dont make my first impressions of players until summer league and preseason.

that being said, the player type of bouk vs need never made sense to me, which is why (predraft) i was leaning - sengun, moody, kispert (all 3 filled a need based on their play type). but i did get somewhat excited on draft night thinkng we stole a top 7 player, based on mocks.

all that to say, my first impression of bouk from summer league, seeing him actually play for the first time, was BAD, and has not changed since.

I always get suckered in on pre-draft workouts or even offseason workouts for that matter. Seeing players knock down 25 3s in a row, etc.

[Diop]

I always get suckered in on pre-draft workouts or even offseason workouts for that matter. Seeing players knock down 25 3s in a row, etc.

except for Biyombo's where he lost a game of 1 on 1 against a chair

[fatlever]

Cody Zeller just hit 21 of 25 from NBA 3. He's gonna be a legit stretch 4.

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[Liver_Pooty]

Cody Zeller just hit 21 of 25 from NBA 3. He's gonna be a legit stretch 4.

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Yeah that's why I'm hesitant on Mark shooting 3s. It's one thing nailing them in practice and another in game situations

[vorbis]

I was excited about Bouknight, despite also not being a college basketball watcher. and I'm also one who saw him debut in Summer League and got concerned almost immediately. the vibes were so bad. he's had glimpses here and there, but the bad vibes seem to have remained. he's got talent. it seems like something else is holding him back. definitely a bust as we stand today.

[JMAC3]

Can we talk about how Moses Moody can't beat out Anthony Lamb, Ty Jerome and Donte Divencenzo for minutes?

At what point is he not playing because Warriors are sooooo good (21-22) and maybe he just is meh....

[Liver_Pooty]

Can we talk about how Moses Moody can't beat out Anthony Lamb, Ty Jerome and Donte Divencenzo for minutes?

At what point is he not playing because Warriors are sooooo good (21-22) and maybe he just is meh....

Warriors are actually amazing at home. Just can't win on the road. Like, at all. Pretty mind boggling to be honest.

[JMAC3]

Can we talk about how Moses Moody can't beat out Anthony Lamb, Ty Jerome and Donte Divencenzo for minutes?

At what point is he not playing because Warriors are sooooo good (21-22) and maybe he just is meh....

Warriors are actually amazing at home. Just can't win on the road. Like, at all. Pretty mind boggling to be honest.

Still doesn't explain why Moody and Kuminga aren't playing more.

It would be if Thor, Dennis Smith and Maledon were playing over them. Not much different than Bouknight to be honest.

[yosemiteben]

Can we talk about how Moses Moody can't beat out Anthony Lamb, Ty Jerome and Donte Divencenzo for minutes?

Not sure why we'd do that in this thread?