The Bismack Biyombo Thread II

Post #581 » by **Diop** » Thu May 26, 2016 6:49 am

History lessons itt

TinmanZBoy · Post #582 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Thu May 26, 2016 6:58 am

Diop wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:DeSagana Diop... I spelt it without google
DJ Mbenga
Bismack Biyombo
Glad that Bismack does not follow the other two's roads

Starting centre for a finals team?

all were born in Africa, centers with unbelievable physical tools and athleticism...however, very raw in offensive skills... before this season, Biyomo looked like following the other two's roads, career was going downward with that untapped potential.... now Biyombo finally broke out in a big stage, he will at least be a nice rotation player in this league...

-Ian- · Post #583 » by **-Ian-** » Thu May 26, 2016 8:15 am

I wasn't able to watch the game. What happened to Biz? It seems like people have turned on him (again) quick. Lol.

Post #584 » by **Diop** » Thu May 26, 2016 8:24 am

TinmanZBoy wrote:
Diop wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:DeSagana Diop... I spelt it without google
DJ Mbenga
Bismack Biyombo
Glad that Bismack does not follow the other two's roads

Starting centre for a finals team?

all were born in Africa, centers with unbelievable physical tools and athleticism...however, very raw in offensive skills... before this season, Biyomo looked like following the other two's roads, career was going downward with that untapped potential.... now Biyombo finally broke out in a big stage, he will at least be a nice rotation player in this league...

Cool. Was just pointing out that the often mocked Diop did play an important role for Dallas as a starting centre in the NBA finals.

Flip Murray · Post #585 » by **Flip Murray** » Thu May 26, 2016 2:30 pm

Diop wrote:History lessons itt

its the offseason so its very hard to stay on topic. Boredom has fully set in at this point. I'm watching the freaking spelling bee right now for gods sake on ESPN2. The weirdness is so real and i'm really just watching hoping they screw up and cry

Post #586 » by **fatlever** » Thu May 26, 2016 3:33 pm

Diop wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:
Diop wrote:Starting centre for a finals team?

all were born in Africa, centers with unbelievable physical tools and athleticism...however, very raw in offensive skills... before this season, Biyomo looked like following the other two's roads, career was going downward with that untapped potential.... now Biyombo finally broke out in a big stage, he will at least be a nice rotation player in this league...

Cool. Was just pointing out that the often mocked Diop did play an important role for Dallas as a starting centre in the NBA finals.

and then got PAID and then our stupid coach Larry Brown traded for his awful contract and we felt so sorry for Diop due to his fatness and awfulness that he eventually became a mascot for Sachmo and Lamar.

TinmanZBoy · Post #587 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Thu May 26, 2016 4:25 pm

fatlever wrote:
Diop wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:
all were born in Africa, centers with unbelievable physical tools and athleticism...however, very raw in offensive skills... before this season, Biyomo looked like following the other two's roads, career was going downward with that untapped potential.... now Biyombo finally broke out in a big stage, he will at least be a nice rotation player in this league...

Cool. Was just pointing out that the often mocked Diop did play an important role for Dallas as a starting centre in the NBA finals.

and then got PAID and then our stupid coach Larry Brown traded for his awful contract and we felt so sorry for Diop due to his fatness and awfulness that he eventually became a mascot for Sachmo and Lamar.

also want to point out that DJ Mbenga had two rings with the lakers...

-Ian- · Post #588 » by **-Ian-** » Sat May 28, 2016 5:02 pm

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Post #589 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat May 28, 2016 5:19 pm

Biz might be able to start for a top tier offense with All NBA caliber players that also has versatile defenders - CLE, GSW, maybe OKC. If you don't have a Steph / Klay / Green, LeBron / Kyrie / Love, or KD / Westbrook, you aren't going to be able to make up for Biz's flaws when your shots aren't falling.

He better not try to take a big deal and go to a team that can not be an elite offense despite playing 4 on 5.

PG13 · Post #590 » by **PG13** » Sat May 28, 2016 6:25 pm

I like how there's an active Biz thread while all the Lin threads are locked.

Post #591 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat May 28, 2016 6:41 pm

PG13 wrote:I like how there's an active Biz thread while all the Lin threads are locked.

The difference being Lin has not played in Charlotte for 4 seasons, and discussions about Biz are largely limited to folks who have an independent interest in our team. If a bunch of Biz only fans that only started posting this season were going crazy in this thread and having similar discussions as were happening in the Lin thread, we'd close this one up too.

rallydurham · Post #592 » by **rallydurham** » Tue May 31, 2016 10:03 am

I can't believe people are thinking he will get a 3/$60 type deal. I mean good grief how did we not think he was worth $5-$6?!

BeesWax · Post #593 » by **BeesWax** » Tue May 31, 2016 12:45 pm

rallydurham wrote:I can't believe people are thinking he will get a 3/$60 type deal. I mean good grief how did we not think he was worth $5-$6?!

Because he can't create offense by himself our coach had zero clue how to use him. He like some people on here thought it was like playing 4-5 on offense because they forget there is more to that end than having that player put the ball in the basket.

Post #594 » by **yosemiteben** » Tue May 31, 2016 12:56 pm

jdm3 wrote:
rallydurham wrote:I can't believe people are thinking he will get a 3/$60 type deal. I mean good grief how did we not think he was worth $5-$6?!

Because he can't create offense by himself our coach had zero clue how to use him. He like some people on here thought it was like playing 4-5 on offense because they forget there is more to that end than having that player put the ball in the basket.

Biz can't pass, shoot, or dribble. He can set screens and when engaged occasionally grabs offensive rebounds. If your shooters are missing shots he is an anchor on your offense. Just look at TOR's playoff performance with Biz starting. Killed it when Lowry and DeRozan were draining shots, blown out when they weren't. He puts pressure on your primary scorers because all he can do is screen but he doesn't really need to be respected on the roll because he struggles to catch the ball on the move.

Post #595 » by **JDR720** » Tue May 31, 2016 1:01 pm

its only 4 on 5 offense if you cant figure out how to use a player. Biz isn't a scorer but he is an excellent offensive rebounder and screener while shooting a high % and a decent enough FT shooter. he can help your offense if you use him right, not all 5 players need to be scorers there is only 1 ball.

only a few teams actually have an elite offense, probably 3-5 teams each season.

rallydurham · Post #596 » by **rallydurham** » Tue May 31, 2016 1:06 pm

I'm well aware he has limitations and I certainly wouldn't recommend giving him $20m/yr. But we could have signed him to a reasonable deal and he woulda had trade value.

I don't quite get the logic behind drafting him as a project and wasting all those years... then when he develops about as well as we could have possibly hoped get rid of him. Kawhi was the pick. Still can't believe we passed him up. Guy had a 25% oreb percentage in college. No way we could have known hed develop this much offensive game but he was clearly a reb/def beast

Post #597 » by **JDR720** » Tue May 31, 2016 1:24 pm

Biz can't pass, shoot, or dribble.

most centers cant pass, shoot or dribble.

If your shooters are missing shots he is an anchor on your offense.

how? his role is to play defense and rebound. anchoring your offense with centers isn't efficient. there is a reason why the centers on the best teams are defenders/rebounders usually.

Just look at TOR's playoff performance with Biz starting. Killed it when Lowry and DeRozan were draining shots, blown out when they weren't.

obviously when a teams two best players aren't playing well you will probably get blown out in the playoffs. like we did vs Miami a few times. in the 2 games they won vs CLE Biz had 40 rebounds. he played a key role in each series.

He puts pressure on your primary scorers because all he can do is screen but he doesn't really need to be respected on the roll because he struggles to catch the ball on the move.

the other team still needs to guard him because of the lob threat and offensive rebounding.

Post #598 » by **Diop** » Tue May 31, 2016 2:06 pm

i dont think i would have been overly happy paying him 12 mill a year, sounds like he's getting more than that

im sorta glad we dont have that dilemma

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #599 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Tue May 31, 2016 2:25 pm

Biz probably wouldn't have gotten either the playing time or exposure here that he got in Toronto. Because of that he would have been looking at less $$ and would not have been a good trade asset.

BeesWax · Post #600 » by **BeesWax** » Tue May 31, 2016 5:49 pm

JDR720 wrote:its only 4 on 5 offense if you cant figure out how to use a player. Biz isn't a scorer but he is an excellent offensive rebounder and screener while shooting a high % and a decent enough FT shooter. he can help your offense if you use him right, not all 5 players need to be scorers there is only 1 ball.

only a few teams actually have an elite offense, probably 3-5 teams each season.

100% agree.

He was 4 on 5 here because out coach is worthless on offense in terms of adapting to players. Also as much as people liked to bang on his hands I saw Cody bobble a lot of the rocket passes down low this year. I am starting to think some of this is on the guards with the low passes. When you lob for Biz and Cody they are money. I have seen people hype Ezeli, who I also like, and put down Biz when in reality they are almost the same guy. If you want to say we can't use a player like this because our coach is clueless I am fine with it but don't act like he is worthless on one end when it isn't his fault he was used so terribly.

Biz was not going to be Al but he provided way more on offense than Al even attempted to provide on defense.